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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
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Posted - 2013.01.06 05:13:00 -
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Verus Noan wrote:masternerdguy wrote:As an American allow me to say that these morons are not typical citizens. Sure they are. Patiently waiting for your country to go bankrupt, sending the entire planet back to the dark ages.
Back when people actually had to work for their food? I think not 
"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |
Graygor
1kB Realty
1kB Galactic
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Posted - 2013.01.06 05:36:00 -
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My reaction to this story, and I would do it if it were possible.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35TbGjt-weA
"I think you should buy a new Mayan calendar. Mine has muscle cars on it." --áKenneth O'Hara
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Jonah Gravenstein
Overly Complex Security Innovations
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Posted - 2013.01.06 05:37:00 -
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Idiocracy
That's the future if the stupid are allowed to continue to breed.
Always bet on stupid, CCP can't patch stupid.
The measure of success in Eve is not monetary worth,
it's how effectively you can bend others to your will. |
Anya Klibor
Under the Wings of Fury
The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2013.01.06 05:56:00 -
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Seven Koskanaiken wrote:these cases are all about making money for lawyers
more cases = more fees
a parasite profession needs a constant stream of hosts to suck on
Those of us who aspire to be lawyers, and the profession at large generally look down upon ambulance chasers. Personal injury lawyers are fine when they go after legitimate targets, but the types we tend to scoff at are trying to make a buck off of your suffering. You know the ones I'm talking about: the ones who look like sleazy, used car salesmen who have hundreds of ads on television, telling you about their "no fees unless you win*" approach, and how effective they are. Hell, two of them in my area even guarantee you a win in court. I believe one lost a case and is now being sued for false advertising.
Hint: If a lawyer guarantees you a win in court before they even file the paperwork, find a new attorney!
We also tend to frown upon the guys who file multi-million dollar lawsuits that are frivolous. Yes, this is a frivolous lawsuit, and I fully expect it to be thrown out on that alone. If not, well I don't know. I mean, what are the odds that we, the taxpayers, are covering these legal expenses?
So please, don't say we're all bad. I'm going to practice as a Constitutional attorney. You know, someone who specializes in your rights as an American. :) |
Graygor
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Posted - 2013.01.06 06:03:00 -
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Don't take it as being hated because of ambulance chasers. Lawyers have been hated since Roman / Ancient Greek times and before.
Shall we not forget Shakespeare's lines from Julius Ceasar (not taking this as ancient history but Elizabethan England)
"First, we kill all the lawyers"
Good luck with your career but do you have to protect the rights of this kinds of idiots? Cant you work on making it law that these cases can be thrown out and maybe have the judge throw their gabble at them? 
"I think you should buy a new Mayan calendar. Mine has muscle cars on it." --áKenneth O'Hara
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Anya Klibor
Under the Wings of Fury
The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2013.01.06 06:35:00 -
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Graygor wrote:Anya Klibor wrote:
Those of us who aspire to be lawyers, and the profession at large generally look down upon ambulance chasers. Personal injury lawyers are fine when they go after legitimate targets, but the types we tend to scoff at are trying to make a buck off of your suffering. You know the ones I'm talking about: the ones who look like sleazy, used car salesmen who have hundreds of ads on television, telling you about their "no fees unless you win*" approach, and how effective they are. Hell, two of them in my area even guarantee you a win in court. I believe one lost a case and is now being sued for false advertising.
Hint: If a lawyer guarantees you a win in court before they even file the paperwork, find a new attorney!
We also tend to frown upon the guys who file multi-million dollar lawsuits that are frivolous. Yes, this is a frivolous lawsuit, and I fully expect it to be thrown out on that alone. If not, well I don't know. I mean, what are the odds that we, the taxpayers, are covering these legal expenses?
So please, don't say we're all bad. I'm going to practice as a Constitutional attorney. You know, someone who specializes in your rights as an American. :)
Don't take it as being hated because of ambulance chasers. Lawyers have been hated since Roman / Ancient Greek times and before. Shall we not forget Shakespeare's lines from Julius Ceasar (not taking this as ancient history but Elizabethan England) "The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers" Good luck with your career but do you have to protect the rights of this kinds of idiots? Cant you work on making it law that these cases can be thrown out and maybe have the judge throw their gabble at them?
Last I checked, there's no Constitutional right to get inebriated. Unless you consider the repeal of prohibition that "fundamental right"...
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Etherial Skyshot Deathstalker
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.01.06 07:07:00 -
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What is next? Sue a company that makes forks because they 'make' you fat? How about banning cars and bikes and make people walk for the exercise.
How many people drank as a minor and didn't end up in Jail or have problems? Some people always need an excuse for mistakes and will never own up that they 'are' the problem. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.01.06 07:14:00 -
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Etherial Skyshot Deathstalker wrote:What is next? Sue a company that makes forks because they 'make' you fat? How about banning cars and bikes and make people walk for the exercise.
How many people drank as a minor and didn't end up in Jail or have problems? Some people always need an excuse for mistakes and will never own up that they 'are' the problem.
I think obese people should have designated parking spots 3 miles from their destination and have to do jumping jacks the whole way there
"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |
Graygor
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Posted - 2013.01.06 08:48:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:Etherial Skyshot Deathstalker wrote:What is next? Sue a company that makes forks because they 'make' you fat? How about banning cars and bikes and make people walk for the exercise.
How many people drank as a minor and didn't end up in Jail or have problems? Some people always need an excuse for mistakes and will never own up that they 'are' the problem. I think obese people should have designated parking spots 3 miles from their destination and have to do jumping jacks the whole way there
If I ever became an American i'd vote for you for president.
"I think you should buy a new Mayan calendar. Mine has muscle cars on it." --áKenneth O'Hara
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Noriko Satomi
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.01.07 18:35:00 -
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There are a number of symptoms that all come together to produce this stupidity:
- The self-esteem movement
- The anti-morals, anti-values movement
- Misapplication of science in a legal context
Social science (which is a misnomer, as there is usually very little of the scientific method involved) had a hypothesis thirty or so years ago that self-esteem was of more importance than actual skills. Making policy out of that, we've had more than two generations of children graduated where getting the math wrong was OK so long as you felt good about the answer. These harmful notions leaked over to other subjects beyond math, but were most damaging there.
Add to this teachers who found it too hard to teach critical thinking and phonics (I wonder why they had so much difficulty...) and you get an education system that leans toward rote memorization instead of laying a foundation for generalization and synthesis.
At the same time, you have movements at the university level attempting to deconstruct the notion of morals, especially those that come from religion. Why? On the surface, the reason given is often outrage that you might make people feel bad (self-esteem). "How dare you demand good behavior and personal responsibility. How dare you interject religious notions of good and bad. There's no such thing as good and bad!"
Personal responsibility requires well-defined principles (not rules) of good and bad (which legal systems are a horrible substitute for), that is, it requires morals. Morals, in turn, can be reasoned from, generalized from and can be used in decision making when encountering new situations (critical thinking).
Morals and personal responsibility are only bad when your goal is to create a powerful centralized state that can control the daily lives of others. Well-informed and moral people will tend to vote against government constructs that grant more power to a ruling elite. Therefore, personal responsibility must be deconstructed. Pseudo-science and misapplication of biology (studies of addictive behavior, chemistry and pheromones) provide a useful misdirection in such an effort. The crude generalization of all these notions is the wrong-headed belief that one cannot be responsible for one's own actions.
The societal consequences, however, are things like this lawsuit in Idaho and the similar ones in Nebraska and South Dakota. While the academics have been so busy tearing down morality, they've not replaced it with anything. Critical thinking is unwelcome, because some may disagree with what the academic elite think should be a consensus.
Finally, you get lawyers attempting to apply these pseudo-science justifications to laws designed around responsibility. If you're not responsible, the law and consequent punishment for breaking it cannot apply. Lawyers are supposed to generate tension against the law to strengthen it. This works fine when the foundations of the law are solid, but is disastrous when those same foundations have been systematically eroded.
tl;dr: Damn hippies. |
Miss Piggy
Piggy Love Shack
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Posted - 2013.01.07 18:43:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Vilnius Zar wrote:Watch it happen, in a country full of bizarre extremes and zero logic clowns anything is possible. As a non-proud American...."I heartily endorse this statement". 
GTFO then european nirvana is thataway  !
Your in the minority so you would not be missed.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Operations
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Posted - 2013.01.07 18:45:00 -
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Miss Piggy wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Vilnius Zar wrote:Watch it happen, in a country full of bizarre extremes and zero logic clowns anything is possible. As a non-proud American...."I heartily endorse this statement". GTFO then european nirvana is thataway ! Your in the minority so you would not be missed.
Denial is always an ugly, ugly thing to watch.
GÇ£Be yourself; everyone else is already taken.GÇ¥
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Operations
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Posted - 2013.01.07 18:49:00 -
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Noriko Satomi wrote:There are a number of symptoms that all come together to produce this stupidity:
[list]
The self-esteem movement
The anti-morals, anti-values movement
tl;dr: Damn hippies.
Good post but I cannot agree on these 2 points.
"Anti-morals, anti-value" is a self-accepted thing and not a 'movement' by any definition. Also, none of this has a thing to do with self-esteem.
IT DOES have to do with Self Entitlement. Almost entirely. It's the Age of Self-Entitlement we live in.
Also, the original hippies have nothing to do with this at all. They could not even stay organized for 24 months before imploding.
Not harshing, and the idea are in the right place, just wrongly identified imho.
GÇ£Be yourself; everyone else is already taken.GÇ¥
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Noriko Satomi
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.01.07 19:11:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Noriko Satomi wrote:There are a number of symptoms that all come together to produce this stupidity:
- The self-esteem movement
- The anti-morals, anti-values movement
tl;dr: Damn hippies. Good post but I cannot agree on these 2 points. "Anti-morals, anti-value" is a self-accepted thing and not a 'movement' by any definition. Also, none of this has a thing to do with self-esteem. IT DOES have to do with Self Entitlement. Almost entirely. It's the Age of Self-Entitlement we live in. Also, the original hippies have nothing to do with this at all. They could not even stay organized for 24 months before imploding. Not harshing, and the idea are in the right place, just wrongly identified imho.
I'd assert that the over-emphasis on high self-esteem generated self-entitlement as a result.
"You're great, you deserve better, go easy on yourself." --> "I deserve better, it's not my fault, I should get special consideration because I'm special."
As for the anti-moral, anti-value movement, I'll agree that there aren't many who would self-identify under that label. There are a number of organized efforts (with legions of people who generally agree with the fad) whose actions distill down to this, even if unwittingly. It goes beyond a simple disbelief in religion. A lot of it comes from attacking morals because of their association with religion. Even the root of the word "good" comes from the word "god" and that's enough cause to attack the notion for some. Orwell did a better job of explaining that path.
As for hippies, they had children and that generation is starting to reach their forties and fifties. Those children, reared by hippies, and is some cases those same hippies are the professors and administrators of today. After all, why grow up and leave school? That's such a hassle man. |
Khergit Deserters
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Posted - 2013.01.07 19:40:00 -
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Logically, they need to also sue the U.S. Federal government. After all, it repealed the Prohibition amendment and turned demon rum loose for potential addicts to abuse. Besides that, it makes a profit in taxes on alcohol, no? As do the states and the local municipalities. All complicit in encouraging addiction, and all profiting from it. Therefore they're all potential defendants.
While they're at it, they should sue the ancient Egyptians. The Egyptians might not have invented beer, but they can't deny that they were producing it long, long ago. Irrefutable evidence of beer production can be found through chemical analysis of old Egyptian grog pots. Given their influence as a major cradle of civilization, they can hardly deny their liability as an early and irresponsible spreader of the worldwide beer addiction.
And don't forget the gun industry. At least one of the addicts is in prison for using a gun on somebody. Which, but for the gun manufactures, would not have been available to him as a beer addict. No gun, beer addict cannot shoot anyone. Res ipsa loquitur. And better join the ancient Chinese as defendants too. Those negligent gunpowder-inventing fools. The consequences (that a beer addict would someday end up in prison for shooting somebody with a firearm) were foreseeable. That is, if we can prove that the ancient Chinese had beer, knew about beer, or should have known about beer. A reasonably person person with knowledge of beer, or the duty to learn about beer, would not invent an explosive substance. Even if it was just intended for use in fireworks.
'The difference between you and me is, I know I'm crazy.'-á
-The late Jack H.-- old Texas guy, professional fish poacher, wise man |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Operations
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Posted - 2013.01.07 20:25:00 -
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Khergit Deserters wrote:
And don't forget the gun industry. At least one of the addicts is in prison for using a gun on somebody. Which, but for the gun manufactures, would not have been available to him as a beer addict. No gun, beer addict cannot shoot anyone. Res ipsa loquitur.
Gee, thanks for getting the thread locked now.
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