Well, basically my question is based on EvE where a few huge and well organized alliances with thousands of members completely dominate lawless space. Nobody and no clan not in the large alliances can go out there without getting shot to pieces, gates are camped, stations are camped and if you try to place an orbital base it will immediately get blasted by siege dreadnoughts.

I want people to be able to assert some level of dominance of space, but not complete control. A large alliance may well establish a large asteroid base in a belt and monopolize it, shooting anyone else who tries to mine there. But not an entire system, and if they try to blockade a jump point they could stop fleets but not smugglers and lone wolfs slipping through their fingers. Nor pirates/bounty hunters/RP freedom fighters from operating under their noses from a hidden asteroid base.

The second thing from EvE was GOONs having events like hulkageddon, where they suicide attacked Hulk miners and freighters. The police would swoop in and kill them, but a "neutral" would then loot and salvage their and their victims remains, netting them a tidy profit. As soon as a players security status had dropped too low from criminal activity, they deleted it and created a new one and started again. Next they launched the Burn Jita operation, Jita being the main trade hub in the entire EvE universe and well within the Caldari State's borders, where they suicide ganked litterally thousands of player ships.

Now, I love arson and murder as much as the next guy, but I really wondered why nothing happened in-lore. Everybody knows where the GOON alliance lives, why didn't CCP have the npc Caldari State Navy respond to Burn Jita like America did to 9/11? (they declared it "emergent gameplay" and wrote a post about how well their servers had held up.....)

why didn't CCP have the npc Caldari State Navy respond to Burn Jita like America did to 9/11?

This is the point where someone needs to put down the mountain dew, shift backwards away from the keyboard, and remove the tinfoil hat of shame.

Hence why I do not play Eve anymore. Whatever SC ends up being, it has to have a better sandbox.

P1. Rewarding players with overpowered, indestructible, game content such as special ships that are fully insured is a disaster waiting to happen.

Why?

You are creating a class of player that will be immune to the consequences of destruction and giving them the ability to destroy lower class players assets with zero risk to their own. This will pave the way to elitist griefing on epic scales.

Huge Corps taking control of entire sectors of space would turn SC into Eve 2.0 and I would never put another dime into the game.

No sectors of space, but sectors of a town (that can always be taken back) should be sweet. Agreed that the Eve-like domination should have no place in SC.

Battling the 'goonish lulseccian forces' will not be part of the fun. It will be an indication that CR and CIG failed in game design to prevent those players from being successful at being goonish twits.

A lot of discussion on how to deal with abuses, exploiting and griefing. The consensus seems to be that CR and CIG will be putting a lot of effort into removing that sort of behavior from game at every opportunity. Otherwise the idea of the economy and a promised game environment will fall apart.

I have more faith in CR and CIG than that.

Now, I love arson and murder as much as the next guy, but I really wondered why nothing happened in-lore. Everybody knows where the GOON alliance lives, why didn't CCP have the npc Caldari State Navy respond to Burn Jita like America did to 9/11? (they declared it "emergent gameplay" and wrote a post about how well their servers had held up.....)

I have been reading the SC forums tonight to pass some time, and I am truly amazed at the level of carebearism and pubbyism being displayed. They make brilliant threads that are putting EVE entitlement threads to shame such as

• The ability for individuals to be more powerful than organized groups (for teh balancez)
• The ability to pause the game during PVP to go to the bathroom
• The ability for people who prefer single player to upload their progress to the main server so they can grind offline (no way to exploit this)

They are afraid of PVP, antisocial, risk averse, and want 15 different games rolled into one. Sound familiar?

Why am I posting this here? Because CCP loves to listen to these kinds of whiners and has lost their HTFU philosophy. I'm concerned that this new alcove of carebearism is going to overfill into our community and ruin it forever. CCP, I am truly begging you. Guard, Greyscale, Eterne, PLEASE DO NOT SUCCUMB TO THESE KINDS OF PEOPLE.

This would have been kinda glorious but for some reason CCP has gotten away from that sort of thing. Could be something about perceptions regarding such events in the past and their interaction with a certain long-dead alliance...



I must admit, however, that this is not the conclusion I was expecting from the OP.

Ok, so where do I sign up for the Goonstar Citizen... guild/fellowship/whatever they call it. Gotta get in on the ground floor before we start digging several basements worth downwards.

There are already guilds forming, including ones that are openly racist. Another good one is a corp that advertises they hate America and won't recruit Americans because they are "cute bumbling idiots"

And it's tolerated?

Heaven forbid they have a wildly successful MMO instead of World of Warcraft in space..


CANT HAVE THAT

You do know I am quoting others on a different forum right? I even provided a URL as a source.

No no no, I mean that given the forum environment lately, I sort of expected you to be agreeing with it and going "these are great ideas, CCP should implement them!"

I just want a good spaceship MMO where people can't get away with constantly screwing each other. I still have hope for SC.

I just want a good spaceship MMO where people can't get away with constantly screwing each other. I still have hope for SC.

I'm masternerdguy, read my long term posting history

I was waging the war on entitlement before it was cool. I've taken a lot of criticism from the community for it, but I stand by my ideals. I find is disgusting how entitled people are, it's as if they think they somehow deserve something.

This game was promising, not so anymore...

Heaven forbid they have a wildly successful MMO instead of World of Warcraft in space..


CANT HAVE THAT