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CausticS0da
Viziam
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.01.07 09:45:00 -
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CCP don't listen to these bads. DRONES ARE FINE. |
Korgan Nailo
5ER3NITY INC
Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2013.01.07 14:30:00 -
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CausticS0da wrote:CCP don't listen to these bads. DRONES ARE FINE.
Says the guy who contributed with nothing and trolled about everything.
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Ch3m1c4L
New Haven Enterprises
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Posted - 2013.01.08 00:12:00 -
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Korgan Nailo wrote:Yet another drone thread.
- The new change in which only "elite frigates" will shot light combat drones help, yet, who the heck know all the elite frigates names of all rats?
FACTION ELITE NAME
Angel Cartel: Arch, Angel Webifier, Angel Viper
Blood Raiders: Elder
Rogue Drones: Strain
Guristas Pirates: Dire
Sansha's Nation: Loyal
Serpentis Corporation: Guardian
Amarr/Caldari/Gallente/Minmatar: Support Frigate
Just learn the one or two factions you fight most, obv there is also ones called "ELITE SHIP NAME" as well.
Personally, love the changes to npc AI, haven't lost more drones than pre patch, although i do now deploy them less, i don't simply go in and let them out and just let them do their thing for the next 20 minutes. I now only bother if there is anything smaller than a cruiser under my guns, or if im not multi boxing and as such want more stuff to click so send them out all the time and recall etc.
Done lots of missioning post patch, multiple guristas ganza's, a worlds collide, haven't done assault or blockade since patch though. However, on patch day i was doing the final 3 missions of the caldari epic arc - not the hyasyoda route, and my god that was annoying. so many elite frigs on timer spawn, sensor damp cruisers so i couldn't shoot them before they were under guns, and blaster BS's so if i get close I have to bother to turn on the shield booster lol. |
Bhock
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.01.08 01:39:00 -
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You should try the Epic Arc lvl4, as many missions are full of Elite Frigates/Cruisers/BC/BS.
Since the change on AI, those missions are a pain on a drone boat, but still quite easy on a sniper boat (except that fracking Gallente to do with FoF signature kitter).
They still can be done, but are much harder, and I lose a few drones each elite mission.
Drones design issues are now really apparent, but it's still okay-ish if you love losing drones (the missions reward repay the losses, anyway).
The change on AI should have been done with changes on the missions. Many new players are going to be upset when losing T2 drones. |
Ch3m1c4L
New Haven Enterprises
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Posted - 2013.01.08 02:04:00 -
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Bhock wrote:You should try the Epic Arc lvl4, as many missions are full of Elite Frigates/Cruisers/BC/BS.
Since the change on AI, those missions are a pain on a drone boat, but still quite easy on a sniper boat (except that fracking Gallente to do with FoF signature kitter).
They still can be done, but are much harder, and I lose a few drones each elite mission.
Drones design issues are now really apparent, but it's still okay-ish if you love losing drones (the missions reward repay the losses, anyway).
The change on AI should have been done with changes on the missions. Many new players are going to be upset when losing T2 drones.
Epic arcs are fun, especially when the ai change happens between two big combat missions, so one day its cake, the next it took me 20-30 minutes to get rid of all the frigs lol.
New players point: true, but also new players will learn with the new mechanics so it wont be a shock.
I do agree that a much better interface is required though, and some missions may need some rebalancing due to ewar + losing drones so easily. |
Hazen Koraka
HK Enterprises
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Posted - 2013.01.08 08:23:00 -
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Korgan Nailo wrote:Whoa! Lots of replies! And some good ideas! Hazen Koraka wrote:All that's needed is a UI change to indicate when your drones are being targetted. If that was implemented (It's been a long running feature request) that would make things a whole lot easier (in regards to losing drones anyway - not necessarily being able to apply dps). Hey Hazen, Yep, agreed 100%. I would like an Option "Return upon targeted" or "Return upon Damaged" option even better. No UI change needed, but surely would prevent loosing them.
Hmm, not sure I agree with you exactly here. Making it an automatic option would enable botters to work more effectively. Just an indication that drones are being targetted would allow you to pull em in asap (manually controlled) rather than a check and forget option that imo would dumb the game down a bit.
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CausticS0da
Viziam
Amarr Empire
152
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Posted - 2013.01.08 08:33:00 -
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Korgan Nailo wrote:CausticS0da wrote:CCP don't listen to these bads. DRONES ARE FINE. Says the guy who contributed with nothing and trolled about everything.
How can I contribute other than by saying that I've not lost any drones in my Dominix or machariel and have pretty much done every mission amarr and minmatar agents can give since the patch.
Land on grid. Deploy sentries. Don't even aggro with my ship. Shoot frigs then cruisers then bs. If a sentry takes damage either scoop it or apply a medium rep (I've since not bothed with rep). Mission complete.
In machariel I only use drones of the correct size: land on grid. Pop frigs with guns. Deploy hobgobs, pop cruisers, deploy hammers. Mission complete. The drones are immune the whole time due to size.
If frigs are on you immediately I just deploy hobgobs and the enemy frigs are dead before my drones are even through shields.
Look, I have no agenda to make things seem easier than they are. Why would I? I find it hard to believe I am just being lucky after 100+ missions... Do you guys actually have t2 drones? I have drone dura only to IV and even sentry only to IV...
Show me a video of your drones dying... |
CausticS0da
Viziam
Amarr Empire
152
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Posted - 2013.01.08 08:40:00 -
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Bhock wrote:You should try the Epic Arc lvl4, as many missions are full of Elite Frigates/Cruisers/BC/BS.
Since the change on AI, those missions are a pain on a drone boat, but still quite easy on a sniper boat (except that fracking Gallente to do with FoF signature kitter).
They still can be done, but are much harder, and I lose a few drones each elite mission.
Drones design issues are now really apparent, but it's still okay-ish if you love losing drones (the missions reward repay the losses, anyway).
The change on AI should have been done with changes on the missions. Many new players are going to be upset when losing T2 drones.
Now this is a good post with maybe some merit as I've not yet done these in a drone boat. If you can snipe them though, can't you just shoot them with sentry from 100k? If they are on you from start maybe use MJD when you land on grid? Those are suggestions only as I can't comment on this case from experience. YOU might be right but anyone complaining about standard L4s is wrong. |
Hazen Koraka
HK Enterprises
166
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Posted - 2013.01.08 13:33:00 -
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CausticS0da wrote:Korgan Nailo wrote:CausticS0da wrote:CCP don't listen to these bads. DRONES ARE FINE. Says the guy who contributed with nothing and trolled about everything. How can I contribute other than by saying that I've not lost any drones in my Dominix or machariel and have pretty much done every mission amarr and minmatar agents can give since the patch. Land on grid. Deploy sentries. Don't even aggro with my ship. Shoot frigs then cruisers then bs. If a sentry takes damage either scoop it or apply a medium rep (I've since not bothed with rep). Mission complete. In machariel I only use drones of the correct size: land on grid. Pop frigs with guns. Deploy hobgobs, pop cruisers, deploy hammers. Mission complete. The drones are immune the whole time due to size. If frigs are on you immediately I just deploy hobgobs and the enemy frigs are dead before my drones are even through shields. Look, I have no agenda to make things seem easier than they are. Why would I? I find it hard to believe I am just being lucky after 100+ missions... Do you guys actually have t2 drones? I have drone dura only to IV and even sentry only to IV... Show me a video of your drones dying...
Ever heard of combat drones (i.e. NOT sentry drones). These are what the OP and others are commenting about dying.
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Suelou Starstrider
Fiscal Devination
0
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Posted - 2013.01.08 17:42:00 -
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2 drones in 9 missions bollox
Using sentry drones does make it easier but for the poor people that don't have the skill to use sentry's the drone fatality rate is massive. It makes using T2 drones a non profit exercise.
In smaller missions with only a few rats its fine but the greater the number of rats then you are in trouble.
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Korgan Nailo
5ER3NITY INC
Apocalypse Now.
96
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Posted - 2013.01.08 19:30:00 -
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Hazen Koraka wrote:Korgan Nailo wrote:Whoa! Lots of replies! And some good ideas! Hazen Koraka wrote:All that's needed is a UI change to indicate when your drones are being targetted. If that was implemented (It's been a long running feature request) that would make things a whole lot easier (in regards to losing drones anyway - not necessarily being able to apply dps). Hey Hazen, Yep, agreed 100%. I would like an Option "Return upon targeted" or "Return upon Damaged" option even better. No UI change needed, but surely would prevent loosing them. Hmm, not sure I agree with you exactly here. Making it an automatic option would enable botters to work more effectively. Just an indication that drones are being targetted would allow you to pull em in asap (manually controlled) rather than a check and forget option that imo would dumb the game down a bit.
Hehe, true.
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Solotta Erquilenne
5
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Posted - 2013.01.09 06:30:00 -
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Hazen Koraka wrote:
Hmm, not sure I agree with you exactly here. Making it an automatic option would enable botters to work more effectively. Just an indication that drones are being targetted would allow you to pull em in asap (manually controlled) rather than a check and forget option that imo would dumb the game down a bit.
lol listen to yourself "an indicator that you have drone aggro would dumb the game down." Having to guess at weather your drones are going to get vaporized is not compelling gameplay. Devs aren't so deluded to purpos fully make mechanics frustrating and seeming unfair just to give missions interactive gameplay and frustrate bots. This is just a balance issue gone wrong and a side effect of the long-complained-of hisec npc AI. |
Nalha Saldana
Syneptics Inc.
AL3XAND3R.
643
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Posted - 2013.01.10 15:16:00 -
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Im still wondering why my salvage drones get any aggro at all, thats just wrong. |
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