Or , for whatever reason that is based on simple choice, some folks just don't want or like PVP.

There, problem solved. OBVIOUS answer is OBVIOUS. Scary, isn't it?


No barstool psycho-analysis or energy-beverage induced nerd-rage required.

Too bad reality doesn't actually work that way.
Well ... except for people who actually believe in that crap.

Wrong.

"Imprinting", "Neophobia", "What can i do?" vs. "Hey, i'll try this out", etc.

You're assuming there's a freedom of choice, where there is none for most people.

Next.

Then it hit me, ease the fears of what is going to happen before it happens. Develop in game a PvP tutorial and give the new player no risk ships (only to be used in PvP). Fit these ships, auto warp these ships to Low sec and walk the player through the paces. 5 ships maybe? Make available cheap ship "packs" that new players can get for cheap. No insurance (uninsurable) and prefit these ships. Low risk.

As someone who is "stuck" in high sec doing mining (lack of skill; I'm training!) I love this idea!

Also: I would love to see (somehow) the ability to buy SP and/or skills with the required L5 SP attached on the market with ISK. That would avoid the having to wait for real time skills to train.

And the very next day after that is implemented, you'd regret it as the people who were ahead of you in SP would be ahead of you in SP even more as they can afford to do so. Would be a killing blow for the game.

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And the very next day after that is implemented, you'd regret it as the people who were ahead of you in SP would be ahead of you in SP even more as they can afford to do so. Would be a killing blow for the game.

You're starting to sound like all high-sec dwellers would actually rather PvP, but they have been brainwashed to fear low-sec and PvP and thus avoid it. Could it be that some people just won't like PvP, even if they tried?

*lol* *facepalm*

The biggest issue seem to be idiots in the noobcorps who plant stupid thoughts
into the minds of the noobs. Like ... mine to make isk. Run missions to make isk.
You'll get blown up in lowsec as soon as you enter.

You want to teach noobs early on ? Then get rid of the terrorists ruining them
and instead put *dedicated EvE players* there, who show them the ropes.

Also: PvP is not an acronym for combat, noob. Combat is a subsection of PvP !

It isn't an issue of fear.
I can afford to lose T1 cruisers 5 minutes apart for the next 6 months. Why would I do that? Go on test server, watch the mindless repeat cycle of build it, blow it up. Adding a real time sink to it doesn't make it "scary" it makes it less appealing. There isn't that much appealing about going on test server and watch 5000 ships turn to wreck. Doing it here with a time sink is going to be better?

Fear is not part of the problem. Pointless PvP is.

Hello fellow players.

I was sitting around here thinking how much the PvP side of the game does indeed interest me. I have been reading much about the game via the forums (lurker) and the web. I notice much discussion about getting more people interested in Null/Low sec.

I think that the problem relates to real life and past gaming habits. When I think about going to Low/Null I relate it to buying a brand new car and taking it down a dark ally where I know I will lose it and it will be blown up. The risk is high.

Then with other games, you either make a name for yourself in PvP or you don't do it. In Eve the choices are many, do as you wish with very few limits. This strikes fear into a new played when they look into the wallet and realize they have nothing, know no one and have nothing to prove anyways. The incentive is very low to engage in a high risk activity.

Then it hit me, ease the fears of what is going to happen before it happens. Develop in game a PvP tutorial and give the new player no risk ships (only to be used in PvP). Fit these ships, auto warp these ships to Low sec and walk the player through the paces. 5 ships maybe? Make available cheap ship "packs" that new players can get for cheap. No insurance (uninsurable) and prefit these ships. Low risk.

Sure, the vets may not like the idea, but if the idea is to get more people involved in PvP. Change what has been taught in RL and reset the gamers mind. It's ok to lose a ship, teach that early and you have people whom are not afraid to PvP. There will be those that won't bite, but there will be those whom do and it can change the game in a big way.

It isn't an issue of fear.
I can afford to lose T1 cruisers 5 minutes apart for the next 6 months. Why would I do that? Go on test server, watch the mindless repeat cycle of build it, blow it up. Adding a real time sink to it doesn't make it "scary" it makes it less appealing. There isn't that much appealing about going on test server and watch 5000 ships turn to wreck. Doing it here with a time sink is going to be better?

Fear is not part of the problem. Pointless PvP is.

Games are just more fun with and against human opponents. It's always been like that, from the ancient times when first games were invented to today, where games are so wonderfully complex and deep that they can be called virtual universes.

I like my universes full of humans.

I've never understood people who play an MMO but don't want to play against other players.

Games are just more fun with and against human opponents. It's always been like that, from the ancient times when first games were invented to today, where games are so wonderfully complex and deep that they can be called virtual universes.

I like my universes full of humans.

NPC starter corps are indeed in need of a revamp. Out with the evernoobs, in with tutors. Currently they are the main cause of new players quitting. EVE needs a new sect of ISDs, volunteers who provide real player-driven content in starter corps, moderate the corp chat and give correct guidance to noobs.

Meanwhile, best I can think of is starting a Newbro program in my corp :)

Remove CONCORD.



No, we kill them so they learn how to use a D-scan.

Then it hit me, ease the fears of what is going to happen before it happens. Develop in game a PvP tutorial and give the new player no risk ships (only to be used in PvP). Fit these ships, auto warp these ships to Low sec and walk the player through the paces. 5 ships maybe? Make available cheap ship "packs" that new players can get for cheap. No insurance (uninsurable) and prefit these ships. Low risk.

There is *no* freedom of choice for most people. Most people simply stick to what they have learned
and have a hard time adapting to anything new. That's how the masses work, btw.
It gets even worse when they grow older.

Sounds like it belongs in a George Orwell book.

Huge chunks of it really are a risk fear, embedded good and deep from Rookie Chat and starter corps. Just a couple weeks back, I saw an "official" ISD newbie helper, telling a guy who asked about lowsec, "Don't go you'll get blown up". Once you get that level of risk-fear built in, it's hard to break.