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Lady Katherine Devonshire
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
105
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Posted - 2012.12.28 03:34:00 -
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A conspiracy implies that there is something secretive going on.
The CSM list is no secret. As expected, they operate to represent the interests of their chosen alliances.
These being:
Against All Authorities - nullsec alliance xXLegion of DeathXx - nullsec alliance Test Alliance Please Ignore - nullsec alliance The Honda Accord - nullsec alliance Dirt Nap Squad - nullsec alliance Brick Squad - nullsec alliance Pandemic Legion - nullsec merc group Noir Mercenary Group - take a guess Late Night Alliance - FW themed alliance Ivy League - mostly hisec, devoted interested in helping new players K162 Alliance - ??? Rooks & Kings - ???
And there you have it. Thirteen players, equally & equitably divided with seven people clearly representing only nullsec interests, five who probably do the same and one who does not.
With that in mind the word "conspiracy" seems a bit melodramatic, would you not say? After all, this is all public information, free for anyone to see and their goals should be obvious to anyone with two brain cells to rub together. So no, there is no conspiracy or hidden agenda. Rather, there is a very open & obvious agenda that is not in any way hidden from anyone.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2455
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Posted - 2012.12.28 03:39:00 -
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iskflakes wrote:There is at least one example of CCP directly helping a particular player group, BOB.
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The other major example of CCP directly influencing player politics occurred during the war between Goons and Raiden. Goons were losing the war and their members were getting angry, so CCP devs fast-tracked nerfs to make sure goons won, as they were afraid of losing subscriptions. Raiden is now a husk of an alliance that rents from HBC or something like that, and goons continue to keep a large base of active subscriptions to threaten CCP with should they ever start losing again.. Good job.
Everyone sees what happened as long as they have some comprehension ability. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

iskflakes
Magnets Inc.
196
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Posted - 2012.12.28 03:41:00 -
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Lady Katherine Devonshire wrote:And there you have it. Thirteen players, equally & equitably divided with seven people clearly representing only nullsec interests, five who probably do the same and one who does not.
This is despite highsec having 10x the voting power of nullsec entities. They don't vote, but then complain that they aren't represented.. can somebody explain this to me? Track your wealth with EVEStats - https://ohheck.co.uk/EVEStats/home.php |

iskflakes
Magnets Inc.
196
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Posted - 2012.12.28 03:44:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:
Everyone sees what happened as long as they have some comprehension ability.
Indeed. Goons are losing the war. Goon CEO (also chairman of the CSM) complains VERY loudly to CCP about titans (Raiden). Goon CEO threatens to tell his members to unsubscribe some accounts if nothing is done. CCP respond immediately with an excessive titan nerf. Raiden folds days later. That is literally what happened. Track your wealth with EVEStats - https://ohheck.co.uk/EVEStats/home.php |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2455
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Posted - 2012.12.28 03:44:00 -
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iskflakes wrote:Lady Katherine Devonshire wrote:And there you have it. Thirteen players, equally & equitably divided with seven people clearly representing only nullsec interests, five who probably do the same and one who does not. This is despite highsec having 10x the voting power of nullsec entities. They don't vote, but then complain that they aren't represented.. can somebody explain this to me? Because evil blobbers only fight when they have a larger blob.
Uh wait. Hmm Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Lady Katherine Devonshire
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
105
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Posted - 2012.12.28 03:51:00 -
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iskflakes wrote:This is despite highsec having 10x the voting power of nullsec entities. They don't vote, but then complain that they aren't represented.. can somebody explain this to me?
This I cannot explain.
However, I would theorize that since hisec is made up of many individuals operating either solo or in (relatively) smaller companies, that getting them to line up into a voting block is akin to the proverbial metaphor of "herding cats." Meanwhile, the feudal nature of nullsec and it's alliance structure creates larger effective voting blocks. In short, when the Mittani says "Make this guy into a CSM" then that guy gets 100% of the Goonswarm vote. Hisec lacks that sense of unity. But then, maybe that's what we like about it? More variety? Or simply more freedom?
Again, this is just a theory. I am not a political science major. EvE Forum Bingo |

Jamyl Khanid
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2012.12.28 04:03:00 -
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Nerath Naaris wrote:Fact is, Goonswarm is actually an FBI/CIA-front.
I have that from a trustworthy source that obviously cannot be named, but if you think about it, it makes perfect sense!
When Glenn Beck begins to make sense to you, peeing in to a plug in is your only hope and I don't mean the small ones you plug the lamp in to either. That big one you plug the stove in to. Line it up and close your eyes. |

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Air The Unthinkables
2255
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Posted - 2012.12.28 04:07:00 -
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burn jita was an inside job |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2455
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Posted - 2012.12.28 04:08:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:burn jita was an inside job I saw them undocking from Jita 4-4, it makes perfect sense. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Bane Necran
Appono Astos
1246
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Posted - 2012.12.28 04:12:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:burn jita was an inside job
Clearly.
Freighter 7 exploded without even someone shooting it, and there were reports saying it exploded before it actually did. "The nice thing about quotes is that they give us a nodding acquaintance with the originator which is often socially impressive." ~Kenneth Williams |

Flurk Hellbron
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
224
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Posted - 2012.12.28 04:12:00 -
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I wonder where these 'conspiracy theory' types come from?
The Dark side |

Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
215
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Posted - 2012.12.28 04:29:00 -
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Brain cancer. |

SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1207
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Posted - 2012.12.28 04:33:00 -
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In Eve sometimes the conspiracies are a real thing. Some are just overactive imaginations. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2455
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Posted - 2012.12.28 04:44:00 -
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SmilingVagrant wrote:In Eve sometimes the conspiracies are a real thing. Some are just overactive imaginations. We're legit though. Turn around, you might be surprised. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1207
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Posted - 2012.12.28 04:48:00 -
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Don't do that to me, I've been hanging out with the topgoon stoners for the last two hours and I think I got a contact high through mumble. |

Sentamon
509
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Posted - 2012.12.28 15:13:00 -
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Here's a cool trick if you want to pass off a massive pile of BS on people.
Accuse of anyone that doesn't buy it of being a "conspiracy theorist".
Works just about every time, and is considerably more effective then calling them a communist, stupid, or just laughing like an idiot. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |

Merouk Baas
307
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Posted - 2012.12.28 15:26:00 -
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Conspiracy theory types come from mommies and daddies who love each other very much. Just like everyone else. |

jason hill
The Riot Formation Unclaimed.
142
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Posted - 2012.12.28 15:29:00 -
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Miri Amatonur wrote:Well some employees of CCP come from the game and large alliances. There has been the case of t20 and BoB. Some basic information about their "internal security" can be found here: old EVE forum
it goes back waaaaaay before the T20 incident .... who remembers the Miner2 lasers incident ???? 
awwww such happy friendly days back then   |

Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
944
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Posted - 2012.12.28 15:44:00 -
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Vaju Enki wrote:9/11 has an insect job. Or at least done with the knowledge from the establishement  |

Jame Jarl Retief
Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy
836
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Posted - 2012.12.28 17:26:00 -
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Doesn't CCP have a history of their staff "misbehaving" in the past? I seem to remember reading about at least two separate events that raised many eyebrows, and one of those I think was even proven true? If so, that's where conspiracy theories come from - there's precedent. If it happened before, who is to say it won't happen again, or isn't happening now?
And this is true for many MMOs. I can give you an example from my days in another MMO. The player cities were won and lost by sieges in that game (FFA PvP, player loot, etc.). Well, our guild's city was sieged. We won, that is successfully repelled the enemy. But instead of keeping our city, we lost it. And we gained the attackers' hamlet, which can only happen if we won, in which case we should not have lost our own town! See the problem? We contacted the devs. They said too bad, so sad. Why? Because none of us were buddy-buddy with them.
A few weeks later, the guild they were buddy-buddy with, and several devs were reportedly members of, was attacked. Overwhelming odds against them, with multiple guilds (including ours). They were defeated and lost their town fair and square. What happened? Devs said it didn't count, because there was an issue, and flipped the ownership back to their buddies.
So, in our case, there was an obvious breakdown in game mechanics, but nothing was reversed. In case of their buddies' guild, there was nothing broken (visibly), the siege went by the book, and the results were overturned. Suspicious? You betcha. Proof-positive of anything? No. But that didn't stop a lot of us (myself included) from quitting the game, because there was little point in doing anything if all your actions against a specific group would be reversed immediately. And there were quite a few conspiracy theories flying around. But as far as we were concerned, since we actually saw it happen with our own eyes, it wasn't a theory, it was fact. Nothing we could prove, but it was good enough for us.
So, since then I've always looked at any potential conspiracy theories with a little more interest. Simply because if they can happen in at least two MMOs that I played, they can happen in any other just as easily. |

Frostys Virpio
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
180
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Posted - 2012.12.28 17:37:00 -
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CCP is currently planning to reduce the cost of ships so ganking Mackinaw can be profitable again. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2554
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Posted - 2012.12.28 17:43:00 -
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Jame Jarl Retief wrote:I can also pose you a hypothetical question. Consider the following, 100% fictional, scenario from a nonexistent MMO: Suppose you're a developer running an MMO. And a single guild holds 50% of the subscriptions. Now, this doesn't mean 50% of the players, the guild is only 15% (or so) of the total player base. But because they each hold many accounts, the guild de-facto accounts for 50% of your revenue. Now, suppose the leader of that guild is displeased with whatever you're doing, and wants you to do something else. If you don't, the guild leader threatens to get all of his underlings to close their accounts. Even with just 50% compliance rate, that means your revenue will drop by 25%. Now, you can call his bluff. But what if this leader's compliance rate is closer to 100%, and he can keep his horde unsubscribed for 3+ months? Can you handle a sudden 50% revenue drop for an entire quarter? Are your profit margins strong enough to pull through it? Think about that one. Can you ban this leader? Sure, but aside from a possible backlash, his replacement would move up from the ranks, and present you with the same dilemma. Can you ban the entire group? And lose 50% revenue? Not bloody likely. So, pop quiz, hotshot - what do you do? What DO you do?  Worse yet, if the leader doesn't log in anyway and has a fancy news website and Jabber. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

YoYo NickyYo
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
342
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Posted - 2012.12.28 18:35:00 -
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BOB is the "well known" CCP employee getting caught cheating.
No reason to assume that CCP wouldn't give one side a hand, if they thought it would help the game overall. This is a business, if they saw fit to bump the game in a new direction through power manipulation, I don't think they would hesitate at all. This is of course assuming they actually know what direction they are going.....
It wouldn't even have to be direct manipulation, it could be something subtle, like say a Moon goo re-balance gone wrong. They set out with the stated purpose of bringing a bit more balance to moon mining, and it backfires completely, concentrating all the wealth in one medium set of moons. All it would take is a tip to a few of the right players, and voila, someone gets a headstart. Incompetence? Perhaps not....
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Darius Brinn
Iberians Iberians.
160
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Posted - 2012.12.28 19:12:00 -
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iskflakes wrote:Lady Katherine Devonshire wrote:And there you have it. Thirteen players, equally & equitably divided with seven people clearly representing only nullsec interests, five who probably do the same and one who does not. This is despite highsec having 10x the voting power of nullsec entities. They don't vote, but then complain that they aren't represented.. can somebody explain this to me?
Nullsec lemmings vote en masse, and they vote for whoever they are told.
High sec entities are not usually that big, so the combined votes of one or two coallitions with 3K members can steer any election.
When The Mittani got to be Chairman, the second most voted one got barely over 4.000 votes, and two got into the CSM with less than 2.500 votes. Null alliances get better representation because they are bigger and they tell their members to vote for the leadership. Quite simple. |

Darius Brinn
Iberians Iberians.
160
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Posted - 2012.12.28 19:16:00 -
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jason hill wrote:Miri Amatonur wrote:Well some employees of CCP come from the game and large alliances. There has been the case of t20 and BoB. Some basic information about their "internal security" can be found here: old EVE forum it goes back waaaaaay before the T20 incident .... who remembers the Miner2 lasers incident ????  awwww such happy friendly days back then  
Taggart got a mining laser II BPO and some Jovian mining lasers or something.
CCP employees sure get emotionally involved in the game. It has happened at least twice that they gave stuff to favour players over others.
Conspiracies are absolutely justified at this point. |

Remiel Pollard
Aliastra Gallente Federation
812
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Posted - 2012.12.28 19:23:00 -
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Cyrvys en Distel wrote:Although this will most likely start some sort of flame war, that isn't my intention, really.
Anyways, I wonder why everytime there is some major group, everyone assumes CCP is in some sort of secret alliance with them? I hear alot more these days about CCP-Goon, back in the day it was CCP-BoB, sometimes seemingly founded, sometimes seemingly not. But why does everyone assume any Alliance or Group doing good and going strong must be in collusion with CCP, like some sort of Illuminati conspiracy? Is it just nature to assume that someone doing good must be getting help from on-high?
Mostly... because it's happened before. That one incident, however, doesn't instantly verify every single conspiracy theory out there, but it certainly helped fuel the paranoia. And it didn't help CCP's image none, either.
However, I'm sure they're keeping much closer tabs on their GMs these days, but no one can ever be certain of their transparency. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |

Remiel Pollard
Aliastra Gallente Federation
812
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Posted - 2012.12.28 19:24:00 -
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Darius Brinn wrote:jason hill wrote:Miri Amatonur wrote:Well some employees of CCP come from the game and large alliances. There has been the case of t20 and BoB. Some basic information about their "internal security" can be found here: old EVE forum it goes back waaaaaay before the T20 incident .... who remembers the Miner2 lasers incident ????  awwww such happy friendly days back then   Taggart got a mining laser II BPO and some Jovian mining lasers or something. CCP employees sure get emotionally involved in the game. It has happened at least twice that they gave stuff to favour players over others. Conspiracies are absolutely justified at this point.
Only when there's evidence. Without evidence, it's still just a hypothesis... it doesn't even really deserve the term "theory". It's one thing to hypothesize, it's another to be angry and paranoid all the time. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |

Bud Austrene
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.12.28 19:35:00 -
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For CCP to use players to manipulate the game is just good business. That way they can change parts of the game with out being accountable. That allows for more extreme experimentation in search of what people like and will pay for.
Besides half the fun of having power is to abuse it. Yes I am an alt. I see no reason to make it easy for bullies and greifers |

jason hill
The Riot Formation Unclaimed.
150
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Posted - 2012.12.28 19:35:00 -
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Darius Brinn wrote:jason hill wrote:Miri Amatonur wrote:Well some employees of CCP come from the game and large alliances. There has been the case of t20 and BoB. Some basic information about their "internal security" can be found here: old EVE forum it goes back waaaaaay before the T20 incident .... who remembers the Miner2 lasers incident ????  awwww such happy friendly days back then   Taggart got a mining laser II BPO and some Jovian mining lasers or something. CCP employees sure get emotionally involved in the game. It has happened at least twice that they gave stuff to favour players over others. Conspiracies are absolutely justified at this point.
ahhh that was it the beloved taggart transdimentional ... the were a good crew ...back in the day .... lol i remember the public apology ...lol we all had a laugh ... summat on the lines off " honest guv ..i really didnt know what it was or how it would affect the game ...or who would benefit from it " howls of laughter were had by all ....NOT ...talk about a bloody game breaker |

stoicfaux
1949
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Posted - 2012.12.28 19:43:00 -
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The larger the number of people (players and devs) involved, the more the population mimics real life populations.
So are we talking about crazy conspiracy theories, or unproven accusations of corruption, abuse of power, favoritism, cronyism, unhealthy obsessions, egotism, money, vendettas, personalities, emotional investments, character assassinations, and other human conditions that carry the polite moniker of "politics" instead of disparaging term "conspiracy theory?"
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