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Hayaishi
Aperture Harmonics K162
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Posted - 2011.10.08 07:22:00 -
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No, really, what is it? |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.10.08 07:22:00 -
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Life. The Universe. Everything. |
Kehro Urgus
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.08 07:25:00 -
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Old age incontinence and dementia. |
Planktal
Kenshao Industries Galactic Acqisition Specialists
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Posted - 2011.10.08 07:28:00 -
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does being 4+ years old in EVE count as a 'vet'? If so, why am I not bitter? |
Hayaishi
Aperture Harmonics K162
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Posted - 2011.10.08 07:30:00 -
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I'm sweet, but too much of me will give you diabeetus. |
Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum KUGUTSUMEN.
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Posted - 2011.10.08 07:45:00 -
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Everything. |
schurem
Anarchy Inc.
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Posted - 2011.10.08 07:45:00 -
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a lot of things can cause a vet to be bitter.
Eve is a harsh game and many have built elaborate castles in the sandbox, only to see them knocked down by the bullies. This harsness is the essence of the game, but it makes for some sore memories in some. (and glorious ones as well!)
CCP is and has been a very ambitious company. Without their alpha male mentality they would never have pulled off the sort of distinctive qualities Eve has. However they are not omnipotent. Broken promises and lame-ass implementations of fixes to age old problems make for sore memories in some.
I think these two factors are most of what makes a vet bitter. .... You can't take the skies from me. |
ACE McFACE
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2011.10.08 07:49:00 -
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Bitter about any change they ask for because its not exactly perfect and how they imagined it.
eg: I demand hybrid fix! Later when hybrids are fixed: WHAA MY VAGABOND GOT KILLED BY A DEMIOS, NERF HYBRIDS ZE GOGGLES, ZEY DO NOTHING! (Not wearing them so don't waste your time reading this sig) |
Abrazzar
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Posted - 2011.10.08 07:59:00 -
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Neglect. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. |
Alaizabel Bronstein
United Engineering Services
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Posted - 2011.10.08 08:12:00 -
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they are bitter over realizing that they have become emotionally overinvested in a computer-game (that they have very little control about) |
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Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum KUGUTSUMEN.
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Posted - 2011.10.08 08:13:00 -
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Alaizabel Bronstein wrote:they are bitter over realizing that they have become emotionally overinvested in a computer-game (that they have very little control about)
Actually this is pretty accurate.
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Dirk Magnum
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2011.10.08 08:13:00 -
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Alts, and the ISK diarrhea they generate. That's my problem, anyway. Nobody agrees with me though |
Komen
Capital Enrichment Services
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Posted - 2011.10.08 08:27:00 -
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ACE McFACE wrote:Bitter about any change they ask for because its not exactly perfect and how they imagined it.
eg: I demand hybrid fix! Later when hybrids are fixed: WHAA MY VAGABOND GOT KILLED BY A DEMIOS, NERF HYBRIDS
Oh god I want that to be happening. Right now.
Alaizabel Bronstein wrote:they are bitter over realizing that they have become emotionally overinvested in a computer-game (that they have very little control about)
Mmmm...yeah, can't argue with that. |
Sir Substance
Tactical Knightmare
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Posted - 2011.10.08 08:42:00 -
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Many of us are bitter because eve is perpetually failing to measure up to its potential. There have been many occasions over the years when listening to the players would have significantly improved the game, but ccp rarely listens. |
Jenell Sevidon
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.08 09:54:00 -
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The problem is that CCP adresses game balance, which is crucial for a pvp game with the speed of a glacier. Balancing is something that needs constant attention and possibly adjustment but with CCP it seems they look at things only once every few years or so.
0.0 and how the situation evolved there is an example. People have warned for years of the capital ship and supercapital blobs. Moongoo-balance was another thing. Now alliances get rich by just owning space and without actively using their space. Billions are made with POS on high end moons while the rest of the space is effectivly abandoned.
And the corrupt CSM wants 0.0 to be the only source of high end minerals which will take even more away from the average player to give it to the alliances bot farms. |
Grimpak
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
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Posted - 2011.10.08 10:43:00 -
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I'm a bitter vet bitter about bitter vets. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
StarRanger 2ndClass
Cadre Assault Force Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2011.10.08 10:45:00 -
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the continues whines about everything, just play the damn game or leave |
DarkAegix
Acetech Systems
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Posted - 2011.10.08 10:46:00 -
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Bittervets are typically found in 0.0 space, solo-roaming with their off-grid Tengu fleet booster, Falcon and Dramiel alts, with a supercarrier hotdrop on standby. |
Mistress Terrify
Hagukure
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Posted - 2011.10.08 10:47:00 -
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The only MMOs that survive are the ones that change, develop, and add stuff. Eve undoubtable is the most successful MMO by these standards. But for resons that escape me, changes are always met with great hostililty by a vocal minority (no matter what the game, no matter how good the change is) I guess that they just don't like change, and powerless to stop it - vent spleen and vile in every forum they can. |
Ugleb
Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.10.08 10:58:00 -
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Hayaishi wrote:No, really, what is it?
Many bitter vets are bitter because something that was overpowered which they used extensively got 'nerfed' at some point and they miss that feeling of dominance. Personally I think the word 'nerf' should be forcibly corrected with an electric cattle prod until ppl use the correct term 'balanced'. Unless a change actually does render something obsolete, then its nerfed (this rarely happens and is usually an indirect consequence of something else being changed).
The rest of us are the disenchanted masses that have watched CCP ignore fundamental flaws in EVE going un-addressed for years while CCP moves on to the next project in pursuit of long term vision at the expense of short-mid term problems that affect large numbers of people on a daily basis. Factional warfare for example launched in an satisfying state and has been almost entirely unchanged since it was launched in summer 2007, despite promised iteration at launch. The current situation with capital ship imbalance has been worsening since Dominion nearly 2 years ago and was in dire need of attention a full year ago. Both of these examples have gone without much needed attention because CCP instead chose to focus on other projects, many of which being controversial (PI implementation and the Dust link, CQ's, NeX) with few notable successes (arguably Incursions, although they too would benefit from iteration).
In short, people are generally bitter that CCP continually promise to address lingering issues and iterate on content, but then fail to do so leaving incomplete mechanics building up to a troubled game. http://uglebsjournal.wordpress.com/ |
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Galadriel Vasquez
Bright Paradigm
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Posted - 2011.10.08 11:01:00 -
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Mistress Terrify wrote:The only MMOs that survive are the ones that change, develop, and add stuff. Eve undoubtable is the most successful MMO by these standards. But for resons that escape me, changes are always met with great hostililty by a vocal minority (no matter what the game, no matter how good the change is) I guess that they just don't like change, and powerless to stop it - vent spleen and vile in every forum they can.
Spot on. People are creatures of habit. Change is bad m'kay?
EVE Online is the best MMO on the market for its innovation and updates. You cannot please all of the people all of the time. |
Grimpak
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
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Posted - 2011.10.08 11:32:00 -
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Galadriel Vasquez wrote:Mistress Terrify wrote:The only MMOs that survive are the ones that change, develop, and add stuff. Eve undoubtable is the most successful MMO by these standards. But for resons that escape me, changes are always met with great hostililty by a vocal minority (no matter what the game, no matter how good the change is) I guess that they just don't like change, and powerless to stop it - vent spleen and vile in every forum they can. Spot on. People are creatures of habit. Change is bad m'kay? EVE Online is the best MMO on the market for its innovation and updates. You cannot please all of the people all of the time.
tbh my issue is not about changes. I'm one of those "bitter vets" that watched Incarna as a new avenue of content that could tie in with FiS, together with nice stuff that would provide this game, the "sci-fi simulator" that the devs want it to be.
the issue I have is that CCP nearly every time that implemented a change, it did it half-assedly and incomplete. Case in point, Incarna, which was a failure not because of Incarna itself, but when they deployed it it felt that they spent 5 years just to make a rusty cubicle.
so no, it's not the change, but the way CCP makes the changes. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.10.08 11:35:00 -
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GǪincreasingly, it's about how clueless bittern00bs think it's about resistance to change. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Sir Substance
Tactical Knightmare
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Posted - 2011.10.08 11:41:00 -
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Tippia wrote:GǪincreasingly, it's about how clueless bittern00bs think it's about resistance to change.
The great thing about bittern00bs is that most of them eventually leave, and almost all the ones that stay eventually realise that the bittervets were right all along. |
To mare
Advanced Technology
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Posted - 2011.10.08 12:07:00 -
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the lack of new good development on the game |
Russell Casey
One Ton the dragons of eve
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Posted - 2011.10.08 12:24:00 -
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Dirk Magnum wrote:Alts, and the ISK diarrhea they generate. That's my problem, anyway. Nobody agrees with me though
Yo!
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Rhaegor Stormborn
BURN EDEN Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.10.08 12:34:00 -
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Neglect in fixing broken and unbalanced stuff. Heavy handed overdone nerfs or incredibly unbalanced buffs, which are then left that way for years before fixing. Failed promises and commitments many times over many years. Implementing half finished poorly made content which is never iterated on. Remembering how much more difficult and meaningful the game was back before everything was readily available and easy to get. Jump bridges, Jump Freighters, Plex, Bots, Incarna.
The list goes on and on, but the above is a large part of it. Things you expected to be fixed years ago still not being addressed is a rough one. Just wait until you have played for 5 or 6 years and the same **** is still broken that has annoyed you forever and see if you don't get a wee bit bitter. |
Martyr Theos
The NecroMonger Faith
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Posted - 2011.10.08 13:14:00 -
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Jenell Sevidon wrote:The problem is that CCP adresses game balance, which is crucial for a pvp game with the speed of a glacier. Balancing is something that needs constant attention and possibly adjustment but with CCP it seems they look at things only once every few years or so.
0.0 and how the situation evolved there is an example. People have warned for years of the capital ship and supercapital blobs. Moongoo-balance was another thing. Now alliances get rich by just owning space and without actively using their space. Billions are made with POS on high end moons while the rest of the space is effectivly abandoned.
And the corrupt CSM wants 0.0 to be the only source of high end minerals which will take even more away from the average player to give it to the alliances bot farms.
THIS is the essence of bitterness. For those who don't understand the why of B.V. Syndrome... re-read the above. |
Kengutsi Akira
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Posted - 2011.10.08 13:25:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:Life. The Universe. Everything.
42! Theyre bitter about 42!
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Kengutsi Akira
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Posted - 2011.10.08 13:28:00 -
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Martyr Theos wrote:Jenell Sevidon wrote:The problem is that CCP adresses game balance, which is crucial for a pvp game with the speed of a glacier. Balancing is something that needs constant attention and possibly adjustment but with CCP it seems they look at things only once every few years or so.
0.0 and how the situation evolved there is an example. People have warned for years of the capital ship and supercapital blobs. Moongoo-balance was another thing. Now alliances get rich by just owning space and without actively using their space. Billions are made with POS on high end moons while the rest of the space is effectivly abandoned.
And the corrupt CSM wants 0.0 to be the only source of high end minerals which will take even more away from the average player to give it to the alliances bot farms. THIS is the essence of bitterness. For those who don't understand the why of B.V. Syndrome... re-read the above.
THIS is why the CSM needs to be disbanded imo. When you look at the numbers on how big that 0.0 allaince is that Goonswarm is a part of, you start to realize that if everyone in high sec did vote against Mittens, what 69% of pod pilots are in their alliance now?
Not even just that, no CSM that is in a 0.0 corp is ever going to do anything but promote their agenda. Whats sad is that Hilmar sees this as a good thing.
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