Welcome to greater competition on the open market. The Margin Trading skill is absolutely necessary for straightup traders. I need to be able to put all those orders up to stay competitive with the 0.1 iskers. One thing I noticed about the market (speaking about Jita and surroundings here) It's 95% diligent dudes or no life order babysitters who sit there staring at their orders all day, 4% bots and 1% manipulators and scammers.

no I'm not complaining about scam, these i don't care

what I dislike about this skill is the fact that you can increase / manipulate price of rare module if you have time

this wasn't the case when these modules was contract only, you were not able to do this

now you can

How does this differ from modifying the value using contracts? You could make "buy orders" on contracts too to make it look differently, if anything it was easier on contracts since everyone could see it, here you can only manipulate region wise...?

/c

So?

With margin trading you don't actually have to risk buying them at your inflated price.

How about implementing a system to prevent thins kind of BS 0.01 isk war? ake it so it cost more to constantly change your buy/sell order and this crap will be gone. For someone who's not putting the market play in his priority, setting up a an order is just a giant waste of time because you get undercutted all the damn time. I sell to buy order because quite frankly, I don't have the will to fight these wars.

[quote=Hannah Flex]How about implementing a system to prevent thins kind of BS 0.01 isk war? ake it so it cost more to constantly change your buy/sell order and this crap will be gone. For someone who's not putting the market play in his priority, setting up a an order is just a giant waste of time because you get undercutted all the damn time. I sell to buy order because quite frankly, I don't have the will to fight these wars.

You're doing it wrong.
Don't bother with 0.01 isk wars, don't sell to buy orders either, just think of it as frakking up the market, it is a game yes?
Sell your stuff priced in-between the buy and sell orders, not too close to either one. Either a seller buys up your goods or watch and see the market plummet for that item, needlessly. Then observe tears in the market discussion forum -> "we just had this nice 0.01 isk war going on then someone steps in and totally ruined it!"

Market PvP can be _so_ rewarding.

Here you can use fake orders to manipulate with no financial risk to yourself.

Here you can use fake orders to manipulate with no financial risk to yourself.

It's not no risk, it costs tens of millions of isk to set the order up, and if someone kills it without your scam going through, you're out that money.

There was a dude in Amarr with an order of 1300 Prototype ECCM modules or 20 million each. I happened to have a lot of those lying around and killed his order.

He's now trying it with Magnetrometic ECCM mods.

no I'm not complaining about scam, these i don't care

what I dislike about this skill is the fact that you can increase / manipulate price of rare module if you have time

this wasn't the case when these modules was contract only, you were not able to do this

now you can

^^ What he said.

to all Shiftwits

No, EVE market is corrupt...

How about implementing a system to prevent thins kind of BS 0.01 isk war? ake it so it cost more to constantly change your buy/sell order and this crap will be gone. For someone who's not putting the market play in his priority, setting up a an order is just a giant waste of time because you get undercutted all the damn time. I sell to buy order because quite frankly, I don't have the will to fight these wars.

How about implementing a system to prevent thins kind of BS 0.01 isk war? ake it so it cost more to constantly change your buy/sell order and this crap will be gone. For someone who's not putting the market play in his priority, setting up a an order is just a giant waste of time because you get undercutted all the damn time. I sell to buy order because quite frankly, I don't have the will to fight these wars.