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Too Much Effort
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Posted - 2011.10.08 00:09:00 -
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I would use it, that's how I determined that it's a good idea. |

Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
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Posted - 2011.10.08 00:12:00 -
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No. You're supposed to open 2nd account to train 2.
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
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Posted - 2011.10.08 00:19:00 -
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A second account lets you train 2 AND fly 2 pilots at once. If you just wanted to train 2, it could be offered for less. Do not know if CCP thinks its a money maker, or a loser. Not sure myself. CCP employees should never proclaim a feature to be awesome. Only subscribers should. |

Too Much Effort
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Posted - 2011.10.08 00:25:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:A second account lets you train 2 AND fly 2 pilots at once. If you just wanted to train 2, it could be offered for less. Do not know if CCP thinks its a money maker, or a loser. Not sure myself.
I don't really feel like trying to run two clients at once anymore. I'd rather train 2 and play one or the other. Good for avoiding awkward corp moments as well, when I still want to play, but not want to be on a specific character. |

Jada Maroo
Mysterium Astrometrics BRABODEN
206
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Posted - 2011.10.08 00:31:00 -
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CCP already said they're looking into allowing you to pay more to simultaneously train on an account. I absolutely support it. |

Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
32
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Posted - 2011.10.08 00:34:00 -
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Do I have to buy a brain for my other chars in the NEX store? 
Yeah, I'd love to have more "true" chars on one account instead of using several too. |

Too Much Effort
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Posted - 2011.10.08 00:34:00 -
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Jada Maroo wrote:CCP already said they're looking into allowing you to pay more to simultaneously train on an account. I absolutely support it.
Well I hope they start the promotion sooner rather than later. I'm thinking about making an explorer. I'm just not interested in 2 separate accounts anymore though. I cancelled my other one and just let the queue run out.
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1-Up Mushroom
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
39
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Posted - 2011.10.08 00:51:00 -
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Too Much Effort wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:A second account lets you train 2 AND fly 2 pilots at once. If you just wanted to train 2, it could be offered for less. Do not know if CCP thinks its a money maker, or a loser. Not sure myself. I don't really feel like trying to run two clients at once anymore. I'd rather train 2 and play one or the other. Good for avoiding awkward corp moments as well, when I still want to play, but not want to be on a specific character.
This, I would pay for training two chars on the same account and I'm sure a lot of others would too. 150% is also good because your only getting half (not being able to fly it as someone already mentioned)
5 Days In A Week... 4 Seasons In A Year... 3 Colors In A Stoplight... 2 Hemispheres On The Earth... ONLY 1-UP MUSHROOM!!! |

Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum KUGUTSUMEN.
161
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Posted - 2011.10.08 00:53:00 -
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How is having 2 characters on 1 account any different then 2 accounts? Until they add in a "Logout to character screen" theres really no reason. If anything you are just hindering yourself since you can only play 1 at a time. |

Too Much Effort
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Posted - 2011.10.08 00:58:00 -
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Brooks Puuntai wrote:How is having 2 characters on 1 account any different then 2 accounts? Until they add in a "Logout to character screen" theres really no reason. If anything you are just hindering yourself since you can only play 1 at a time.
Don't need 6 character slots. Don't want to run 2 at the same time. Don't want to deal with two separate accounts.
I only want to keep 2 skill queue's running and I don't think it's worth the cost or hassle of 2 separate accounts.
I'm sure others would have 2 or maybe 3 150% accounts and the reasons are clear for that as well.
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Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum KUGUTSUMEN.
161
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Posted - 2011.10.08 01:10:00 -
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Too Much Effort wrote:Brooks Puuntai wrote:How is having 2 characters on 1 account any different then 2 accounts? Until they add in a "Logout to character screen" theres really no reason. If anything you are just hindering yourself since you can only play 1 at a time. Don't need 6 character slots. Don't want to run 2 at the same time. Don't want to deal with two separate accounts. I only want to keep 2 skill queue's running and I don't think it's worth the cost or hassle of 2 separate accounts. I'm sure others would have 2 or maybe 3 150% accounts and the reasons are clear for that as well.
Then don't use the 6 character slots.
Then only run 1 account at a time.
Fair enough.
The issue with having a reduced cost is that it promotes character farming. Where as now you have to pay $30 to train 2 characters where as with your plan you only pay $22 for 2. This will just allow people to sit a alt and train for 6months then transfer to another account and save 50%. This is why CCP hasn't allowed it.
IF they put a system in to allow 2 characters to train on 1 account then they either need to charge the full amount for 2 accounts, or cause the secondary character to train at 50%. Otherwise the system will be abused to hell. |

Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
32
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Posted - 2011.10.08 01:13:00 -
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An example. I mostly work from home if I'm not sent someplace end of world is near (e.g. Connecticut or Korea).
While working from home, I like to mine. No, I don't use a bot. I'm scripted as stupid myself.
When free to pay full attention to EVE I like to do more active stuff. Miner Alt without different account would be nice.
Why not train two chars on the same account then? Saves work in EVEMON, too. Also the twinks don't make any sense at the moment except for 2-day train trading alts. |

Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
239
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Posted - 2011.10.08 01:21:00 -
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If you could train 2nd character with 50% price, you would get 2x more profit when selling it.
In other words.. 1) people would buy "150%" account. 2) Train their main + the alt for a year. 3) Tranfer the alt to another account. 4) Have 2 accounts with years training time but with 25% less money.
Sounds like an excellent deal for CCP. Specially the bot char farmers would be thrilled :)
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Epiphaniess
Verboten Technologies
163
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Posted - 2011.10.08 01:23:00 -
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Brooks Puuntai wrote:Too Much Effort wrote:Brooks Puuntai wrote:How is having 2 characters on 1 account any different then 2 accounts? Until they add in a "Logout to character screen" theres really no reason. If anything you are just hindering yourself since you can only play 1 at a time. Don't need 6 character slots. Don't want to run 2 at the same time. Don't want to deal with two separate accounts. I only want to keep 2 skill queue's running and I don't think it's worth the cost or hassle of 2 separate accounts. I'm sure others would have 2 or maybe 3 150% accounts and the reasons are clear for that as well. Then don't use the 6 character slots. Then only run 1 account at a time. Fair enough. The issue with having a reduced cost is that it promotes character farming. Where as now you have to pay $30 to train 2 characters where as with your plan you only pay $22 for 2. This will just allow people to sit a alt and train for 6months then transfer to another account and save 50%. This is why CCP hasn't allowed it. IF they put a system in to allow 2 characters to train on 1 account then they either need to charge the full amount for 2 accounts, or cause the secondary character to train at 50%. Otherwise the system will be abused to hell.
Your argument about people farming characters falls short.
People already farm characters, through various means currently. When ever they do the power of two promotion, you see an in flux of starter chars a few months later. Farming chars has always been going on.
At least this way CCP can make more money per account, that uses this feature.
If farming chars is such a problem CCP should secretly or openly buy chars that are being sold and biomass them.
Especially some of the older chars.
In fact I think CCP should be doing that even if they don't allow people to pay to train more than one char per account.
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Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
32
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Posted - 2011.10.08 01:25:00 -
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You have a point there. I agree.
Still, the two extra chars just hang out at trade hubs or wherever and don't give any benefit to any (normal) player. Why even offer to create them in the first place? |

Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
239
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Posted - 2011.10.08 01:38:00 -
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Aidan Brooder wrote:Grey Stormshadow: You have a point there. I agree.
Still, the two extra chars just hang out at trade hubs or wherever and don't give any benefit to any (normal) player. Why even offer to create them in the first place?
They could as well give you discount on your alt accounts instead. Oh, in a way they do. You get PLEX advertising yourself, right? Yes you can open buddy account(s) to yourself when there is a promotion going on. That is perfectly legal and recommended thing to do.
What comes to 2 other characters. Quite a few people use them. You can stop training your "main" for few weeks/months and train your "alt" for some specific function like manufacturing, ganker, scammer, spy, infiltrator, mining alt, pvp alt, logistics alt... You can also buy characters and bazaar and fill your 2 additional slots with pre-trained pilots.
When you have specialized alt character, you only need that much skill points before the character can fill the task almost perfectly.
Keep your mind open - you pay for the slots - use them (I do).
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Black Ops Bridge
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.08 01:44:00 -
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I eagerly await the day when I can begin my training.  |

Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
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Posted - 2011.10.08 01:45:00 -
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Grey Stormshadow wrote:Aidan Brooder wrote:Grey Stormshadow: You have a point there. I agree.
Still, the two extra chars just hang out at trade hubs or wherever and don't give any benefit to any (normal) player. Why even offer to create them in the first place?
They could as well give you discount on your alt accounts instead. Oh, in a way they do. You get PLEX advertising yourself, right? Yes you can open buddy account(s) to yourself when there is a promotion going on. That is perfectly legal and recommended thing to do. What comes to 2 other characters. Quite a few people use them. You can stop training your "main" for few weeks/months and train your "alt" for some specific function like manufacturing, ganker, scammer, spy, infiltrator, mining alt, pvp alt, logistics alt... You can also buy characters and bazaar and fill your 2 additional slots with pre-trained pilots. When you have specialized alt character, you only need that much skill points before the character can fill the task almost perfectly. Keep your mind open - you pay for the slots - use them (I do).
Or I train my "Main" instead, because he already has the prerequisites for many skills and I can only fly one char at a time per account and would lose more time training my "Alts" on the same account? You can train the two extra chars efficiently in very short term things, but after that they are just dolls sitting around. Or I miss something, which would not come as a surprise at this hour.  |

Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
239
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Posted - 2011.10.08 01:52:00 -
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Aidan Brooder wrote:Grey Stormshadow wrote:Aidan Brooder wrote:Grey Stormshadow: You have a point there. I agree.
Still, the two extra chars just hang out at trade hubs or wherever and don't give any benefit to any (normal) player. Why even offer to create them in the first place?
They could as well give you discount on your alt accounts instead. Oh, in a way they do. You get PLEX advertising yourself, right? Yes you can open buddy account(s) to yourself when there is a promotion going on. That is perfectly legal and recommended thing to do. What comes to 2 other characters. Quite a few people use them. You can stop training your "main" for few weeks/months and train your "alt" for some specific function like manufacturing, ganker, scammer, spy, infiltrator, mining alt, pvp alt, logistics alt... You can also buy characters and bazaar and fill your 2 additional slots with pre-trained pilots. When you have specialized alt character, you only need that much skill points before the character can fill the task almost perfectly. Keep your mind open - you pay for the slots - use them (I do). Or I train my "Main" instead, because he already has the prerequisites for many skills and I can only fly one char at a time per account and would lose more time training my "Alts" on the same account? You can train the two extra chars efficiently in very short term things, but after that they are just dolls sitting around. Or I miss something, which would not come as a surprise at this hour. 
Well in a way buying plex with money and selling it with isk to buy pre-trained character is something what should solve the original request as well. Main difference is that you pay from entire training time you want in advance.
If in some point you want even more skill points, you could always trade that character forward and buy new one with same method.
If you disagree with this, I have to come to conclusion that this thread is more about getting cheaper way to train characters than getting to train 2 or more characters on same account. Of course you don't have to agree with me on this one :) People rarely do.
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Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
32
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Posted - 2011.10.08 01:56:00 -
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Grey Stormshadow wrote:Aidan Brooder wrote:Grey Stormshadow wrote:Aidan Brooder wrote:Grey Stormshadow: You have a point there. I agree.
Still, the two extra chars just hang out at trade hubs or wherever and don't give any benefit to any (normal) player. Why even offer to create them in the first place?
They could as well give you discount on your alt accounts instead. Oh, in a way they do. You get PLEX advertising yourself, right? Yes you can open buddy account(s) to yourself when there is a promotion going on. That is perfectly legal and recommended thing to do. What comes to 2 other characters. Quite a few people use them. You can stop training your "main" for few weeks/months and train your "alt" for some specific function like manufacturing, ganker, scammer, spy, infiltrator, mining alt, pvp alt, logistics alt... You can also buy characters and bazaar and fill your 2 additional slots with pre-trained pilots. When you have specialized alt character, you only need that much skill points before the character can fill the task almost perfectly. Keep your mind open - you pay for the slots - use them (I do). Or I train my "Main" instead, because he already has the prerequisites for many skills and I can only fly one char at a time per account and would lose more time training my "Alts" on the same account? You can train the two extra chars efficiently in very short term things, but after that they are just dolls sitting around. Or I miss something, which would not come as a surprise at this hour.  Well in a way buying plex with money and selling it with isk to buy pre-trained character is something what should solve the original request as well. Main difference is that you pay from entire training time you want in advance. If in some point you want even more skill points, you could always trade that character forward and buy new one with same method. If you disagree with this, I have to come to conclusion that this thread is more about getting cheaper way to train characters than getting to train 2 or more characters on same account. Of course you don't have to agree with me on this one :) People rarely do.
Oh, I'm quite happy with the chars I already got. But training several on same account would have been nice at some point in time. We are just talking theories. ;)
And I wouldn't buy characters. I think that is not exactly cheap but more to the point - very uncreative. |
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
356
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Posted - 2011.10.08 02:00:00 -
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Well, you could always just stay out of the pub for a few days.
Put your money saved into transferring the characters you like into one acct and cancel the others.
There you go. Three usable characters on one acct. If you only have one acct to start with, then you don't belong in my EVE.
Mr Epeen  If you can read this, you haven't blocked me yet. |

Raid'En
Apprentice Innovations
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Posted - 2011.10.08 02:06:00 -
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i have 2 trained char by account, as i bough some for empire stuff while living on wh. but now it's a pain as i can only train one, and transgering one outside and back to account cost way too much. so would like a lot a way to train 2 char on same account, even at full price i would think about it. |

Too Much Effort
6
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Posted - 2011.10.08 02:07:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:, then you don't belong in my EVE. Mr Epeen 
Hellmar? |

Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
239
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Posted - 2011.10.08 02:15:00 -
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Raid'En wrote:i have 2 trained char by account, as i bough some for empire stuff while living on wh. but now it's a pain as i can only train one, and transgering one outside and back to account cost way too much. so would like a lot a way to train 2 char on same account, even at full price i would think about it. Full price should definitely be possible.
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Too Much Effort
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Posted - 2011.10.08 02:19:00 -
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Grey Stormshadow wrote:Raid'En wrote:i have 2 trained char by account, as i bough some for empire stuff while living on wh. but now it's a pain as i can only train one, and transgering one outside and back to account cost way too much. so would like a lot a way to train 2 char on same account, even at full price i would think about it. Full price should definitely be possible.
Why not. I would still probably do it, or close to full price. |

Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
240
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Posted - 2011.10.08 02:24:00 -
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Too Much Effort wrote:Grey Stormshadow wrote:Raid'En wrote:i have 2 trained char by account, as i bough some for empire stuff while living on wh. but now it's a pain as i can only train one, and transgering one outside and back to account cost way too much. so would like a lot a way to train 2 char on same account, even at full price i would think about it. Full price should definitely be possible. Why not. I would still probably do it, or close to full price. This way you could use plex to activate 1 month training on alt also and give CCP another plex sink they are looking for.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
356
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Posted - 2011.10.08 02:28:00 -
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Too Much Effort wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:, then you don't belong in my EVE. Mr Epeen  Hellmar?
Maybe.
Except for the part where I don't kiss whiner ass and I don't change the direction of the game every time some brain dead neckbeard has a forum tantrum.
Mr Epeen 
If you can read this, you haven't blocked me yet. |

KaarBaak
69
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Posted - 2011.10.08 02:52:00 -
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Make any chars on such accounts permanently non-transferrable and I'm in for this idea.
KB
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Taedrin
Kushan Industrial
84
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Posted - 2011.10.08 03:50:00 -
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An interesting idea, though it has the distinct negative side effect of making it MUCH easier to harvest characters and RMT them. |

Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum KUGUTSUMEN.
161
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Posted - 2011.10.08 08:00:00 -
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Grey Stormshadow wrote:Too Much Effort wrote:Grey Stormshadow wrote:Raid'En wrote:i have 2 trained char by account, as i bough some for empire stuff while living on wh. but now it's a pain as i can only train one, and transgering one outside and back to account cost way too much. so would like a lot a way to train 2 char on same account, even at full price i would think about it. Full price should definitely be possible. Why not. I would still probably do it, or close to full price. This way you could use plex to activate 1 month training on alt also and give CCP another plex sink they are looking for.
The plex sink never made sense to me. Considering they have the plex for buddy invite and "plex for snitch" if they where so worried about having a plex sink then they wouldn't keep adding more to the mix. |
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