People shouldn't have to gather up thousands of other people just to claim one system in 0.0, which could never support them all.

Think of all the PvP, too, if all the empty space of 0.0 was filled with people.

I played Eve from the very beginning. I flew for Bob, I flew for Goon, both the old Goon and the New Goon, I had alt's and spies in quite a few organizations. When I finally left, never to return, I was with PL. I just checked yesterday, LOL, I'm still an active member of PL, even though all my accounts are expired, lol.

When I walked away from the game, I had (3) Titans, (2) Motherships, and over 200B in Isk and assets. It goes with out saying, almost 10 years of my life, I think I'm qualified to comment on this game.



It's sucks, period! With the exception of a few of my closest friends, I have never seen, a larger collection of just plain rotten people in one single place in all my life. Now if this is what CR want's to create on his PU, (I sincerly don't believe this is what he wants) more power to him, I will respect him as an awesome creative influence. I will then create my invite only server, and will commence screening and inviting.

Griefers will not be allowed on this server in any capacity!

Being a fan of consensual PvP I will predict success for Star Citizen.

But only if the risk vs. reward is done right.

If and when there is an option to avoid PvP completely, it should be the least profitable option available.

Frankly, this is how EVE should also be, but it seems high sec is plenty profitable enough to give little incentive for the masses to try their hand at low or null.

So much hate in this thread, mainly from the nullbears who think the only way to play is their way...

There are tons of people who do not like the way eve is and you can see SC is going to cater toward that playerbase, so then why is there so much hate?

Shouldn't you be happy that SC is going to help keep the so called "Carebears" placid in another universe?

I honestly think so of the idea's proposed by the dev's are quite good and cater toward my playstyle more then Eve does, so I will be trying it when it is released. Does that mean I will give up eve? Hell no, because I can keep my sub up with ISK there is no point for me to stop training skills.

I don't even know why most of you feel so hurt by that community that you have to post about it when in the end you where not going to leave Eve because it caters to your playstyle.

In the end there is nothing wrong with a company trying to cater toward a community that wants freedom and safety, instead of Eve's freedom and harshness.

man this guy flew with goon, he knows his stuff

People shouldn't have to gather up thousands of other people just to claim one system in 0.0, which could never support them all

Why not? Think of 0.0 as a sovereign nation, why should they let you in to plunder their resources?

It's not about any of that. I thinking fighting over resources is awesome.

Just a matter of one alliance being able to hold vast areas using one fleet to defend it all. The space would actually be used by other people and not be empty, but they keep it because they can.

So much hate in this thread, mainly from the nullbears who think the only way to play is their way...

It's not about any of that. I thinking fighting over resources is awesome.

Just a matter of one alliance being able to hold vast areas using one fleet to defend it all. The space would actually be used by other people and not be empty, but they keep it because they can. They aren't even using the resources other people would like to use..

Dreadnoughts are a lot better, supercaps/titans = best for reinforcing stuff?

Maybe i'm blind, but where is "hate" in this thread? Or is that your word for "disagreement" and "discussion"?

There are hundreds of MMOs out there with the "safety" some players try to push into EVE. There are only a few with the HTFU attitude like EVE (or how should we name that?).

I like EVE the way it is and why should i not defend that? I'm also interested that SC develops into a HTFU game because otherwise it is not interesting for me and i would like to have more choice in what games i can play that actually appeal to me.

On the other hand if it develops into something that appeals to all the cearbears and you finally stop demanding complete safety because you are busy hauling stuff in SC, that would be a win too.

But.. I strongly believe that if SC goes that way, there will be so many missing parts to a working economy because in complete safety there is no destruction, no meaning, no fraking incentive to play the game for more than a few weeks. It will finally end as a second STO, where there is no economy, no market to sell ships or modules. So you end up in a ghost game that resembles a singe player game with a fancy chat room.

And after you arrived there, you will come back to EVE and start to demand safety again...

How about you be responsible for your own fun? Jesus, people these days...
If you're not having fun with this game, don't play this game or try doing something else.

How else are you gonna drop SBU's and guard them till they are anchored and then onlined without being ninja'd then reinforce stations and ihubs/destroy poses, flip stations over the course of a few days reinforcement timers all the while making sure your SBU's dont get killed and the enemy doesn't rep his stuff over a multitude of timezones?

EDIT: Dont forget to guard your own TCU while it onlines for 8 hours haha!

Just for context: it takes a subcapital fleet of 255 dudes in battleships about 15-20 minutes to do one of these 'reinforcements' that need to be done through shield, armor and structure. Dreadnoughts are a lot better, supercaps/titans = best for reinforcing stuff. How will you do these things with your less than thousands of people? What if it gets contested?? Who will fight/guard you if the enemy comes to rep his stuff? Are you gonna tell him he needs to have e-honour and not bring a lot of dudes cuz you just want one system?

How dare the United States Navy be able to protect America and its interests, they should split the navy into like 55 sub navies and put caps on their troop and ship counts and never allow more than one subnavy to be in the same theater as another.

Their last 2 decades presidents provided a nice and effective diminishing returns mechanism, no need for other caps.

BTW there's one cap actually, it's the debt.

Maybe i'm blind, but where is "hate" in this thread? Or is that your word for "disagreement" and "discussion"?

There are hundreds of MMOs out there with the "safety" some players try to push into EVE. There are only a few with the HTFU attitude like EVE (or how should we name that?).

I like EVE the way it is and why should i not defend that? I'm also interested that SC develops into a HTFU game because otherwise it is not interesting for me and i would like to have more choice in what games i can play that actually appeal to me.

On the other hand if it develops into something that appeals to all the cearbears and you finally stop demanding complete safety because you are busy hauling stuff in SC, that would be a win too.

But.. I strongly believe that if SC goes that way, there will be so many missing parts to a working economy because in complete safety there is no destruction, no meaning, no fraking incentive to play the game for more than a few weeks. It will finally end as a second STO, where there is no economy, no market to sell ships or modules. So you end up in a ghost game that resembles a singe player game with a fancy chat room.

And after you arrived there, you will come back to EVE and start to demand safety again...

The only thing I agree with the majority is, sandbox games have become a tiny niche catering to fewer and fewer people over the years.

I just want a good spaceship MMO where people can't get away with constantly screwing each other.

Pulling numbers out of your arse are we? Or do you have any data to back that up? I hear Minecraft is a pretty successful game and EVE is still growing subscriptions.

Of course *two* games is all what tells a genre (sandbox) is growing or shrinking in popularity!

Also, EvE "still growing subscriptions" is a bit of an optimistic statement. Let's say it's "recovering" (to be very kind) or "ranging".

As for Minecraft of course it attracted a lot of people. It's a "buy once, yours forever" deal, they are not even "subscriptions", not in the traditional kind you use to draw charts (you can't even see subs dropping if they are "endless") Yet, the new game from the same developers seems to be subs based, let's see how it'll fare.

Since it was recently announced that EVE Online breaks the 450k subscriber mark I think it is safe to say that EVE is still growing.

As for Minecraft, that game alone has been such a huge success that there are probably more people playing open ended sandbox games today than ever before (but I don't have real data to back this up). And of course, there are also other but less successful sandbox games out there (e.g. wurm online comes to mind). I think it is a bit too soon to announce the death of the sandbox genre.