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Lawful
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Posted - 2005.06.12 23:35:00 -
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I recently started playing this game and, not fully understanding the attribute system(not to mention having a few stats mixed up in my head), I think I screwed up my attributes. I'd like some opinions on how viable this is:
(base stats, before learning skills)
Int: 8
Perc: 5
Cha: 3
Will: 15
Mem: 8
For whatever reason, I thought willpower was perception and went gung-ho with it. My character is only two weeks old, so if I'm going to remake, I probably shouldn't wait. Whiiich is why I'm asking for opinions. These stats: borked or no?
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Lawful
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Posted - 2005.06.12 23:38:00 -
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OH, forgot to mention. I intend to take a more combat oriented path. I don't particularly care if it's electronic warfare or actual weaponry.. however, Amarr ships do tend to be one sided.
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Aimar
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Posted - 2005.06.13 00:02:00 -
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For combat im afraid so mate, pretty much. That Perception of 5 you have is going to bite your ass for the next 2 years. Sorry 
Atleast if you re-gen now you know what to look for 
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Ryzolette
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Posted - 2005.06.13 02:04:00 -
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Aye reroll if you want combat. Perception of 5 is simply too low. Try to have high perception and high intelligence with perception being 1-2 points higher.
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Selim
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Posted - 2005.06.13 03:02:00 -
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Isnt it funny how just about everyone agrees that all attributes suck except perc and maybe int?
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Tinilla
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Posted - 2005.06.13 08:00:00 -
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whew, I was afraid my miner set up may have gimped me too. I started with
7 int
10 perception
8 charisma
6 will
11 memory
and with 700k sp sunk in learning skills I'd be very lothe to reroll now
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Two Minds
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Posted - 2005.06.13 14:48:00 -
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my character also for some reason has very low pereption, i tried to get it right but could not get it set. My will power is uber low and my perception very high :/ Its all good though, in the end it sort of balances out, still would rather have higher perception than will power though :) But oh well.
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hectiQ
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Posted - 2005.06.13 17:31:00 -
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i started with perception 3 ... 
going to be 16 soon with adv lvl 4 and +3 implant
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Deileon
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Posted - 2005.06.13 21:33:00 -
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 Originally by: Lawful
(base stats, before learning skills)
Int: 8
Perc: 5
Cha: 3
Will: 15
Mem: 8
borked or no?
You actually got your base stats reported correctly (unusual!) I don't think your stats are as bad as people are saying. Everyone knows perc is the most important stat, but almost always needs a secondary of will, and you have a HUGE will (your subclass simply has high will and low perc - unavoidable.) Your Int/Mem score is 12 and Perc/Will score is 12.5. That's pretty good (my base perc/will score is only 10... though my int/mem is 15 :D) My idealized balanced setup for your subclass is this:
Int: 9
Perc: 7
Cha: 4
Will: 10
Mem: 9
Scores: Int/Mem 13.5, Perc/Will 12
Which actually has slightly less perc/will than you have right now. Of course if you want all-out combat for Amarr subclass, it would be more like this:
Int: 7
Perc: 7
Cha: 3
Will: 16
Mem: 6
Scores: Int/Mem 10, Perc/Will 15
Not to mention, in any case you will train like crazy for tech 2 ships which are will/perc. First glance would always tell a person with 5 perc to start over, but in your case I definitely would not, with 2 weeks training already done.
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infused
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Posted - 2005.06.14 01:33:00 -
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I restarted with a poor attribute character at 2.5m skill points, only now have I recovered, 3 months later. What a waste of 6 months, but hey.
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Tobiaz
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Posted - 2005.06.14 11:21:00 -
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Having not the best attributes is not the end of the world mate.
After 5-10M skillpoints it becomes more a question who has the smarted loadout and tactics then who has the most skillpoints.
Specialisation is the key in catching up quickly with all those 25M skillpoint pilots.
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Thidrek
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Posted - 2005.06.16 14:28:00 -
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Originally by: Selim
Isnt it funny how just about everyone agrees that all attributes suck except perc and maybe int?
I don't agree. Ofcource all attributes are equal important (inspite of learning skills take Int+Mem), all depends what you want to do in game.
Still as a realtive new player I ask: what "line" or skills to aim for if you want to make use of the fact Willpower, followed my Memory, is your highest attribute?
Any skills take Willpower + Memory (in that order)?
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Deileon
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Posted - 2005.06.16 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: Thidrek
I don't agree. Ofcource all attributes are equal important (inspite of learning skills take Int+Mem), all depends what you want to do in game.
Still as a realtive new player I ask: what "line" or skills to aim for if you want to make use of the fact Willpower, followed my Memory, is your highest attribute? Any skills take Willpower + Memory (in that order)?
If you admit you're a new player and don't even know which skill trees take what, you can't make any meaningful statements about "all attributes are equally important." They just AREN'T.
As referenced by someone recently, it breaks down as Perc, Int, Mem, Will, and Char, in that order. And most of the differences aren't even remotely close. Charisma is so bad, that even a full-time agent-running CEO-of-the-biggest-possible-corp, wouldn't really benefit from huge charisma. 8 base, maybe.
High willpower will be your secondary for ship/weapons, and primary for tech 2 ships. That's the bulk of it.
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Rodge
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Posted - 2005.06.16 16:21:00 -
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I mostly train combat skills now.
I have 6 base perc and 5 base willpower 
Still, I now have 20 perc (+3 implant, clarity level 5) and 17 will (+2 implant, focus level 4) which isn't terrible.
24 int without an implant is quite useful, I must say.
I'll never catch up on high perc/will characters, but skillpoints aren't everything.
So you're not totally borked with high willpower. If you were going to re-roll, then moving some will into perc would make for some very nice starting stats (I would love a base char of 3!!!)
But it really won't kill you to keep that character.
Welcome to Eve btw!
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Messerschmitt facility
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Posted - 2005.06.17 07:26:00 -
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Don't reroll anything, as long as you have that charisma as low as possible, all other atributes are higher, so you are on the good track. Especialy if you have one single characters that do evrything like me 
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Thidrek
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Posted - 2005.06.17 15:56:00 -
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Edited by: Thidrek on 17/06/2005 15:59:44
Originally by: Deileon
... you can't make any meaningful statements about "all attributes are equally important ...
... High willpower will be your secondary for ship/weapons, and primary for tech 2 ships. That's the bulk of it.
I dont think the first statement is very constructive. Dont want to go very deep into the classical discussion: "Since you dont know anything, be quiet", but ...
My point was not made clear. Perception is an important attribute for any "aggressive skill", best examples are in Space command (I find bigger ships more aggressive). But everyoone might not see the goal of their game as beeing an uber fighter in 0.0. You can have fun in the game the way you like to play without having high perception. In my post I just answered the statement: "everyone thinks perecption is the most important" (not by word here), and said I don't think it is. And I don't. Not for me.
Anyways, thanks for your reply to my question. If I understood correctly its lvl 2 stuff then.
PS. Also look at the statement I answered:
Originally by: Selim
Isnt it funny how just about everyone agrees that all attributes suck except perc and maybe int?
I do not think "all attributes SUCK except ...".
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TimeKeepr
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Posted - 2005.06.17 20:59:00 -
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well your (the op) perc/will score is better than mine when i started. my perc/will score when i started was 8.5, but then my int/mem score was 16. i never considered myself gimped. your attributes are pretty good really.
my starting attributes were
10 int
6 perc
6 char
5 will
12 mem
i think you should stay the way you are. your char is very low, and thats a good thing.
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Vincent Lawful
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Posted - 2005.06.20 02:12:00 -
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Well, I ended up rerolling. I'm very satisfied with the results, and I thank you all for your input. I had taken a good look at everything that willpower supported and unfortunently.. they were all tied to perception or charisma. Neither of which were very redeemable.
My new base stats are a bit more well rounded, with a slight focus on what I'm after:
Intelligence 7
Perception 11
Charisma 6
Willpower 9
Memory 6
Given how much I'm liking this game (maaan how I wish I had of started sooner..), I ended up making a second account to do the non-combat stuff.
Anyways, thanks again everyone.
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Jhaaz
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Posted - 2005.06.20 02:26:00 -
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