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Ivy Romanova
All Your Machariel Belong to Ham Industrial Technonauts
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Posted - 2013.01.05 04:08:00 -
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Every two seconds, an area of asteroid field the size of Jita is lost due to belt stripping or destructive practices. Seventy two per cent of Caldari's intact asteroid landscapes and 55 per cent of the Null's have already been lost forever. Now the Gallante's belts face the same threat.
While the causes vary from region to region, they all have one thing in common: strip mining. Through orca stripping ,mob mining, multiboxing and crappy spawn, humankind is wiping out the asteroid belts - and the life that depends on them - at a terrifying pace.
What is being practiced now is unsustainable and will only harm the benefits of future generations(as in belt generations). As the belts are stripped of their minerals , the upcoming spawn will be much smaller in quantity and much lower in quality.
For the sake of your own profit and the benefit of the whole of New Eden. Save the asteroid belts ,not just for your neighbors ,but also for yourself A sex symbol becomes a thing. I just hate to be a thing. -Marilyn Monroe
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Thomas Hurt
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.01.05 04:10:00 -
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Good post, and something I think a lot of players overlook. Your average EVE denizen's thought process goes something like "hurr durr me mine belt, belt grow back eventually"; ignoring of course the tedious and manpower-consuming coding that goes into generating a new virtual resource. |

Ivy Romanova
All Your Machariel Belong to Ham Industrial Technonauts
711
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Posted - 2013.01.05 04:20:00 -
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Thomas Hurt wrote:Good post, and something I think a lot of players overlook. Your average EVE denizen's thought process goes something like "hurr durr me mine belt, belt grow back eventually"; ignoring of course the tedious and manpower-consuming coding that goes into generating a new virtual resource.
EXACTLY! and we must raise awareness about that issue if we were to survive the end of this century A sex symbol becomes a thing. I just hate to be a thing. -Marilyn Monroe
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Some Rando
University of Caille Gallente Federation
628
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Posted - 2013.01.05 04:20:00 -
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No miner will heed or even read your warning; they have proven themselves to be AFK. CONCORD itself is complicit in the **** of our natural wildlands. Again and again, the high-sec miner has shown himself to be the absolute scum of New Eden, the very instrument of death that will rob our children of their legacy. Since we cannot count on the miners themselves to curb this abuse, we must take up arms against them. I call on all good capsuleers to destroy all mining vessels found within Empire space. |
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ISD Cyberdyne
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
711

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Posted - 2013.01.05 04:23:00 -
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The first step to making change is to educate others.
Firstly, you need to understand the "root" element being discussed: Asteroids
Asteroids are located throughout New Eden in Asteroid Belts which are mined with various ships for various purposes. For those wishing to learn more about finding Asteriod types, feel free to click here.
The most important thing to understand here to continue the flow of New Eden is to understand how to mine. I'm certain that this information would provide all would-be miners with the needed tools and knowledgebase to be effective miners in New Eden.
Hopefully this provides some foundation for discussion as many here have expertise in this area and can provide a plethora of knowledge on the industrial aspects of the game. Enjoy :) ISD Cyberdyne Ensign Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
6125
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Posted - 2013.01.05 04:26:00 -
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ISD Cyberdyne wrote:The first step to making change is to educate others. Firstly, you need to understand the "root" element being discussed: AsteroidsAsteroids are located throughout New Eden in Asteroid Belts which are mined with various ships for various purposes. For those wishing to learn more about finding Asteriod types, feel free to click here. The most important thing to understand here to continue the flow of New Eden is to understand how to mine. I'm certain that this information would provide all would-be miners with the needed tools and knowledgebase to be effective miners in New Eden. Hopefully this provides some foundation for discussion as many here have expertise in this area and can provide a plethora of knowledge on the industrial aspects of the game. Enjoy :)
Sir, I will read the pamphlets on this matter and be a well informed consumer "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |

Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
371
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Posted - 2013.01.05 04:48:00 -
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Popcorn? Check.
Tinfoil hat? Check.
Tree huggers in a space game? Meh....
Petition for a Minimum bounty of 10 mil. Prevent useless bounties!
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1909

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Posted - 2013.01.05 04:52:00 -
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Actually, this has already been worked into gravimetric sites in Anoikis.
Quote:Although abundant supplies of fullerenes were the darling discovery of the new wormhole regions, the influx of access to more raw minerals was not something that went unnoticed either. For many years, experts had postulated that the current supply in known space was beginning to fall slightly behind demand. Fortunately for all parties involved, the discovery of vast ore deposits in these far-flung, unknown areas ensured that such an event would not happen in the foreseeable future.
You'll see that text pop up any time you warp to a gravimetric site in a wormhole. More rocks are out there, you just have to go looking for them.  ISD Dorrim Barstorlode Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra Gallente Federation
356
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Posted - 2013.01.05 04:52:00 -
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If you don't do it for yourself, do it for the newbies. Won't you think of the newbies. "I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
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Ivy Romanova
All Your Machariel Belong to Ham Industrial Technonauts
712
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Posted - 2013.01.05 04:56:00 -
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Beekeeper Bob wrote:Popcorn? Check. Tinfoil hat? Check. Tree huggers in a space game? Meh.... 
SIR!! Its not just the wellbeing of ourselves we are looking at here !! Legend has it ... LONG before our founding fathers built EvE , there was a distant planet called lurth ,it was a planet where geysers flowed through their lush fertile land.. A PROMISED land from the Gods , but their people betrayed the gods and were hence banished to here ,where a New Eden must be built from blood and sweat of countless generations. .
WE ARE NOT going to let that happen again!!!
JOIN ME and you won't be just feasting on the riches of today but starving tomorrow... The bounty of New Eden will be yours for eternity and more !! A sex symbol becomes a thing. I just hate to be a thing. -Marilyn Monroe
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Toshiroma McDiesel
Lupus Draconis Dragehund
85
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Posted - 2013.01.05 04:57:00 -
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*sniff sniff* Do I smell a raise in price for Hi-Sc minerals?
I think you just gave my wallet a woodie!  I"m not really the Evil One, I'm just his answering service. |

Treo 'Ssard
Hangar 55
9
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Posted - 2013.01.05 04:57:00 -
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Some Rando wrote:No miner will heed or even read your warning; they have proven themselves to be AFK.
I'm not AFK; I'm hurr durr me mine belt.
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Aedh Phelan
Krannon of Sherwood Carthage Empires
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Posted - 2013.01.05 04:59:00 -
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Clearly you fail to understand the catastrophic effects of a ship in warp collidiing with an asteroid!!! Miners deserve the love and...yes... reverence of every capsuleer for their selfless devotion to the practice of clearing these dangerous hazards to navigation.
Fly safe because we make it so. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3190
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Posted - 2013.01.05 05:01:00 -
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Aedh Phelan wrote:Clearly you fail to understand the catastrophic effects of a ship in warp collidiing with an asteroid!!! Miners deserve the love and...yes... reverence of every capsuleer for their selfless devotion to the practice of clearing these dangerous hazards to navigation.
Fly safe because we make it so. I've warped into one before.
It threw me out at a high velocity. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
6125
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Posted - 2013.01.05 05:04:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Aedh Phelan wrote:Clearly you fail to understand the catastrophic effects of a ship in warp collidiing with an asteroid!!! Miners deserve the love and...yes... reverence of every capsuleer for their selfless devotion to the practice of clearing these dangerous hazards to navigation.
Fly safe because we make it so. I've warped into one before. It threw me out at a high velocity.
My wife was killed in a collision with an asteroid when she was in warp. Made a Wile E. Coyote hole in her ship  "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |

Maire Gheren
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.01.05 05:06:00 -
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And what about the planets? They will get mined out to nothing at the same rate. |

Cindy Marco
Expanse Security
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Posted - 2013.01.05 05:10:00 -
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Its a great example of the Tragedy of the commons. Although we all know the horrible harm we are bringing to New Eden we also know that the asteroid fields will be stripped bare.
So why leave others to profit from strip mining, when we ourselves can benefit?
The solution is clear. We require new rules, and direct Concord Intervention on behalf of our beautiful starscapes. |

Ivy Romanova
All Your Machariel Belong to Ham Industrial Technonauts
713
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Posted - 2013.01.05 05:27:00 -
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Aedh Phelan wrote:Clearly you fail to understand the catastrophic effects of a ship in warp collidiing with an asteroid!!! Miners deserve the love and...yes... reverence of every capsuleer for their selfless devotion to the practice of clearing these dangerous hazards to navigation.
Fly safe because we make it so.
OF COURSE we recognise your contribution to the local safety ,but what we are asking for is an industry wide self regulation of mining activities. A sex symbol becomes a thing. I just hate to be a thing. -Marilyn Monroe
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Valkris Arkayne
Perkone Caldari State
91
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Posted - 2013.01.05 06:35:00 -
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Maire Gheren wrote:And what about the planets? They will get mined out to nothing at the same rate.
Think of the planets! |

Ivy Romanova
All Your Machariel Belong to Ham Industrial Technonauts
714
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Posted - 2013.01.05 08:13:00 -
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Valkris Arkayne wrote:Maire Gheren wrote:And what about the planets? They will get mined out to nothing at the same rate. Think of the planets!
The planets are mostly spared due to their immense size and general lack of activity on intraplanetary scale. Not to mention terraforming nanites which automatically kicks in when the planet's resources are depleted. HOWEVER ,asteroid belts doesn't bear such luxury and its up to you and me to sustain growth in New Eden A sex symbol becomes a thing. I just hate to be a thing. -Marilyn Monroe
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Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
1586
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Posted - 2013.01.05 08:23:00 -
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Bloody hippies. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Ivy Romanova
All Your Machariel Belong to Ham Industrial Technonauts
714
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Posted - 2013.01.05 08:44:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Bloody hippies.
I won't. Classify myself as a hippie , I'm an entrepreneur, and from where I stand over mining is a very serious threat to the continued prosperity of the economy. A sex symbol becomes a thing. I just hate to be a thing. -Marilyn Monroe
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Torakenat
Space Cowboys United The Irukandji
42
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Posted - 2013.01.05 09:24:00 -
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Should capsuleers be allowed to continue unrestricted mining in known space?
Absolutely, even in the impossible event that we (laughs hysterically) run out of asteroids...
We need to continue to stock pile resources in the event of unknown regions ore supplies dries up due to over exploitation and/or increase activity in priacy.
Now, if we heed the warnings of our long haired asteroid hugging friends in our community, we only open ourselves up to finanicial and daily way of living to be gravely threaten.
Even now the demands for ore is so increasingly intense, that many of our friends in the ship building industry build ships at a loss of profit. Only increase mining these protected asteroid fields would have any hope in alleviating the pressures on our industry leaders.
If we restrict our mining, we endanger not only our commerce, but also our born right as capsuleers to prolifarate weapons and our war machines against all enemies foriegn and domestic.
Remember, to mine is to fullfill your corporations duty for being respectable capsuleers and gives us security against our enemies. To restrict mining is to fall victim to communistic ideas that threaten the very fabric of what it means to be a capsuleer. |

Emma d'Acques
Protomonolithic Emergent Avionics
18
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Posted - 2013.01.05 09:33:00 -
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Asteroids are an abomination against all that is just! To that end, I call upon eveyone to terminate every asteroid they encounter, then, and only then, will we be truly free! I'm not totally useless, I can be used as a bad example. |

Ivy Romanova
All Your Machariel Belong to Ham Industrial Technonauts
714
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Posted - 2013.01.05 12:17:00 -
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Torakenat wrote:Should capsuleers be allowed to continue unrestricted mining in known space?
Absolutely, even in the impossible event that we (laughs hysterically) run out of asteroids...
We need to continue to stock pile resources in the event of unknown regions ore supplies dries up due to over exploitation and/or increase activity in priacy.
Now, if we heed the warnings of our long haired asteroid hugging friends in our community, we only open ourselves up to finanicial and daily way of living to be gravely threaten.
Even now the demands for ore is so increasingly intense, that many of our friends in the ship building industry build ships at a loss of profit. Only increase mining these protected asteroid fields would have any hope in alleviating the pressures on our industry leaders.
If we restrict our mining, we endanger not only our commerce, but also our born right as capsuleers to prolifarate weapons and our war machines against all enemies foriegn and domestic.
Remember, to mine is to fullfill your corporations duty for being respectable capsuleers and gives us security against our enemies. To restrict mining is to fall victim to communistic ideas that threaten the very fabric of what it means to be a capsuleer.
I beg to differ. As study done by Evelopedia , EvE wiki and many other guides has proved , regardless of instability in the region , the asteroid generation protocol remains the same. What affects it is if you leave one or two loners behind. By leaving some survivors , you allow them to repopulate the region. Granting you MUCH more minerals and also of higher quality to mine in the long run.
Sustainability and profitability is much mutually exclusive , what is , is your myopic view on the universe and in your pursue of short term gain you will put the life of every men,women and child of New Eden in jeopardy . A future of massive deep probing mining vessels scraping the system just for the few gravi sites .
That is not a future that anyone would look forward to A sex symbol becomes a thing. I just hate to be a thing. -Marilyn Monroe
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Kestrix
Industrial Renaissance MinTek Conglomerate
54
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Posted - 2013.01.05 12:38:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote:Every two seconds, an area of asteroid field the size of Jita is lost due to belt stripping or destructive practices. Seventy two per cent of Caldari's intact asteroid landscapes and 55 per cent of the Null's have already been lost forever. Now the Gallante's belts face the same threat. While the causes vary from region to region, they all have one thing in common: strip mining. Through orca stripping ,mob mining, multiboxing and crappy spawn, humankind is wiping out the asteroid belts - and the life that depends on them - at a terrifying pace. What is being practiced now is unsustainable and will only harm the benefits of future generations(as in belt generations). As the belts are stripped of their minerals , the upcoming spawn will be much smaller in quantity and much lower in quality. For the sake of your own profit and the benefit of the whole of New Eden. Save the asteroid belts ,not just for your neighbors ,but also for yourself Be in the know. Read our guide on Sustainable Mining today . This message is sponsored by bounties from Jita.
As hard as I try to keep the belts bare and free of asteroids they keep coming back again!!! Your post has given me hope that one day I'll log on and there will be no asteroids left. |

Jason Xado
Xado Industries
40
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Posted - 2013.01.05 13:28:00 -
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Press Release - Xado Industries
Our sustainability work goes beyond the core of our manufacturing operations, extending to a holistic end-to-end view of opportunities. We deliver strong results across the supply chain, ranging from manufacturing to finished product logisticsGÇöengaging our suppliers throughout the process.
Between the procurement of raw materials and the creation of a product, we strive to reduce waste through systemic conservation efforts. We apply smart eco-design through innovative construction process improvements. And, we re-use where feasible, giving new life to what was once waste.
In the logistics stage, we reduce waste in customization by applying more sustainable designs. We have also optimized our transportation efficiency by making changes to the rate, route, mode and method of transportation. We have focused on eliminating inefficiencies such as loading and unloading delays, rush transport up-charges, dead legs (empty freighters) and Xado Industries production line stops.
We collaborate closely with suppliers across the entire supply chain. We have implemented a supplier sustainability scorecard, which assesses the environmental footprint of our suppliers, enabling Xado Industries to partner and help reduce the environmental impact along the supply chain.
Jason Xado CEO, Xado Industries |

Ivy Romanova
All Your Machariel Belong to Ham Industrial Technonauts
714
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Posted - 2013.01.05 14:23:00 -
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Jason Xado wrote:Press Release - Xado Industries
Our sustainability work goes beyond the core of our manufacturing operations, extending to a holistic end-to-end view of opportunities. We deliver strong results across the supply chain, ranging from manufacturing to finished product logisticsGÇöengaging our suppliers throughout the process.
Between the procurement of raw materials and the creation of a product, we strive to reduce waste through systemic conservation efforts. We apply smart eco-design through innovative construction process improvements. And, we re-use where feasible, giving new life to what was once waste.
In the logistics stage, we reduce waste in customization by applying more sustainable designs. We have also optimized our transportation efficiency by making changes to the rate, route, mode and method of transportation. We have focused on eliminating inefficiencies such as loading and unloading delays, rush transport up-charges, dead legs (empty freighters) and Xado Industries production line stops.
We collaborate closely with suppliers across the entire supply chain. We have implemented a supplier sustainability scorecard, which assesses the environmental footprint of our suppliers, enabling Xado Industries to partner and help reduce the environmental impact along the supply chain.
Jason Xado CEO, Xado Industries
Now on paper, that is what the model Industrial Corp should be about , BUT! Word and actions are two very different things , convince the world you're not just all words A sex symbol becomes a thing. I just hate to be a thing. -Marilyn Monroe
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Dave stark
1457
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Posted - 2013.01.05 14:35:00 -
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best troll i've seen in a while. "100k for notifications of stupidity, i love this bounty system." |

Ivy Romanova
All Your Machariel Belong to Ham Industrial Technonauts
715
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Posted - 2013.01.05 14:54:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:best troll i've seen in a while.
I am no troll , I assure you. This is SERIOUS! A sex symbol becomes a thing. I just hate to be a thing. -Marilyn Monroe
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