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Gull De'Kuntos
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Posted - 2005.06.10 07:57:00 -
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Please tell me I havent wasted the last month training to fly an Eagle! I have been reading the forums and people don't seem to be impressed with HAC's in general especially the Eagle.
Please give me your opinions on the Eagle, what it can take down, what are it's strengths and weaknesses.
Thanks guys
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Alex Harumichi
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Posted - 2005.06.10 08:05:00 -
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It might not be the best ship for HAC 1v1s, but if I'm flying an AF or an inty, an Eagle at range is one of the things I most fear. Probably the best small-ship sniper there is at the moment, excellent support ship for small fleets.
And HACs rock, all of them. Some of them are just more specialized than others. The Cerberus will be truly scary when the new missile changes go live.
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Omatje
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Posted - 2005.06.10 08:17:00 -
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Well you can gang up with the sniper BS-es and have a bit of tank as a bonus.
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Khristopher
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Posted - 2005.06.10 08:26:00 -
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Gah I didn't need to see that post. I have 3 days for Caldari Cruiser5 (all I need left for HAC) :eek
Pretty much I see the Eagle as a sniper (gets something like 45km with anti matter with skills up high) and the Cerberus as a Carcel that can tank :) This is the first post about caldari HAC I have actually seen in awhile so hopefully some good info will come out of it for those of us training for them :)
Guess look at it this way. Its not every day you run into a Caldari HAC (not to mention the eagle can be mistaken for a Moa) :)
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Jim Steele
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Posted - 2005.06.10 08:31:00 -
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 Originally by: Gull De'Kuntos
I have been reading the forums and people don't seem to be impressed with HAC's in general especially the Eagle.
Should have tried the diemos or zealot imho, personally i think after the missile balancing the cerb might be more of a damage dealer than it is currently.
The Caldari ones always seem a bit lacking in raw damage potential.
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RUNYOUFOOLS
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Posted - 2005.06.10 09:04:00 -
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Edited by: RUNYOUFOOLS on 10/06/2005 09:06:50
Originally by: Gull De'Kuntos
Please tell me I havent wasted the last month training to fly an Eagle! I have been reading the forums and people don't seem to be impressed with HAC's in general especially the Eagle.
Please give me your opinions on the Eagle, what it can take down, what are it's strengths and weaknesses.
Thanks guys
Hmmmmm how to put this without flameing you......
Seems odd to me tht you have trained for such a long time for this ship and yet seem to know nothing about it, how?.
did not once in all that time did you look at its stats and think for yourself?. Even "wow this things got a nice railgun bonus, looks like i will pick up some nice 250mm rail's, hmmm will they fit looks like its got a fairly small grid?".
Its basic stuff mate sorry but thats what it is. still at least you knew what hac to train for,and have at least some idea of what it can do. Unlike some of these post's of late "omg what hac to get! plz tell meh, ps can i have the best fitting too god forbid i have to think"
Its a advanced ship is the point im badly getting to, by the time you can fly these things (and im talking about flying them well t2 guns and maxed fitting skills) you should know how to set it up. its posts like your's that worry me into a flood of "omg thanks ccp the zelot sux!!1! 2 months wasted gimme meh time back or i quitzors" or "vagabonds dont do 800+wreckings but munnins do, boost the vaga!" and wrecking yet one more style of play/ships into a hopeless nerf frenzy.
/me has a cup of tea and calms down a tad
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Finix Jaeger
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Posted - 2005.06.10 09:14:00 -
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If I could fly it I would bring it to war.
But then again I would bring a probe to a fight if that was all I had available.
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Gull De'Kuntos
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Posted - 2005.06.10 09:52:00 -
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RUNYOUFOOLS, you need to get off your high horse, what I have simply asked for is some advice. From the ships stats it is obvious that the Eagle is set-up for sniping, don't patronise me with your comments. I dont want your negative comments I want advice from other players on the Eagle as there are very few threads on them.
Thanks for the advice so far guys, please keep them coming around the Eagle
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kwoodward
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Posted - 2005.06.10 10:51:00 -
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eagal is one of the more usefull hacs outthere the only one belonging in a fleet.
it is UBER pwnage to enimy tacklers and cruiser + it's smaller and more agile.
just keep range Own anything within 100km
if you wnat short range use the cerb
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Typherin laidai
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Posted - 2005.06.10 10:56:00 -
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Why own an eagle ?
A : It is sexy as hell
B : Not as common
C : It isn't using tech II weaponry yet so xpect it to improve
D : Its the closest thing Caldari are gunna get to a gunboat ( - Ferox... urr its ok... but well .. Its a BC  !)
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LordHong
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Posted - 2005.06.10 11:02:00 -
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yeah, one of the great bonuses to caldari hac's is that no-one expects to see them, so they'll just assume it's a caracal or a moa and get a nice shock when you start eating up their damage and spewing it back at them in bucketloads
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Alex Harumichi
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Posted - 2005.06.10 11:03:00 -
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While the Eagle is obviously meant to be a ranged sniper, nothing is stopping you from fitting a blaster setup. Sure, it's no Deimos but you do get excellent range for the blasters and can provide a nasty surprise to anyone who tries to get in close and orbit. Never underestimate the value of surprise :).
Think outside the box.
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Darkwolf
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Posted - 2005.06.10 12:51:00 -
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Originally by: Typherin laidai
C : It isn't using tech II weaponry yet so xpect it to improve
Umm. I dunno about you, but my Eagle is outfitted with nearly straight tech 2 equipment...
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Reeperman
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Posted - 2005.06.10 13:22:00 -
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Ok, this probably won't help but I had the option to go for the Eagle or the Deimos.. mainly sue to the fact I have good rail/hybrid whatever skills.. My choice was the Deimos totally becuase of the fact that those blasters on the Deimos do uber (for a tech 2 cruiser) damage, and also becuase I wanted a change from Caldari Grey  ..
Personally I think the Eagle is still a good ship and will probably get better.
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Shirei
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Posted - 2005.06.10 13:26:00 -
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For fleets, it's a really great ship and it outright slaughters hostile tacklers at range. It's probably almost the only HAC - maybe apart from the Zealot - that can be very useful in that situation. But it's not a solo fighter like the Deimos, Ishtar or Vagabond of course.
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Fred0
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Posted - 2005.06.10 13:27:00 -
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Edited by: Fred0 on 10/06/2005 13:28:48
I've been flying an eagle lately and it's an absolute stunner for killing **** in. Two sensor boosters and Two target painters in med slots coupled with a large t2 shieldbooster and you're gonna have eyes as big as UFO's when you pop your first frigates with it. It's the best HAC ingame easy for that situation.
You'll have problems clicking the overview fast enough to target them. They go pop so bloody quick.
Edit: Grrr shirei...
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Rex Martell
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Posted - 2005.06.10 14:07:00 -
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The Eagle is possible the best all range gunboat in the entire HAC range its effective envelope of fire is unmatched.
Against a Deimos at close range its toast but cheer up, you can't have everything The Eagle has a large power gird, smaller signature radius longer targeting range its faster and cheaper.
But do keep in mind the Eagle is the Caldari HAC tank not damage dealer and as such can never go toe toe with a any of the other races hardhitting hac's the Cerb' is the cardari hard hitter or at least will be after the missile fix.
2 x Damage bonus = Hard hitter
1 x Damage bonus = Race specific speacilist ship.
Eagle only has one damage bonus.
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X'Alor
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Posted - 2005.06.10 14:21:00 -
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I'm really really surprised not more people fit blaster on it. All that added range on blasters could make them almost really usable but would suspect you'd need to make it a high speed tackler of sorts like you would with some the other blaster fitted ships.
if for nothing else for the name. 
blaster fit megatron = blastertron
blaster fit thorax = blasterax
safe to assume
blaster fit eagle = beagle
and we all know that beagles strike the fear of god in man. them big floppy ears and hoppy struts, frightening.
beware the mighty beagle.
hehehe I can't even say it straight faced
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Nomen Nescio
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Posted - 2005.06.10 15:13:00 -
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The problem is Eagle is that you have advantage only on long ranges. At these ranges bs can have much better damage with similar tracking. At the same time to you gun bonuses eagle has to sacrifice most of you fitting and slots just for guns. Together with meds used for painters, trackers you will have very weak tank.
If you put mwd on you will lower you tank abilities even more, but if you donĘt enemy can close up on you and you in a short ranges eagle will be toasted. In a fleet battle enemy bs can track and hit eagle at omfg damage, because it will stay at long ranges virtually has no tank at all.
Anything except med rails setup will ruin the ship abilities even more. And with med rails eagle can endanger only smaller ships, because even with antimatter rails wont provide enough firepower to fight and again no tank. Which leaves very little situations there eagle can actually be handy, especially for its price ū at long range bs can be setup to match or most likely overcome eagles performance, in a short ranges eagle does not provide neither much damage, no tanking abilities compared to other ships, and against smaller ships at close ranges af will be better.
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Wired
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Posted - 2005.06.10 16:42:00 -
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I fly both Eagle and cerb and i love them both, the reason you dont see too many posts is because IMO, the mentality around a lot of people is to get the highest dot which by number crunching gives the deimos.
The eagles dot is high if the target decides to approach instead of warp off, you can be constantly hitting your target from 160k increasing dmg as target gets closer (by changing ammo).
I dont want to say too much as it may cause more people to buy them, putting up the price.
"C : It isn't using tech II weaponry yet so xpect it to improve"
the only thing on my eagle that isn't T2 is my arb launchers and shield hardners (should i fit any)
I'm with RUNYOUFOOLS on this one, by the time you start thinking about what HAC to fly, you should be able to identify what it can and cant do.
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Zaintiraris
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Posted - 2005.06.10 16:45:00 -
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Originally by: Gull De'Kuntos
Please tell me I havent wasted the last month training to fly an Eagle! I have been reading the forums and people don't seem to be impressed with HAC's in general especially the Eagle.
At worst you won't enjoy the eagle. But on the bright side you have caldari cruiser at 5. You can now use a cheap ship (the osprey) and mine just as well as a dominix. You also have the most effective possible blackbird, caracal, moa, and can probably use a harpy. Don't stress. Caldari HACs are going to change anyways, and you are prime to capitalize on those changes being for the better.
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This game was so much better back before people knew math.
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Bracius
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Posted - 2005.06.10 17:45:00 -
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if you don't know what to do with eagle, you can still sell it though... deimos has DPS, but it had to get close. And that can be a problem with 800m siggie
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babylonstew
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Posted - 2005.06.10 17:46:00 -
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And, look on the bright side, Caldari hacs are the only tech 2 Caldari ships no one is trying to get nerfed \o/
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MECHcore
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Posted - 2005.06.10 18:27:00 -
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im flying the eagle from early december ( and yeah i was there with my eagle in the huge VV-VCR battle ) , got HAC lvl5 and all i can say is that the eagle is an impressive warmachine 
the L tech II shield booster is perfect for it , gives u with ship bonus included 300hp/4sec and you can run it nonstop.
it is recommended to have some good guns skills if u truly want to discover its potential , 250mm tech II is a must on that ship.
in my opinion the eagle can do some great damage , this is a hit from yesterday with 250mm II and 1 damage mod tech II
2005.06.09 19:44:58combatYour 250mm Railgun II perfectly strikes Guristas Mortifier, wrecking for 508.8 damage.
people say that its only good for popping frigs but i discovered long ago that its not true 
anyway have fun with ur ship 
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Selim
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Posted - 2005.06.10 18:55:00 -
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Why do I have to agree with MECHcore that the eagle is good? 
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Selim
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Posted - 2005.06.10 18:56:00 -
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Originally by: babylonstew
And, look on the bright side, Caldari hacs are the only tech 2 Caldari ships no one is trying to get nerfed \o/
You can bet your ass that I'll be campaigning against the cerberus after the missile "nerf".
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Imran
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Posted - 2005.06.10 20:33:00 -
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Eagle is very underestimated, and that is one of its many advantages.
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Latex Mistress
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Posted - 2005.06.11 08:25:00 -
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Originally by: X'Alor
blaster fit eagle = beagle
and we all know that beagles strike the fear of god in man. them big floppy ears and hoppy struts, frightening.
beware the mighty beagle.
hehehe I can't even say it straight faced
I couldn't read it with a straight face either! 
Thanks for the laugh
After the nerfing of three sig's, Latex still won't give ISD what they really want...
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Moridin
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Posted - 2005.06.11 16:38:00 -
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my expserience with eagle is dont let intys get wtihin range. anything smaller than a BC or inty withing 10km is fair game in my experience. and 2-3 sensor boosters u can pwn 50% of pod¦s u find
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