1. Well lets see, they've broken ganking. Try using ewar on someone with full hate in a complex. Really go on, try it.

2. Drone boats are pretty much useless. Target paint all you want, won't fix the initial problem of isk was hard enough to make with the complex nerfing and every which way they have nerfed ways to make isk. Now its just flat out ridiculous.

3. Get turrets? Right, get turrets. That makes sense, missiles and turrets should be the only way to rat right?

Wonder how many more posts it will take until CCP responses and says "Welp we messed up...fix it for ya in a year or so."

1. Well lets see, they've broken ganking. Try using ewar on someone with full hate in a complex. Really go on, try it.

2. Drone boats are pretty much useless. Target paint all you want, won't fix the initial problem of isk was hard enough to make with the complex nerfing and every which way they have nerfed ways to make isk. Now its just flat out ridiculous.

3. Get turrets? Right, get turrets. That makes sense, missiles and turrets should be the only way to rat right?

Wonder how many more posts it will take until CCP responses and says "Welp we messed up...fix it for ya in a year or so."

1. Well lets see, they've broken ganking. Try using ewar on someone with full hate in a complex. Really go on, try it.

2. Drone boats are pretty much useless. Target paint all you want, won't fix the initial problem of isk was hard enough to make with the complex nerfing and every which way they have nerfed ways to make isk. Now its just flat out ridiculous.

3. Get turrets? Right, get turrets. That makes sense, missiles and turrets should be the only way to rat right?

Drone boats were used afk before.

The problems with this category of complaint:

1) The changes don't hit PvPers. (Correction: I guess they DO hit PvPers, according to the OP, but not the right variety.)

2) It's pretty much the perfect target for that ubiquitous mob which runs around yelling "adapt!" because they think it makes them seem like grizzled, hardcore EVE vets.

This combination of factors pretty much guarantees that the issue will be ignored for the foreseeable future.

Wait for the target to finish killing targets, uncloak, gank. Just as it was done in Wormholes ever since they were launched.



Drone boats were used afk before. The change keeps you on your toes / demands one button press every once in a while. Amagad, dey brokeded it, my preciousss!



I'm using drones just as much as before, no need to get turrets. In fact, my alt went for Amarr precisely because they announced Prophecy to become a drone boat, which means they now have an alternative to lasers on every tier 1 ship type.

[When you say changes wont hit pvpers. Where from you think pvpers get isk to pvp? It doesnt drop from sky you know.. Even pvpers has to pve to buy ships and stuff. Unless they uses hisec mining alts/marketing alts..

Not to even mention "the hunting side" of pvpers aspect..

1. Well lets see, they've broken ganking. Try using ewar on someone with full hate in a complex. Really go on, try it.

2. Drone boats are pretty much useless. Target paint all you want, won't fix the initial problem of isk was hard enough to make with the complex nerfing and every which way they have nerfed ways to make isk. Now its just flat out ridiculous.

3. Get turrets? Right, get turrets. That makes sense, missiles and turrets should be the only way to rat right?

Wonder how many more posts it will take until CCP responses and says "Welp we messed up...fix it for ya in a year or so."

The worst part is that the biggest hit that was unforeseeable was on the newer playerbase. Sleepers are supposed to have this type of AI I agree, they are very difficult and so is living in a wormhole...(thats why you can make so much isk)

However, I have a few friends who I have gotten into this game. They just started getting into battlecruisers and t1/meta fit battleships. I tried to get them into null with me, but whats the point now? If they come into a complex with me, they will get shot and probably die in fair short order. Let them explore a 10/10 with me? Why? To lose another ship?

The way the rats were before was absolutly fine, because it allowed older players to say "Hey you little newbro in a cruiser, come with me to this hard mission/complex. You can see what it'll be like for you, milk a bit of the bounties, salvage if you can, pewpew some bad NPC's" and basically get them interested in this godforsaken game.

Now what are they supposed to do, sit around in a noctis and wait for me to finish a site just to come hoover the wrecks? Yea, that'll get them hooked on this game let me tell you...

Fact is it is harder now to make that isk required for plex.

The new AI is just one more step toward making pve useless as a source of income. CCP is moving toward making it impossible to pay your sub by playing. These are the death throws of Eve. All MMO's do this toward the end of their life; try to suck as much money out of the user as humanly possible.

So now this is all about how CCP is punishing deadbeats and dropouts who can't get a job, and play computer games all day?

Why would CCP care about that? PLEX doesn't come out of nowhere. Somebody is paying that subscription fee, even if it isn't you.