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Sean Drake
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.01.05 01:57:00 -
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Portia Venetia wrote:In the context of EVE, I think "casual" is best defined by two factors: First, the number of characters/accounts a player puts online at once, and second; the amount of contiguous time they can play.
I consider myself very casual, probably bordering on something most people would call super-casual. Just one account to work with, and on weekdays I login perhaps 10-30 minutes a day (usually to engage in market activity). On weekends, I can manage a bit more contiguous time (2 to 3 hours on one day), so I can do other things, but even that is constrained by time. Activities in EVE consume time like few other games, and the level of planning required means I can plan and execute one activity and then it's done.
High-sec mining is the fastest activity to execute, IMO; I can walk into or out of that in minutes. PvP is usually the slowest; putting a ship together, getting into the empty JC, then tripping over to low-sec and looking for fights. I could walk face-first into a gate camp and speed things up, but that still wouldn't save the time of putting a ship together (the same applies to high-sec ganking). The next slowest would be missions (again, in high-sec). They seem to drag on forever.
No matter what I select though, it's usually just one thing for the session and then I'm out of time.
I'd actually love to know the opposite answer to this question; how much time do the "hardcore" players pour into this game. I can't imagine being online for something like 8 hours straight, but I'm sure there's people that do.
When I played EvE what I would consider in a Hardcore manner while off sick from work, I was on at least 7-8 hrs a day I took part in missions late in the us tz while I am in the uk so that I could still spend time with mygf/family and took part in alarm clock ops against pos etc. I got an email one xmas day asking me to log on as I was a pos gunner and we were under attack and sneaked away from the festivites to do so. I once played 17 hrs solid and eventually logged off after a corp mate woke me up shouting me on ts after I had fallen asleep and face planted onto the keyboard typing "luh[';/kj[iujh[.;'il[u" in corp chat. Basically for 4 years a big part of my life revolved around EvE and I would have at that time considered alot of my corp mates among my closest friends. Then between alliance/corp wide burnout and real life the fun dropped out of the game for me, because at the end of the day for me it was the people that made the game, I found that without the corp and people I had been with for nearly 5 years there was no fun. At this point I stopped playing all together and just whored sp until my sub expired.
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Mister S Burke
Giant Space Squid Mining Corporation
6
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Posted - 2013.01.05 02:50:00 -
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Now be warned I am whipping out my large paintbrush here but let me take a stab at this. I don't think casual vs. non-casual can be measured in pure hours played, I think it's an attitude. In my opinion the "non-casual" is the quintessential stereotypical fat no girl getting nerd who is trying to get even with the bully back in high school thru griefing online. ie the Southpark nerd with his gut and carpel tunnel brace from the Warcraft episode. This gamer has probably been gaming way before it was mainstream and has not gotten over the whole "this is serious business and I'm your intellectual superior because I game" mindset. These guys are easy to spot, they are typically angry and posting about why no one wants to walk thru their gate camp because they are too busy having fun in hisec. They also loose their minds when a girl gets on vent because they never get to interact with on in real life. It's sad. The casual is a newish phenomenon that I would say came about in the last decade and are the vast majority of the gaming market. They want to get on, have some fun drink some beers and go on with their life. They shower often. The word geek is not a derogatory term anymore, it's ok to be nerdy and you don't have to lie about gaming. It's ok to play some sword and board MMO here and there. These are regular people who get laid and have wives and girlfriends, plus they game as well. These gamers don't want to sit for 8 hours in a raid with 40 people listening to "come on guys, come on guys" over and over. Granted these people are mostly over on consoles playing Call of Wackamole, but there are plenty of "serious gamers" there too.
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Sab Sab Five
Purging Maelstrom Villore Accords
3
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Posted - 2013.01.05 05:13:00 -
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i r kasual, but EVE is definately the last game i will pay for month to month....
It super caters to me and my insane schedule by allowing me to play when i want, but level always... Skill Up!!
more than any MMO it caters to casuals in terms of the skill que, ,but also vastly rewards those who spend time getting to know its other aspects.
EVE also has the best a**holes of any game i have ever played, and that makes me every time i log in |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1314
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Posted - 2013.01.05 05:17:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Nexus Day wrote:Stop worrying so much about how other people play the game and you might enjoy EvE even more than you do now. Damn that was quick, only 1 post in and the "play style" crap starts. If you can't answer the OP's question, why did you feel this overwhelming urge to post what amounts to nothing?
It's a ******** question. |
Celly Smunt
Viziam Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2013.01.05 05:48:00 -
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Karrl Tian wrote:"Casual players" tend to not be, and the term is often used as a shield because it's an "everyman" term (think politics). But the real casuals are just playing the game in whatever niche they've found, are happy with it, and don't give two ***** what the grand vision is.
^^ pretty much this ^^
Don't mistake fact for arrogance, supposition for fact, or disagreement for dismissal. Perception is unique in that it can be shared or be singular. Run with the pack if you wish, but think for yourself. A sandwich can be a great motivator. |
Super spikinator
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
22
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Posted - 2013.01.05 06:04:00 -
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Some Rando wrote:I keep seeing that definition thrown around:
"EVE should cater to casual players" "I'm more of a casual player" "EVE doesn't appeal to casual players"
Is this some code-phrase for carebear? I consider myself a casual player, maybe getting two or three hours of play in roughly three days a week and, while I do my share of bearing, I also enjoy some small gang and solo PvP.
I'd hate to think that actual casual players of EVE get lumped into the same category as 23.5/7 AFK ice mining carebears who don't PvP.
The general commercial (Devs, PR, etc) usage for a casual player is a unique account that logs on for 10-15 hours or less a week.
The Player definition is generally "What I, or my friends are not but those other guys are" or "what I am but not what groups of players are". |
Mr Pragmatic
466
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Posted - 2013.01.05 09:04:00 -
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-A casual player is someone who doesn't give a crap. -They wait for the next big mmo to come out. -Someone who doesn't come to the forums. -A person who can take a 2 week break and not miss anything. -etc Vote for me in the next CSM Elections. I will fight for the interest of all Hi-sec dwellers. No longer will you be cast aside and disparaged. |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Air The Unthinkables
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Posted - 2013.01.05 09:21:00 -
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casual player:
- not really interested in game community - not really interested in overall health of the game - not really interested in anything involving deferred gratification - not really interested in understanding the nuances and finer knowledge of the game |
Doddy
Excidium.
818
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Posted - 2013.01.05 09:35:00 -
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Some Rando wrote:I keep seeing that definition thrown around:
"EVE should cater to casual players" "I'm more of a casual player" "EVE doesn't appeal to casual players"
Is this some code-phrase for carebear? I consider myself a casual player, maybe getting two or three hours of play in roughly three days a week and, while I do my share of bearing, I also enjoy some small gang and solo PvP.
I'd hate to think that actual casual players of EVE get lumped into the same category as 23.5/7 AFK ice mining carebears who don't PvP.
Casual player only has connections to carebearism or pve because it is harder to be a casual pvper in many cases (though not all). A casual player is someone who pops on for short periods of gameplay at irregular times as you know rl is more important. Obviously if you do missions or mining this is very straight forward. If you do fleet combat though it gets more complicated. Casual players won't necessarily be around when ops are timed and so can miss out. They may also find themselves having to log out in mid-op possibly in hostile space. They also won't have as much time online to do the logistics involved in replacing particular ships or movement ops to front lines etc. This again varies alot though as the bigger alliances have round the clock ops and ship replacement programs.
Some style of pvp do lend themselves to casual players though. Sadly ccp has been nerfing these. Solo ganking was always casual, log on, pop barge, log off satisfied. It has been nerfed. Can flipping related pvp was casual, it has been nerfed through crimewatch (to an extent). Solo hunting in a bomber etc was great casual game play (log on in enemy system, pop ratter, log off) but has been nerfed by dumb npc aggro mechanics (rats defend ratters now). Old war dec farming corps like privateers were great for casual play too but were nerfed long ago. CCP has also been resistant to adding any casual pvp content like arenas or pvp flagging (for good reasons IMO).
Casual pvp styles that still work will are most things solo, and then group related pvp that tends to stay in the same place and not be too time orientated. Of the top of my head these would be Red versus Blue, faction warfare and any camping orientated pirate groups that hold rolling gate camps in one system. In these three cases you can log on and join in at pretty much any time you fancy.
Eve pvp is alot less casual than most games, so people wanting a quick fix are more likely to just load up something else. When I have a spare 30 mins i don't log on to eve, i log on to WOT and i think alot of others are the same. When i have time off work etc then i can play less casually and eve is a much more attractive proposition. |
TharOkha
0asis Group
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Posted - 2013.01.05 09:40:00 -
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Some Rando wrote:Nexus Day wrote:Stop worrying so much about how other people play the game and you might enjoy EvE even more than you do now. The entitlement started early, I guess I'll have to settle for no answer to my question. Welp. Accualy, Nexus answered your question well. GÇ£If reality can destroy the dream, why shouldn't the dream destroy reality?GÇ¥ |
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
3619
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Posted - 2013.01.05 09:42:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:the "casual player", for the purpose of these sort of talks is someone who:
- not really interested in game community - not really interested in overall health of the game - not really interested in anything involving deferred gratification - not really interested in understanding the nuances and finer knowledge of the game
- I play 1 hour a week. - I am interested in overall health of the game, focusing on its markets - Gratification: I have bought on Nov the stuff making me money on May 2013 and on July 2013 I'll buy the stuff making me money on Nov 2013. - I am quite interested in understanding the nuances and finer knowledge of the game.
What's that? Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Alice Klein
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Posted - 2013.01.05 09:50:00 -
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it's pretty simple, when it comes to Steam and other websites, the term "casual" tends to cater to the style of Facebook gaming or Xbox Live Arcade gaming... games that take 5-15 minutes of play time. Other sites like pogo.com and king.com etc
When it comes to World of Warcraft, the casual gamer would log on for 30 minutes doing 1 dungeon or 1 battleground and go back to his regular life. A hardcore gamer would be part of a raiding guild.
There is no casual gaming in eve unless you log in 30 min to chat or do 1-2 missions. Other than that I can't really think of anything else.
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Doddy
Excidium.
818
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Posted - 2013.01.05 10:05:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:the "casual player", for the purpose of these sort of talks is someone who:
- not really interested in game community - not really interested in overall health of the game - not really interested in anything involving deferred gratification - not really interested in understanding the nuances and finer knowledge of the game
This is in fact rubbish. Especially the deferred gratification part which is fully in opposite land, a casual player will take far longer to reach their goals in eve than a hardcore player.
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Your Royal Highness
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2013.01.05 14:42:00 -
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Some Rando wrote:I keep seeing that definition thrown around:
"EVE should cater to casual players" "I'm more of a casual player" "EVE doesn't appeal to casual players"
Is this some code-phrase for carebear? I consider myself a casual player, maybe getting two or three hours of play in roughly three days a week and, while I do my share of bearing, I also enjoy some small gang and solo PvP.
I'd hate to think that actual casual players of EVE get lumped into the same category as 23.5/7 AFK ice mining carebears who don't PvP.
If you were a casual player, you wouldn't even bother asking this question...
It's not what you do in-game, it is a mindset. Maybe I'll log in today, maybe I won't. If I do, I'll potter around doing something that may or may not hold my interest for a while. Maybe mine for a bit, or reboot PI, or run a mission for a change.
Casual players don't worry if their skill queue runs out. If it misses a few days, who cares? It is still there when you next log in.
Many vets become casual players who are over-familiar with the game but haven't bothered to cancel their subs yet. |
Dave stark
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Posted - 2013.01.05 15:07:00 -
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Doddy wrote:a casual player will take far longer to reach their goals in eve than a hardcore player.
that's pretty much why they need instant gratification. if it takes them too long to feel any kind of gratification do you really think they'll stick around?
it is, on the other hand, a reason why the real time skill queue is so nice. if they don't get much time to play they hear the "skill completed thing" on a higher proportion of their log ins than a "hardcore" player. "100k for notifications of stupidity, i love this bounty system." |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
258
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Posted - 2013.01.05 16:48:00 -
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I'd define myself as casual in a sense thet there are probably a crapton of people more hardcore then me. I'd define myself as hardcore for, well... playing a hardcore MMORPG among hundreds of casual ones. I'll keep it at that before I confuse myself again over playing a hardcore game pretty casually, but I don't consider a casual player to be the same as a carebear. Carebearing can get extreme if you ask me. I'd say carebearing is more of an abstract attitude towards the sandbox, wheres casual play is more of a time and sanity restraint. |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
258
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Posted - 2013.01.05 16:52:00 -
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Doddy wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:the "casual player", for the purpose of these sort of talks is someone who:
- not really interested in game community - not really interested in overall health of the game - not really interested in anything involving deferred gratification - not really interested in understanding the nuances and finer knowledge of the game This is in fact rubbish. Especially the deferred gratification part which is fully in opposite land, a casual player will take far longer to reach their goals in eve than a hardcore player.
I think this is actually quite spot on. I consider myself casual in the sense that I don't give a damn if we achieve X now, tomorrow, next week or next month. I leave freaking out over efficiency to the hardcore spreadsheet maker or KM collector . So yeah, casual doesn't need to mean not really interested but rather slower to develop these points, or taking a more relaxed stance on things. |
Solstice Project
Join me if you hate people
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Posted - 2013.01.05 17:01:00 -
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IT DOESN'T MATTER how we define it AS LONG AS WE KILL IT AND GET RID OF IT ! Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
437
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Posted - 2013.01.05 17:10:00 -
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Portia Venetia wrote:In the context of EVE, I think "casual" is best defined by two factors: First, the number of characters/accounts a player puts online at once, and second; the amount of contiguous time they can play.
I consider myself very casual, probably bordering on something most people would call super-casual. Just one account to work with, and on weekdays I login perhaps 10-30 minutes a day (usually to engage in market activity). On weekends, I can manage a bit more contiguous time (2 to 3 hours on one day), so I can do other things, but even that is constrained by time. Activities in EVE consume time like few other games, and the level of planning required means I can plan and execute one activity and then it's done.
High-sec mining is the fastest activity to execute, IMO; I can walk into or out of that in minutes. PvP is usually the slowest; putting a ship together, getting into the empty JC, then tripping over to low-sec and looking for fights. I could walk face-first into a gate camp and speed things up, but that still wouldn't save the time of putting a ship together (the same applies to high-sec ganking). The next slowest would be missions (again, in high-sec). They seem to drag on forever.
No matter what I select though, it's usually just one thing for the session and then I'm out of time.
I'd actually love to know the opposite answer to this question; how much time do the "hardcore" players pour into this game. I can't imagine being online for something like 8 hours straight, but I'm sure there's people that do.
How much isk can you do in your session? -then compare it to guys talking about 100M/h and figure some are really insane. At some point the game doesn't fit that much for casuals and it becomes worst at each income form nerf, only hope it's not nerf at the point if you want to play you'll have to buy plexon, which hardcore players are asking and seems CCP is on the same track these two last expansions.
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Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
437
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Posted - 2013.01.05 17:15:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:IT DOESN'T MATTER how we define them AS LONG AS WE KILL THEM AND GET RID OF THEM !
I'm sure you'd be happy shooting your alts or someone else alts like little boys playing with plumb soldiers. As casual I casual I'm interested to know if CCP wants my money or not, if they don't it's not a problem, someone else will. |
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Solstice Project
Join me if you hate people
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Posted - 2013.01.05 17:19:00 -
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Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:Solstice Project wrote:IT DOESN'T MATTER how we define them AS LONG AS WE KILL THEM AND GET RID OF THEM ! I'm sure you'd be happy shooting your alts or someone else alts like little boys playing with plumb soldiers. As casual I'm interested to know if CCP wants my money or not, if they don't it's not a problem, someone else will. Why do you hide behind an NPC alt, coward ?
Ah yes ... because you're a coward.
Unlike you, i don't use alts. I don't need to hide. It's a game, you coward.
In this game, the only reason people tolerate you, is because, as long as you stay, we can shoot you !
Now **** off ! Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
Cannibal Kane
Chosen of New Eden
1194
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Posted - 2013.01.05 17:32:00 -
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Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:Portia Venetia wrote:In the context of EVE, I think "casual" is best defined by two factors: First, the number of characters/accounts a player puts online at once, and second; the amount of contiguous time they can play.
I consider myself very casual, probably bordering on something most people would call super-casual. Just one account to work with, and on weekdays I login perhaps 10-30 minutes a day (usually to engage in market activity). On weekends, I can manage a bit more contiguous time (2 to 3 hours on one day), so I can do other things, but even that is constrained by time. Activities in EVE consume time like few other games, and the level of planning required means I can plan and execute one activity and then it's done.
High-sec mining is the fastest activity to execute, IMO; I can walk into or out of that in minutes. PvP is usually the slowest; putting a ship together, getting into the empty JC, then tripping over to low-sec and looking for fights. I could walk face-first into a gate camp and speed things up, but that still wouldn't save the time of putting a ship together (the same applies to high-sec ganking). The next slowest would be missions (again, in high-sec). They seem to drag on forever.
No matter what I select though, it's usually just one thing for the session and then I'm out of time.
I'd actually love to know the opposite answer to this question; how much time do the "hardcore" players pour into this game. I can't imagine being online for something like 8 hours straight, but I'm sure there's people that do. How much isk can you do in your session? -then compare it to guys talking about 100M/h and figure some are really insane. At some point the game doesn't fit that much for casuals and it becomes worst at each income form nerf, only hope it's not nerf at the point if you want to play you'll have to buy plexon, which hardcore players are asking and seems CCP is on the same track these two last expansions.
I am a casual player... If you go on time spend on EVE.
I do maybe a few hours a week but to my targets I appear online 24/7 since I keep my client running.
I made 1.6 billion isk this week. And that took me 30 minutes of talking to 3 people.
People need to stop this crap info they pull out of their arses. Casual/harcore does not really apply so much to EVE. "I saw him fight by the monument in Jita. -áHe flowed in his Machariel like a Shinto spirit, 800MM shells sprouting in his passing. -áHis hair flowed in the corona of his target's warp core breach. -áIt was truly majestic. -áAnd while everyone stared in awe I stole the loot and ran off.-áBecause I am like that." --áNEONOVUS |
Dave stark
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Posted - 2013.01.05 17:36:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote: Why do you hide behind an NPC alt, coward ?
hey, some of us npc corp types are actually mains living in our wardec immune havens! "100k for notifications of stupidity, i love this bounty system." |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
437
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Posted - 2013.01.05 17:37:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:Solstice Project wrote:IT DOESN'T MATTER how we define them AS LONG AS WE KILL THEM AND GET RID OF THEM ! I'm sure you'd be happy shooting your alts or someone else alts like little boys playing with plumb soldiers. As casual I'm interested to know if CCP wants my money or not, if they don't it's not a problem, someone else will. Why do you hide behind an NPC alt, coward ? Ah yes ... because you're a coward. Unlike you, i don't use alts. I don't need to hide. It's a game, you coward. In this game, the only reason people tolerate casuals, is because, as long as they stay, we can shoot them !
To make arrogant little people like you moan and cry about, and it works.
Your tears are simply delicious. Cry me a river baby !!
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Solstice Project
Join me if you hate people
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Posted - 2013.01.05 17:40:00 -
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Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:Solstice Project wrote:Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:Solstice Project wrote:IT DOESN'T MATTER how we define them AS LONG AS WE KILL THEM AND GET RID OF THEM ! I'm sure you'd be happy shooting your alts or someone else alts like little boys playing with plumb soldiers. As casual I'm interested to know if CCP wants my money or not, if they don't it's not a problem, someone else will. Why do you hide behind an NPC alt, coward ? Ah yes ... because you're a coward. Unlike you, i don't use alts. I don't need to hide. It's a game, you coward. In this game, the only reason people tolerate casuals, is because, as long as they stay, we can shoot them ! To make arrogant little people like you moan and cry about, and it works. Your tears are simply delicious. Cry me a river baby !! Congratulations for projecting your own issues onto others. Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
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CCP Eterne
C C P C C P Alliance
1827
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Posted - 2013.01.05 20:39:00 -
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I have removed some personal attacks from this thread. Community Representative GÇ+ EVE Illuminati GÇ+ Fiction Adept
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TharOkha
0asis Group
483
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Posted - 2013.01.05 20:55:00 -
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Some Rando wrote: Carebear is an excellent word that adequately describes the "leave me alone to play my game" mentality of certain players who can't reconcile the fact that they're playing in a PvP environment.
Maybe you should reconcile the fact that PvP doesnt mean "pew-pew" only. GÇ£If reality can destroy the dream, why shouldn't the dream destroy reality?GÇ¥ |
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