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Jul Nantu	Posted - 2005.06.02 09:34:00 - [1] Beware of Lallante and her gank squad in Yulai. They're waiting for people with expensive stuff to leave the station. They sacrifice a ship and have friends come and scoop up the stuff that spills out. My indy was heavily tanked, sheild booster, amp, etc. I was in a 1.0 system. I thought I was safe. Lost 250M worth of stuff to that scum. I asked in a dev chat more than a year ago, when this happened to me before, "What is the defense against this?" No clear answer. There is NO defense. Even a 26M skillpoint player like myself can't escape it... so I can't imagine anyone else can survive either. So my question to everyone is this: Why keep playing? There's no reason to accumulate anything because it will just be taken away. There's no defence for what they are doing. They're getting their jollies by preying on players in defenseless positions with no way to protect themselves. There's no sense in this. There's no joy in this. The game is horribly broken in my opinion. WTF.
Gan Howorth	Posted - 2005.06.02 09:37:00 - [2] You not using a transport ship? I use the non blockade runner transport class for all expensive cargo's in empire regardless of sec.
Typherin laidai	Posted - 2005.06.02 09:38:00 - [3] Rofl cry me a river. Lallante & co isnt breaking any rules If you have Expensive goods take them in something a bit more gank proof than an Indy. if its large m3 of stuff set a mission up for it with a high collatarol(sp) if you say theres no joy in the game becuase someone ganked your industrial....... Typherin LaiDai Typherin LaiDai Care Negotitations Expert level 5 'Give me a position of power and I'l abuse it in an instant'
Reptar	Posted - 2005.06.02 09:42:00 - [4] Originally by: Jul Nantu There's no reason to accumulate anything because it will just be taken away. There's no defence for what they are doing. They're getting their jollies by preying on players in defenseless positions with no way to protect themselves. There's no sense in this. There's no joy in this. The game is horribly broken in my opinion. WTF. Chill, relax, and dont make the same mistake. You are never safe.
Typherin laidai	Posted - 2005.06.02 09:45:00 - [5] I dont see the point in a whine thread over someone losing an industrial Typherin LaiDai Typherin LaiDai Care Negotitations Expert level 5 'Give me a position of power and I'l abuse it in an instant'
Emno	Posted - 2005.06.02 09:48:00 - [6] Originally by: Jul Nantu My indy was heavily tanked, sheild booster, amp, etc. sorry but Victim: Jul Nantu Alliance: Unknown Corporation: XenTech Destroyed Type: Sigil Solar System: Yulai System Security Level: 1.0 Type: Small Shield Booster I (Fitted - Medium slot) Type: Type-E Altered SS Expanded Cargo (Fitted - Low slot) Type: 10MN Afterburner II (Fitted - Medium slot) Type: Improved Cloaking Device II (Fitted - High slot) Type: Overdrive Injector System I (Fitted - Low slot) That is NOT a heavy shield tank There is in game defense for this (transport ships) using a 500k ship to haul 250mil of stuff is not wise at least use a 50 mil ship that can tank a couple of caracals...
Jul Nantu	Posted - 2005.06.02 09:49:00 - [7] Just to be clear, I'm not saying that pirating is bad. I have always believed that it plays an important part of the game. What I'm saying is that there is something out of balance here. There's a tremendous advantage that they have ... they risk a little criuser and get hundreds of millions of ISK in return. If no place is safe, then commerce is dead in my opinion. There's no way to efficiently get large quantities of expensive stuff from Yulai to where it needs to be. Try moving large quantities of Cloaking Devices around. It's not fun and not practical to use any ship other than an Indy.
Gamer4liff	Posted - 2005.06.02 09:53:00 - [8] shouldve used an interceptor and made multiple trips. =P eve is a very dangerous game, we must adapt to the ways of the greiferus maximus. and you think youve had some expensive losses... I lost my first apoc to a corpmate who betrayed me (uninsured ) i lost a megathron 4 hours after insurance expired. 4 HOURS. this here's mah sig': My Quote: "You can call me a carebear all you want, but your still an arrogant slimeball"
Typherin laidai	Posted - 2005.06.02 09:54:00 - [9] Originally by: Jul Nantu Just to be clear, I'm not saying that pirating is bad. I have always believed that it plays an important part of the game. What I'm saying is that there is something out of balance here. There's a tremendous advantage that they have ... they risk a little criuser and get hundreds of millions of ISK in return. If no place is safe, then commerce is dead in my opinion. There's no way to efficiently get large quantities of expensive stuff from Yulai to where it needs to be. Try moving large quantities of Cloaking Devices around. It's not fun and not practical to use any ship other than an Indy. So youd like a risk free proffesion yeah ? Typherin Typherin LaiDai Care Negotitations Expert level 5 'Give me a position of power and I'l abuse it in an instant'
Rover Vitesse	Posted - 2005.06.02 09:58:00 - [10] Originally by: Typherin laidai I dont see the point in a whine thread over someone losing an industrial Typherin LaiDai And btw.. If your going to Moderate my posts can you please leave a note saying you have !!! Ok, so dont read the thread, and don't bump it, because you, Sir, are on target for Troll of the Year award.
Jul Nantu	Posted - 2005.06.02 09:59:00 - [11] Originally by: Emno sorry but [:lol: Victim: Jul Nantu Alliance: Unknown Corporation: XenTech Destroyed Type: Sigil Solar System: Yulai System Security Level: 1.0 Type: Small Shield Booster I (Fitted - Medium slot) Type: Type-E Altered SS Expanded Cargo (Fitted - Low slot) Type: 10MN Afterburner II (Fitted - Medium slot) Type: Improved Cloaking Device II (Fitted - High slot) Type: Overdrive Injector System I (Fitted - Low slot) That is NOT a heavy shield tank There is in game defense for this (transport ships) using a 500k ship to haul 250mil of stuff is not wise at least use a 50 mil ship that can tank a couple of caracals... Ok, so it wasn't uber. :( Actually, thanks for the tip on the transport ship. I've never used them before so I didn't even think about trying one out.
Gamer4liff	Posted - 2005.06.02 10:00:00 - [12] Originally by: Rover Vitesse Originally by: Typherin laidai I dont see the point in a whine thread over someone losing an industrial Typherin LaiDai And btw.. If your going to Moderate my posts can you please leave a note saying you have !!! Ok, so dont read the thread, and don't bump it, because you, Sir, are on target for Troll of the Year award. I second this nomination this here's mah sig': My Quote: "You can call me a carebear all you want, but your still an arrogant slimeball"
Typherin laidai	Posted - 2005.06.02 10:03:00 - [13] Originally by: Gamer4liff Originally by: Rover Vitesse Originally by: Typherin laidai I dont see the point in a whine thread over someone losing an industrial Typherin LaiDai And btw.. If your going to Moderate my posts can you please leave a note saying you have !!! Ok, so dont read the thread, and don't bump it, because you, Sir, are on target for Troll of the Year award. I second this nomination Hell yeah Il be here all day ladies and gents. And I still maintain a justified flame. so he lost a Hauler under perfectly legitamate game mechanics ? ummmm..... Oh I know... lets go on the forums and post a "game is broke" thread Typherin Typherin LaiDai Care Negotitations Expert level 5 'Give me a position of power and I'l abuse it in an instant'
Rover Vitesse	Posted - 2005.06.02 10:08:00 - [14] Okay then, instead of acting like a spoilt child with the big "cry me a river" talk, why not try to explain a) why these are legitimate tactics, and then b) how he may take steps to prevent it happening. This is a discussion forum, not a playground to throw insults and smart-alec comments. If you can't discuss anything, then sit back, think about what you are about to type, and when you have something worthwhile to say, then post. If you can't, my best advice is to unplug your keyboard.
Jul Nantu	Posted - 2005.06.02 10:11:00 - [15] Maybe no game rules were broken, but I still believe that something is wrong. As was pointed out earlier, getting a more expensive ship and better mods would help, but it's not going to guarantee that it won't happen again. My argument is that there has to be a place in EVE where it is predominately safe. You have to have stability to foster commerce and a good economy. Without some stable place, I think everyone will either leave or turn pirate too.
Typherin laidai	Posted - 2005.06.02 10:12:00 - [16] Originally by: Rover Vitesse Okay then, instead of acting like a spoilt child with the big "cry me a river" talk, why not try to explain a) why these are legitimate tactics, and then b) how he may take steps to prevent it happening. This is a discussion forum, not a playground to throw insults and smart-alec comments. If you can't discuss anything, then sit back, think about what you are about to type, and when you have something worthwhile to say, then post. If you can't, my best advice is to unplug your keyboard. I believe I did give advice actually... If you read the above. As to it being a valid tactic ? why wouldn't it be ? CCP does not state you cannot fire on someone in 0.5 - 1.0 .. they simply state you WILL lose your ship to concord. If someone is prepared to lose their ship AND take the sec hit (ie. recycling is lame & bannable) then fair play to them. they obviously scanned this guy 1st to check his cargo (or theyre just killing everyone who knows) and decided it was worth it. I see no problem in that tactic ? and if you can point out to me how its NOT a valid game tactic I will happily stop posting Typherin Typherin LaiDai Care Negotitations Expert level 5 'Give me a position of power and I'l abuse it in an instant'
Gerome Doutrande	Posted - 2005.06.02 10:16:00 - [17] it is a totally valid tactic currently. whether it should be possible (considering risk taken versus reward) is a different question, but i am pretty sure this post is going to be far too flametastic to discuss anything in a worthwhile fashion.
Embattle	Posted - 2005.06.02 10:17:00 - [18] Unless they were using alts I would say that its an acceptable evil of the game. Your Miner II perfectly blows up in its mount, wrecking for 900000000 damage.
R1ck james	Posted - 2005.06.02 10:17:00 - [19] Originally by: Jul Nantu Maybe no game rules were broken, but I still believe that something is wrong. As was pointed out earlier, getting a more expensive ship and better mods would help, but it's not going to guarantee that it won't happen again. My argument is that there has to be a place in EVE where it is predominately safe. You have to have stability to foster commerce and a good economy. Without some stable place, I think everyone will either leave or turn pirate too. yarr
Rover Vitesse	Posted - 2005.06.02 10:18:00 - [20] Originally by: Typherin laidai Originally by: Rover Vitesse Okay then, instead of acting like a spoilt child with the big "cry me a river" talk, why not try to explain a) why these are legitimate tactics, and then b) how he may take steps to prevent it happening. This is a discussion forum, not a playground to throw insults and smart-alec comments. If you can't discuss anything, then sit back, think about what you are about to type, and when you have something worthwhile to say, then post. If you can't, my best advice is to unplug your keyboard. I believe I did give advice actually... If you read the above. As to it being a valid tactic ? why wouldn't it be ? CCP does not state you cannot fire on someone in 0.5 - 1.0 .. they simply state you WILL lose your ship to concord. If someone is prepared to lose their ship AND take the sec hit (ie. recycling is lame & bannable) then fair play to them. they obviously scanned this guy 1st to check his cargo (or theyre just killing everyone who knows) and decided it was worth it. I see no problem in that tactic ? and if you can point out to me how its NOT a valid game tactic I will happily stop posting Typherin Ok, for the hard of reading, I have highlight a sentence. How can you misconstrue that as me saying NOT a valid tactic. Unfortunately, the speed of the internet makes it all too easy for people to communicate before they have actually thought about what they are going to say. I get the impression you are the type of person who tries to pick a fight in an empty room. This thread is so hijacked it should be flown to Cuba, I apologise to all readers who wished to learn something about high-sec ganking and how to prevent it or do it.
Gerome Doutrande	Posted - 2005.06.02 10:21:00 - [21] it is legitimate because they pay the price for their actions as implemented in the game. they a) loose the ship to concord, and b) take a security hit. hence it is legitimate.
Matthew	Posted - 2005.06.02 10:22:00 - [22] Originally by: Typherin laidai they obviously scanned this guy 1st to check his cargo (or theyre just killing everyone who knows) and decided it was worth it. Here's a question related to this - can the cargo scanner see inside containers in your hold?
Gerome Doutrande	Posted - 2005.06.02 10:30:00 - [23] Originally by: Matthew Here's a question related to this - can the cargo scanner see inside containers in your hold? yes it can, into all types of containers.
Matthew	Posted - 2005.06.02 10:33:00 - [24] Originally by: Gerome Doutrande Originally by: Matthew Here's a question related to this - can the cargo scanner see inside containers in your hold? yes it can, into all types of containers. Darn, there goes one cunning plan I knew the customs officers could penetrate continers, but didn't think the player scanners did.
Eris Discordia	Posted - 2005.06.02 10:39:00 - [25] When they do not recycle the suicide characters I dont think it's against the regulations. I'll see if I can get soe more information on it though. I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage Mail [email protected] if you have any questions.
Shayla Sh'inlux	Posted - 2005.06.02 11:07:00 - [26] This has never happened to me, but I still think it's fairly stupid. Some player whines about pirates camping gates in 0.4. Said pirates tell them to stfu and stay in Yulai mining Veldspar. Said player has chosen a life as a producer, accepts the fact that insecure space is, in fact, insecure, and stays in the safest space possible, just as the pirates tell him to do. Said character is transporting stuff through frigging YULAI, the HOME system of Concord and gets ganked by a bunch of lame pirates using suicide tactics to kill an indy containing half of this character's fortune. Yes the hell he has the right to complain. Insecure space isn't insecure for nothing, pirates tell us. Well guess what then, SECURE space isn't 1.0 for nothing. Get your lame behind out to a real system and stop ganking the carebears. Go fight someone of your own size. ------------------------------------------------------- "Do you really think that's air you're breathing?"
Monkey Time	Posted - 2005.06.02 11:08:00 - [27] As far as i know they were using their main characters. You lose your ship and get the security hit, but sometimes its worth it.
Kade Shaderow	Posted - 2005.06.02 11:12:00 - [28] Edited by: Kade Shaderow on 02/06/2005 11:12:31 Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux Said character is transporting stuff through frigging YULAI, the HOME system of Concord and gets ganked by a bunch of lame pirates using suicide tactics to kill an indy containing half of this character's fortune. Yes the hell he has the right to complain. Insecure space isn't insecure for nothing, pirates tell us. Well guess what then, SECURE space isn't 1.0 for nothing. Get your lame behind out to a real system and stop ganking the carebears. I'm going to post this in really bold font for you because it's amazing to me you haven't read it already. I want you to read it, ok? I'm serious. Read it. Quote: Don't expect CONCORD to keep you immune to attacks or ship losses. Like in the real world, law enforcers often arrive too late at the scene of the crime, and even though they able to punish the criminal, they can't always prevent the crime.
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2005.06.02 11:13:00 - [29] I'm not going to say that it's right or wrong or whatever. But they are nto doing the game a favour here, if that might be what they are thinking of. _______________________________________________ Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know. Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online Solutions to your issues.
Typherin laidai	Posted - 2005.06.02 11:13:00 - [30] Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux This has never happened to me, but I still think it's fairly stupid. Some player whines about pirates camping gates in 0.4. Said pirates tell them to stfu and stay in Yulai mining Veldspar. Said player has chosen a life as a producer, accepts the fact that insecure space is, in fact, insecure, and stays in the safest space possible, just as the pirates tell him to do. Said character is transporting stuff through frigging YULAI, the HOME system of Concord and gets ganked by a bunch of lame pirates using suicide tactics to kill an indy containing half of this character's fortune. Yes the hell he has the right to complain. Insecure space isn't insecure for nothing, pirates tell us. Well guess what then, SECURE space isn't 1.0 for nothing. Get your lame behind out to a real system and stop ganking the carebears. Go fight someone of your own size. If someone offered you 250mill on a plate and said all you had to do was take a loss of 5mill and small sec hit would you take it ? Typherin LaiDai Typherin LaiDai Care Negotitations Expert level 5 'Give me a position of power and I'l abuse it in an instant'

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