they are bitter over realizing that they have become emotionally overinvested in a computer-game (that they have very little control about)

Bitter about any change they ask for because its not exactly perfect and how they imagined it.

eg: I demand hybrid fix!
Later when hybrids are fixed: WHAA MY VAGABOND GOT KILLED BY A DEMIOS, NERF HYBRIDS

they are bitter over realizing that they have become emotionally overinvested in a computer-game (that they have very little control about)

No, really, what is it?

The only MMOs that survive are the ones that change, develop, and add stuff. Eve undoubtable is the most successful MMO by these standards.
But for resons that escape me, changes are always met with great hostililty by a vocal minority (no matter what the game, no matter how good the change is)
I guess that they just don't like change, and powerless to stop it - vent spleen and vile in every forum they can.

Spot on. People are creatures of habit. Change is bad m'kay?

EVE Online is the best MMO on the market for its innovation and updates. You cannot please all of the people all of the time.

GǪincreasingly, it's about how clueless bittern00bs think it's about resistance to change.

Alts, and the ISK diarrhea they generate. That's my problem, anyway. Nobody agrees with me though

The problem is that CCP adresses game balance, which is crucial for a pvp game with the speed of a glacier. Balancing is something that needs constant attention and possibly adjustment but with CCP it seems they look at things only once every few years or so.

0.0 and how the situation evolved there is an example. People have warned for years of the capital ship and supercapital blobs. Moongoo-balance was another thing. Now alliances get rich by just owning space and without actively using their space. Billions are made with POS on high end moons while the rest of the space is effectivly abandoned.

And the corrupt CSM wants 0.0 to be the only source of high end minerals which will take even more away from the average player to give it to the alliances bot farms.

Life. The Universe. Everything.

THIS is the essence of bitterness. For those who don't understand the why of B.V. Syndrome... re-read the above.

Neglect.

The problem is that CCP adresses game balance, which is crucial for a pvp game with the speed of a glacier. Balancing is something that needs constant attention and possibly adjustment but with CCP it seems they look at things only once every few years or so.

0.0 and how the situation evolved there is an example. People have warned for years of the capital ship and supercapital blobs. Moongoo-balance was another thing. Now alliances get rich by just owning space and without actively using their space. Billions are made with POS on high end moons while the rest of the space is effectivly abandoned.

And the corrupt CSM wants 0.0 to be the only source of high end minerals which will take even more away from the average player to give it to the alliances bot farms.

Alts, and the ISK diarrhea they generate. That's my problem, anyway. Nobody agrees with me though

At what point does a player become veteran?

they are bitter over realizing that they have become emotionally overinvested in a computer-game (that they have very little control about)

Life. The Universe. Everything.

around when you get burnout, go away a few months then come back, rinse and repeat about two times, maybe three an you should be good lol

No, really, what is it?

The only MMOs that survive are the ones that change, develop, and add stuff. Eve undoubtable is the most successful MMO by these standards.
But for resons that escape me, changes are always met with great hostililty by a vocal minority (no matter what the game, no matter how good the change is)
I guess that they just don't like change, and powerless to stop it - vent spleen and vile in every forum they can.

Mistress what change are you talking about? The vocal minorities problem with the last 18 months is there HASN'T BEEN CHANGE! EvE has been neglected to work on Dust514 and WoD.

A bittervet: Is someone who cares about the game. Typically, they've participated in testing when CCP has asked. They've provided feedback when asked. They've jumped through all the hoops to make the game better through bug reports and petitions. And they've been completely ignored by CCP watching the same bugs in pre-release content appear in released content. They've had their skills, abilities and assets nerfed after spending years reaching a pinnacle of success. And they're pretty much tired of listening to CCP pay lip service to the player base and watching the masses believe it time after time.

*asks for years for a colorchange of bpc*

*keeps asking for it*

*finaly gets it*

*notices its only a slightly brighter blue that stil makes it hard to find a bpo in a huge pile of bpc*

*goes to photoshop and applys a greenshadder to an icon in less than 20 seconds*

*can't understand how ccp cant do it*

*is bitter*

At what point does a player become veteran?

GǪincreasingly, it's about how clueless bittern00bs think it's about resistance to change.

*asks for years for a colorchange of bpc*

*keeps asking for it*

*finaly gets it*

*notices its only a slightly brighter blue that stil makes it hard to find a bpo in a huge pile of bpc*

*goes to photoshop and applys a greenshadder to an icon in less than 20 seconds*

*can't understand how ccp cant do it*

*is bitter*

Bittervets are bitter about change

They are bored, simples.

If these vets tried something different instead of doing the same tiresome alliance maintenance rubbish every day they might find the game has a lot more to offer.

Confirming bitter vets haven't got the slightest idea about the multitude of different activities that EVE provides, unlike 1-2 year noobs.

Bumping this thread so bitter vets can explain themselves

They are bored, simples.

If these vets tried something different instead of doing the same tiresome alliance maintenance rubbish every day they might find the game has a lot more to offer.

QFT

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they hate how noobs can make money where they didn't/couldn't/won't
they hate PI cos they can't shoot it
they hate missions because the kills don't go on the kb
they hate plexes/anoms 'cos "leets" don't rat
they hate mining cos the noobs don't want to get blown up, they'd rather mine
they hate noobs that might like the direction CCP is taking
they hate the fact that noobs dare to question their intelligence everytime someone calls them stale old farts

Worst of all, Eve is what it is BECAUSE of the "bittervets" and yet, ask yourselves, why the "bittervets" cry the loudest about stagnation? CCP DOES bring changes but it's called "BAD" because it doesn't suit the "bittervets".

Might find that CCP is very aware that the "bittervets" will eventually leave regardlesss of what CCP do and so they need new ways to attract new blood in an everincreasign ADHD society.

"bittervets" resent the game changing at all for the betterment of newer players - at the expense of their own idea of what Eve should be.

It's only a "sandbox" when it suits their arguments. It's never a "sandbox" when a noob decides to mine or mission instead of PvP.

"He's not being part of MY "sandbox" environment!! - damned noob!!"

One thing for sure OP, they LOVE your post. Cos they get to call themselves "vets"....

PS: Now that I've said all this, I'll be called dumb, stupid, a noob, pubbie etc. by the intelligentia bittervets.... Of course, I've only been here 3 years. The difference with me and "bittervets" is that I'm not bitter.... I simply learned to be in charge of my own destiny and I don't wait for the silver spoon handouts.


TL;DR; BitterVets are just veterans at being bitter. Only common denominator is location.

I can refute every word in the above verbal vomit, but what is the point arguing with a mentally challenged deaf whiner?