This is coming from the alliance who got tired of FW and told many times they wont undock to chase some silly Caldari, they only fight "worthy opponents in capital ships".

Is it too much to ask for the worthy opponents to be caldari?

To be fair, we did capture an unrestricted with a Nyx, so I think that follows alliance mentality.

The two seeding systems to use as starter point would be nice place for ppl like me to live

Good to see your old buddies, Wolfsbrigade on that screenshot.

Separate isk/lp rewards from system sov capture: FW needs two separate GÇ£LPGÇ¥ systems as capturing Sov should not have a direct isk or LP benefit. I would recommend the creation of GÇ£Capture PointsGÇ¥ (or whatever name you like) that are rewards for plexing and are spent upgrading systems. The level of warzone control and the system upgrade levels would still have the same benefits they do now. The actual isk benefits of controlling the warzone will come from these benefits that change other mechanics (increased mission LP rewards, increased LP payout for FW PVP kills, etc) instead of directly from the act of capturing the warzone.

War shouldnGÇÖt be profitable, but controlling space should be.

Give us a clear warzone frontline: require capture to take place next to an adjacent friendly system. Allowing the players to create a clearly defined front line would go a long way to improving the GÇ£War ZoneGÇ¥ feeling of FW. I envision a system similar to territory capture in Risk . Each faction has two low-sec GÇ£seeding systemsGÇ¥ that have unchangeable sov; these systems would act as the starting point for each faction to begin their respective invasion of the warzone. They would begin the invasion by capturing the systems adjacent to the seed systems and then work out from there. It would be possible to create islands of sov, should strategic choke systems be flipped.

Which would create a ridiculous financial incentive to join the militia that is already winning, creating a snowball mechanic that would ultimately end in one side permanently winning and just farming LP all day every day. Remember, we did this before, back when warzone tiers affected LP store prices in a huge way (and thus, you could not earn any real money from LP as a member of the losing militias). The amarr militia pretty much ceased to exist. Unsurprisingly, they started actually fighting and taking systems when Retribution came and modified that mechanic (ie gave them an incentive to exist and fight).

The real purpose of suggestion #1 in the OP is to turn contesting systems from something people do on accident (I'm really here to farm, contesting the system was not my goal) to something people do on purpose (I'm contesting this systems so I can use get more LP from PVP kills).

I think this happens a lot less often then you think. Looking at the top 10 systems for violence on the Gal side (taken from eve-kill), we have:

Hm. Well, apparently I read a line and just started typing. I do that. My bad.

The problem with your suggestion is that a militia is not a single entity. It is a bunch of different corps, alliances, and individuals. At its peak, my own corp might have ~10-12 people online at once. We are not, ourselves, going to take any systems. We can contribute via plexing, but if we were to dedicate all our time to plexing we would not see even the slighest amount of financial benefit from it.

A large alliance might be able to get away with that...The leadership could work out some sort of incentive system to get people plexing so they can cap systems and reap rewards for a large number of people...But for anything less than that, there is no incentive to plex or get involved in capture mechanics at all. You need to provide an incentive for people to do stuff and not just for the greater good of the militia.

You could see this with the old deplexing mechanics. No one deplexed anything save maybe their home system. There was no point when you could just offensive plex and earn money.



The problem is that no singular person's or small groups' actions will result in an increase in LP from PVP kills.

And these are the reasons I made suggestion #2! By having a front line that is defined, the actions of random groups of small people are guided towards a common goal. Instead of 5 groups of 10 people fighting of random systems all of CalGal space, they will be "directed" to a few systems where the fighting will happen.

Separation of isk rewards and Sov Capture:
Then people would complain that you can make boatloads of isk from FW but not participate in system occupancy warfare. As it is, the system is currently set up so that the most efficient way to make LP/isk is from L4 FW mission, not plexing. So in a sense it is somewhat separated. Smart farmers are gonna farm FW missions.

Front Lines:

Part of the fun of FW is "guerilla warfare" where if you are outnumbered and outmanned you can try to take some remote and insignificant system far away from the front lines (in the hills or swamps). "Adjacent" front lines removes much of that aspect of FW.

As it is, the front lines are currently being drawn naturally since it is easier to take an adjacent system than it is to take one that is far away where you can't dock.

FW is in better shape than it has been for ages.

I like the idea of frontlines and only being able to capture systems adjacent to your own. I however would make it so and system adjacent to your own High sec is always able to be captured to allow the creating of more 'fronts'. However I am finding this already is somewhat taking place in Amarr/minnie WZ.

One thing I also like is guerilla warfare so I would slightly alter mission mechanics so that if you o-plex a system to vulv deep in enemy space you can 'unlock' that system for flipping by having a specifi mission of two that does that (killing the npc 'commander' gives you a 24hr period of vuln status in which the system can be flipped. After all it isn't that hard to flip the ihub. If however the system doesn't get flipped the it gets closed again and dropps to say 50% contested.

The seperate LP for kills/plexing I'm not sure could be done without exploitation or 'alt farming'. I kinda like it but don't want to introduce alt farming. For the seperate LP systems to work you would have to make the system upgrade way more usefull to the militia pilots. Current upgrades probably don't get used enough by the 'losers' to make them something to encourage them to 'fight back' and cap systems.

We already have a de facto frontline based on how the docking rights work.

The easiest places to attack/defend are those near where your own forces are based, and vice versa for the enemy. This reflects real world concepts of supply and logistics. We can attack other places that are deep behind the lines as they exist now, but it is much harder for us to reship or reinforce the attackers there because it's deep in enemy territory. So right now, the activity centers around the docking systems that one can control and ones that you actually move into.

I don't think we need to introduce some artificial mechanic when there are already effects brought on by the de facto frontline system we have now.

This is coming from the alliance who got tired of FW and told many times they wont undock to chase some silly Caldari, they only fight "worthy opponents in capital ships".

There are already well placed neutral low sec systems people can easily do this from.

These can already do the exact same job as a 'seed' system.




Hope you Gals are enjoying Hyk while CERBY and ASIO. still let you have it.

Nothing lasts forever.

The Church of Awesome and Cerby's Christmas pilgrimage(or drinking holiday - call it what you wish) to the holy lands of the mighty Amarr is almost over.

Give us a clear warzone frontline: .

This is coming from the alliance who got tired of FW and told many times they wont undock to chase some silly Caldari, they only fight "worthy opponents in capital ships".

if DnD and LO would stop doing the seventy minus one then they could fight each other and get all the capital fights they could dream of.

Neither of them want to take a risk though so vOv