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AlleyKat The Unwanted. 812	Posted - 2013.01.05 16:49:00 - [1] - Quote If I take the term 'Sand-Box' and apply it to EVE, it does not seem to fit. A Sand-Box design should not have any goals, but yet this game does appear to have goals; specifically the creation of corporations, alliances, factional entities and unofficial coalitions, plus numerous social-political structures and hierarchies. If this is not a sand-box, then why are there not more official structures and aspirational goals to attain singularly or collectively? EVE seems to meander its definition. Is it a sand-box or not? AK GÇ£You go into combat, and itGÇÖs NOT going to be WagnerGÇªindustrial techno or really hard drum and bassGÇ¥ Reynir Hardarson, founding member of CCP Games, 2002.
Mag's the united Negative Ten. 13409	Posted - 2013.01.05 16:52:00 - [2] - Quote It's as sandbox as possible, without the mess a true sandbox can become. CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience.
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 6256	Posted - 2013.01.05 16:52:00 - [3] - Quote Those are player-made goals. ~a proud belligerent undesirable~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. ~~~~i am god~~~~
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 Angry Mustellid Iron Oxide. 301	Posted - 2013.01.05 16:53:00 - [4] - Quote Eve isn't literally a box of sand, short of that I'm not really sure what you want? Edit: I'm pretty sure if you go to any sandbox IRL you will find player made goals and relationships.
Sergeant Acht Scultz School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 437	Posted - 2013.01.05 16:54:00 - [5] - Quote AlleyKat wrote: If I take the term 'Sand-Box' and apply it to EVE, it does not seem to fit.... ..............Is it a sand-box or not? Nope, it's a gravel box full of dog shift. "bark bark bark bark"
Murk Paradox Dvice Shipyards No Value 205	Posted - 2013.01.05 16:54:00 - [6] - Quote The term sandbox cannot be applied literally since the adaptation and evolution of the word versus the game over the last decade has taken on different meanings. Sandbox as a term, is used loosely since this is an open world mmo with various definitive rules. In short, it's using facts to shape around a theory. People like to use literal terms to degenerate a meaning they hold while at the same time using assumptions to homogenize or waterdown their intent since gamers as a whole think they need to be desensitized to everything to be "cool". Hope I didn't over explain, I'm bored at work =) "I say tomato, you say tomaCCP BAN ALL TOMATOES THEY ARE HARASSING ME I WANT TOMATO FREE HIGHSEC."-á -TheGunslinger42 Proud enforcer of the Code, see [url]http://www.minerbumping.com[/url] for details.
Eugene Kerner TunDraGon 521	Posted - 2013.01.05 16:55:00 - [7] - Quote AlleyKat wrote: If I take the term 'Sand-Box' and apply it to EVE, it does not seem to fit. A Sand-Box design should not have any goals, but yet this game does appear to have goals; specifically the creation of corporations, alliances, factional entities and unofficial coalitions, plus numerous social-political structures and hierarchies. If this is not a sand-box, then why are there not more official structures and aspirational goals to attain singularly or collectively? EVE seems to meander its definition. Is it a sand-box or not? AK It is Sandbox in the way of : you build a castle and I jump on it "Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012
Solstice Project Join me if you hate people 2508	Posted - 2013.01.05 16:58:00 - [8] - Quote Didn't we already have enough of these threads ? Why can't you people stop falling for the same old ** made by different new idiots, every day ?? Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire**
Dave stark 1457	Posted - 2013.01.05 17:00:00 - [9] - Quote Solstice Project wrote: Didn't we already have enough of these threads ? Why can't you people stop falling for the same old **** made by different new idiots, every day ?? be nice, sol. "100k for notifications of stupidity, i love this bounty system."
Felix Godfrey TU 97.3.1 0	Posted - 2013.01.05 17:10:00 - [10] - Quote Mag's wrote: It's as sandbox as possible, without the chaos a true sandbox can become. Pretty much this. I don't see how any gaming company in the near future could create a coherent game if they took the term sandbox literally--and by this I mean, space with appropriate mechanics and building blocks. Expecting order to arise and rest entirely upon players is impossible. Otherwise CCP can add more content and complex progression systems into the game. This might eventually create an illusion where there are no real goals to strive for since so many combinations exist (even this depends on each individual being able to perceive them).
psycho freak Snuff Box 218	Posted - 2013.01.05 17:11:00 - [11] - Quote Its a whine-box game all anyone does is whine my spelling sux brb find phone number for someone who gives a fu*k nop cant find it
Solstice Project Join me if you hate people 2509	Posted - 2013.01.05 17:11:00 - [12] - Quote Dave stark wrote: Solstice Project wrote: Didn't we already have enough of these threads ? Why can't you people stop falling for the same old ** made by different new idiots, every day ?? be nice, sol. Here you tell me to be nice, there you like my post for stating the obvious truth: We need to kill them and get rid of them ! Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire**
Elvis Fett Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats 186	Posted - 2013.01.05 17:12:00 - [13] - Quote Arguing over semantics is always a positive use of time.
Dave stark 1458	Posted - 2013.01.05 17:16:00 - [14] - Quote Solstice Project wrote: Dave stark wrote: Solstice Project wrote: Didn't we already have enough of these threads ? Why can't you people stop falling for the same old **** made by different new idiots, every day ?? be nice, sol. Here you tell me to be nice, there you like my post for stating the obvious truth: We need to kill them and get rid of them ! please, kill them all. especially the miners. trit prices are horrible right now. "100k for notifications of stupidity, i love this bounty system."
Sergeant Acht Scultz School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 437	Posted - 2013.01.05 17:21:00 - [15] - Quote Dave stark wrote: Solstice Project wrote: Dave stark wrote: Solstice Project wrote: Didn't we already have enough of these threads ? Why can't you people stop falling for the same old **** made by different new idiots, every day ?? be nice, sol. Here you tell me to be nice, there you like my post for stating the obvious truth: We need to kill them and get rid of them ! please, kill them all. especially the miners. trit prices are horrible right now. Titans/supers need to become cheaper, once those are build miners gank fest will restart again, it's time to mine&stock !
Dave stark 1458	Posted - 2013.01.05 17:31:00 - [16] - Quote Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote: Dave stark wrote: Solstice Project wrote: Dave stark wrote: Solstice Project wrote: Didn't we already have enough of these threads ? Why can't you people stop falling for the same old **** made by different new idiots, every day ?? be nice, sol. Here you tell me to be nice, there you like my post for stating the obvious truth: We need to kill them and get rid of them ! please, kill them all. especially the miners. trit prices are horrible right now. Titans/supers need to become cheaper, once those are build miners gank fest will restart again, it's time to mine&stock ! i can't wait that long, my orca booster's account expires in less than a week! "100k for notifications of stupidity, i love this bounty system."
Sergeant Acht Scultz School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 437	Posted - 2013.01.05 17:34:00 - [17] - Quote Dave stark wrote: i can't wait that long, my orca booster's account expires in less than a week! You economics meanie ! You know they hate you, you know they're coming for you, watch your back ! (and keep mining)
Solstice Project Join me if you hate people 2509	Posted - 2013.01.05 17:39:00 - [18] - Quote Dave stark wrote: Solstice Project wrote: Dave stark wrote: Solstice Project wrote: Didn't we already have enough of these threads ? Why can't you people stop falling for the same old **** made by different new idiots, every day ?? be nice, sol. Here you tell me to be nice, there you like my post for stating the obvious truth: We need to kill them and get rid of them ! please, kill them all. especially the miners. trit prices are horrible right now. I know. Not my fault. There are plenty of others who hate these economic terrorists as much as we do, but all these geniuses who shoot miners don't manage to get together, unless some greater entity (Hi goons o/) makes them band together for their own betterment. I'm not willing to participate in their mindless hatred against a single target/playstyle. I have my own mindless hatred against every other target. ^_^ TL;DR: shrugs You know how i roll. Kill them yourself. Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire
Mai Khumm Carbon Circle Tactical Narcotics Team 389	Posted - 2013.01.05 17:43:00 - [19] - Quote As long as Devs are in control of large alliances, constantly meddling, controlling, and whispering in other peoples ears... EVE will never be the sandbox it advertises itself to be... Since EVE will be pay to win very soon. --> 65 Mil SP subcap pilot/45 Mil SP Caldari-Indy Cap pilot looking for Powerbloc Coalition...
Jake Warbird Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 2073	Posted - 2013.01.05 17:49:00 - [20] - Quote Well... there is a lot of sand here...
Mag's the united Negative Ten. 13411	Posted - 2013.01.05 17:52:00 - [21] - Quote Mai Khumm wrote: As long as Devs are in control of large alliances, constantly meddling, controlling, and whispering in other peoples ears... EVE will never be the sandbox it advertises itself to be... :Tinfoil: CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience.
Jamyl Khanid Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 27	Posted - 2013.01.05 20:22:00 - [22] - Quote EVE has sand in her box? That explains all the bittervet on the forums.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 12492	Posted - 2013.01.05 20:47:00 - [23] - Quote AlleyKat wrote: A Sand-Box design should not have any goals, but yet this game does appear to have goals; specifically the creation of corporations, alliances, factional entities and unofficial coalitions, plus numerous social-political structures and hierarchies. No, EVE doesn't have those goals. EVE simply has the tools available should players choose to pursue those kinds of structures as their goals. Quote: Is it a sand-box or not? In almost every way imaginable without descending into complete chaos, yes. Mai Khumm wrote: As long as Devs are in control of large alliances, constantly meddling, controlling, and whispering in other peoples ears... EVE will never be the sandbox it advertises itself to be... GÇªso in other words, it's pretty much exactly the sandbox it advertises itself to be. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
Steven Seaga1 Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 23	Posted - 2013.01.05 20:54:00 - [24] - Quote More like a "Litter box"
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 6856	Posted - 2013.01.05 20:57:00 - [25] - Quote AlleyKat wrote: If I take the term 'Sand-Box' and apply it to EVE, it does not seem to fit. A Sand-Box design should not have any goals, but yet this game does appear to have goals; specifically the creation of corporations, alliances, factional entities and unofficial coalitions, plus numerous social-political structures and hierarchies. If this is not a sand-box, then why are there not more official structures and aspirational goals to attain singularly or collectively? EVE seems to meander its definition. Is it a sand-box or not? AK Sandbox, noun. Irregular noun that means something different to everyone, generally to mean whatever is most convenient for them. MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button."
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 6856	Posted - 2013.01.05 20:59:00 - [26] - Quote psycho freak wrote: Its a whine-box game all anyone does is whine Especially you when one of your ships gets nerfed, hey? MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button."
Skorpynekomimi 356	Posted - 2013.01.05 21:02:00 - [27] - Quote Jake Warbird wrote: Well... there is a lot of sand here... As a fellow minmatar, I feel compelled to point out that it's NOT sand, it's actually your pod's filters throwing coolant out as a solid instead of a liquid. Adjust your settings. Also, it seems to be a sandbox. As happens with sandboxes, complex structures develop.
EvEa Deva State War Academy Caldari State 194	Posted - 2013.01.05 21:06:00 - [28] - Quote I guess the ability to train any skill and not be a class limited to certain skills or ship is kinda sandbox.
Stegas Tyrano GLU CANU Open Space Consultancy 128	Posted - 2013.01.05 21:08:00 - [29] - Quote It's more like a sandbox with a couple of different shaped buckets to help you make what you want [PROPOSAL] INGAME ADVERTS FOR PLAYERS
Garresh Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 70	Posted - 2013.01.05 22:05:00 - [30] - Quote AlleyKat wrote: A Sand-Box design should not have any goals, but yet this game does appear to have goals; specifically the creation of corporations, alliances, factional entities and unofficial coalitions, plus numerous social-political structures and hierarchies. Those are their goals, not mine. What about the roaming explorer who really gets a kick out of slipping under the pirate's noses as he explores lowsec, or slipping around Null staying off the radar slowly making billions? How about the trader who, in lieu of focusing on wealth entirely, has dedicated his fortune and abilities to taking control of just one hub: Maybe it's a small mission hub, but no trades go on there that he isn't in control of, due to his extremely efficient support network. He is a PvPers like no other, who guards his territory fiercely. The man whose entire life is theft. Maybe he's a ninja. Maybe he's an awoxer or a a corporation infiltrator. The missionbear? The guy for whom corporations and hierarchies don't matter, for whom social popularity and widespread trust are the goal? Those who serve the community as a whole to the point that even the scum of the universe hold him in high regard. Point is, I see no "natural" goals in eve, except the accumulation of wealth. And for 95% of the player base that is not a goal. It's a means to an end, so that they can achieve their real goal: A goal they themselves came up with. Yes, this game is a sandbox, but as a hardcore solo player I think you focus too much on the corporate structures that take all the spotlight. Look around you and you'll see a thriving player ecosystem and metagame for which corporations hold little interest.

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