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Helmut 314
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Posted - 2005.06.14 09:11:00 -
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So, most people who post here goes on and on about honour at one time or another. Since I find honour on any battlefield an oxymoron, could someone please define what you mean by it.
This is obviously a volatile subject, especially if you start giving examples of this corp and that corp, and this player did that etc. Please refrain from attacking or praising others in my thread.
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Coupo
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Posted - 2005.06.14 09:18:00 -
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there is no such thing as honour in war..
there never will be, its kill or be killed.
although you can be nice to your enemy sometimes and not pod him :P
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Phoenicia
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Posted - 2005.06.14 09:20:00 -
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Honourable:
Stating intentions (i.e. revoking NAPs before attacking)
Sticking to your word (i.e. When you agree to let someone pass, let him pass)
Complimenting on good fights (i.e. "Gf!" in local)
Not honourable:
Logging off when overwhelmed by superior numbers
Smacktalk in local
Setting trust-traps (i.e. agreeing to let someone pass then blowing the crap out of him)
Class of its own:
LEEEROOOOYY!!!!!
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Coupo
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Posted - 2005.06.14 09:23:00 -
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leeroy jenkins 4tw
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Tehel Necrona
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Posted - 2005.06.14 09:23:00 -
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One definition would be:
If ur caught by a frigate squad and NOT logging off to avoid dying, and instead fighting to the death.
That pilot would then have " died with honour "
Also, little things like after a small skirmish, saying " gf " in local and not gloating or smack talking brings honour to wars.
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DUFFMANX
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Posted - 2005.06.14 09:38:00 -
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The concept of honour is kinda dead really, its more bout earning the other sides repect for a good fight, letting some1 pod pass if was already offered that kinda thing.
I had a 1v1 with another ceptor pilot from -V- last night and i lost but was fun and good fight. Alot wont fight 1v1 cos afraid of gank squad coming after u agree to something but u can earn respect by goin ahead win or loose without sneakyness.
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Chowdown
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Posted - 2005.06.14 09:59:00 -
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 Originally by: Phoenicia
Not honourable:
Logging off when overwhelmed by superior numbers
Please elaborate?
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Emissary Omega
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Posted - 2005.06.14 10:03:00 -
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Edited by: Emissary Omega on 14/06/2005 10:03:41
Originally by: Chowdown
Originally by: Phoenicia
Not honourable:
Logging off when overwhelmed by superior numbers
Please elaborate?
In actual combat, not "when in same system". When your lone BS is webbed, scrambled, jammed, and being fired upon by two Tempests (for example), and you log off that instant. That I consider dishonourable.
If you're at a safespot in a system where all gates are covered by your opponent, and you have nowhere to go, thats when logging off is just fine.
All in my opinion of course 
---edit---: DEVS! Do something about these character-selection foul-ups! The above was me, Phoenicia.
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siim
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Posted - 2005.06.14 10:09:00 -
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Originally by: Phoenicia
---edit---: DEVS! Do something about these character-selection foul-ups! The above was me, Phoenicia.
make phoenicia your default char 
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2005.06.14 10:18:00 -
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Edited by: Rod Blaine on 14/06/2005 10:20:23
The only honour I care about in war is not logging off in combat.
Other then that, everything thats not an exploit and does not involve out of game h4xzoring etc is fair play imo.
Sure, some things will get you respect and some will get you laughed at. But honour has no place in war, sign up for a sport if you want honour.
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Phoenicia
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Posted - 2005.06.14 10:53:00 -
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Originally by: siim
Originally by: Phoenicia
---edit---: DEVS! Do something about these character-selection foul-ups! The above was me, Phoenicia.
make phoenicia your default char
How dishonourable of me that I did not know that, and how honourable of you to mention it
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Nez Perces
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Posted - 2005.06.14 10:56:00 -
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Edited by: Nez Perces on 14/06/2005 10:57:03
The answer to this question, I would say is fairly subjective, but my 2 isk on this topic would be like so : (N.B this is just to do with warfare in EVE, RL comparisons are bordering on retarded and could be seen as offensive)
Fighting that ends in mutual respect (not friendship, but respect two very different things) for both parties = honourable warfare.
Fighting that ends in complete loathing of the other party = dishonourable warfare has been carried out by one of the warring parties.
Seeing as this is a game and about enjoying your online time, I prefer to see the honourable kind of warfare taking place as it is much less stressful ...
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Eyeshadow
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Posted - 2005.06.14 10:57:00 -
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Quote:
What is Honour in war ?
A myth
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AvanCade
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Posted - 2005.06.14 11:07:00 -
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Honor in war would mean:
* No smack in local
* No podding
* Stating your intention 12hrs before
thats about it really.
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2005.06.14 11:14:00 -
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Originally by: AvanCade
Honor in war would mean:
* No smack in local
* No podding
* Stating your intention 12hrs before
thats about it really.
I would not say that podding (under certain circunstances), is not dishounorable.
The stating your intention bit 12 hours before, can be a moot point, since sometimes suprise attack is a very valuable tactic, althou if you break a nap without any warning, that I would consider dishounorable, since I consider that as betrayal.
I would add logging off in combat to the dishonourable actions.
and that's all. Now if you die against a bigger force, that's no dishonour, that's bad luck/decision. You know what they say: "if you are in a fair fight, then you did something wrong."
Exploiting a situation is what tacticians are trained for.
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Joram McRory
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Posted - 2005.06.14 11:39:00 -
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One example I would cite as honourable was a few months ago when ATUK were attacking Immensia. We had a gang of about 30 in system & ATUK had 60. An agreement was reached and the ATUK fleet logged people off to get parity in numbers. We engaged, had a ball and lost.
Then we did a pod charge to jump home
Good fun was had by all.
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Joram McRory
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Posted - 2005.06.14 11:46:00 -
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I have thought about this a bit more. Could "Honourable" in an Eve pvp context be defined as:
The surendering of some tactical advantage in order to enhance the enjoyment of the game for your 'enemy', whilst behaving in a polite and civilised way"
Just my 2p
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Pehova Mindtriq
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Posted - 2005.06.14 11:47:00 -
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Originally by: AvanCade
Honor in war would mean:
* No smack in local
* No podding
* Stating your intention 12hrs before
thats about it really.
I would disagree with all those points. Smack in local is bad but keeping quite is not honourable, it is mature behavior. And letting a pod go in a fight makes no sence, why not let the ship go aswell then?(unless you are a pirate maybe)
Stating your intentions 12hrs before is...well...not very tactical in some cases.
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Ma'at
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Posted - 2005.06.14 11:49:00 -
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in real combat, what qualifies you for the medal of honor?
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Omatje
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Posted - 2005.06.14 12:02:00 -
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Standing up to your enemy, without being stupid and not brag about it.
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Phoenicia
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Posted - 2005.06.14 12:35:00 -
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Originally by: Ma'at
in real combat, what qualifies you for the medal of honor?
Taking on an Apocalypse with a Blackbird and a Harpy. And winning. Something like that
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Takrolimus
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Posted - 2005.06.14 12:39:00 -
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Honour is Fighting whenever there is a reasonable chance (30% +) of winning.
Honour is never running from even numbers, even if they have a stronger position (unless of course the server is on its last legs as it often is on a Sunday night, in which case you might as well just log).
Honour is not waiting 2 hours for 4:1 odds when G you havd 2:1 odds to start with, and then not smacking in local at how the outnumbered force has logged off instead of fighting double numbers from two directions.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2005.06.14 12:40:00 -
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Edited by: Rod Blaine on 14/06/2005 12:40:57
Originally by: AvanCade
Honor in war would mean:
* No smack in local
* No podding
* Stating your intention 12hrs before
thats about it really.
Dissapointing to see you pos that tbh.
I can agree with the smack, and even with the 12hour declaration thing, but no podding ?
No podding means one step closer to combat without a cause.
If I'd consider one more thing dishonourable then that would be fighting because of the the fight, and not because of the goal.
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un5een
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Posted - 2005.06.14 13:29:00 -
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dishonour = flaming someone for actions taken 4 weeks ago...
dishonour = complaining about ur enemy not doing what u want him to do
dishonour = rl harrassment
honour = not acting like a group of players whos name i dont mention here
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Darkrydar
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Posted - 2005.06.14 13:34:00 -
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Originally by: Takrolimus
Honour is Fighting whenever there is a reasonable chance (30% +) of winning.
Honour is never running from even numbers, even if they have a stronger position (unless of course the server is on its last legs as it often is on a Sunday night, in which case you might as well just log).
Honour is not waiting 2 hours for 4:1 odds when G you havd 2:1 odds to start with, and then not smacking in local at how the outnumbered force has logged off instead of fighting double numbers from two directions.
About sums it up tbfh.
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.06.14 13:37:00 -
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Honor is keeping your word, as in, not cheating at arranged 1v1s, or on a bigger scale, not backstabbing allies.
Dishonor is using pathetic "exploity" tactics, such as logging in combat or mass gang/convo invites.
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Crean NaVar
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Posted - 2005.06.14 13:38:00 -
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Originally by: Takrolimus
Honour is Fighting whenever there is a reasonable chance (30% +) of winning.
Honour is never running from even numbers, even if they have a stronger position (unless of course the server is on its last legs as it often is on a Sunday night, in which case you might as well just log).
Honour is not waiting 2 hours for 4:1 odds when G you havd 2:1 odds to start with, and then not smacking in local at how the outnumbered force has logged off instead of fighting double numbers from two directions.
Pathetic.
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Kalast Raven
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Posted - 2005.06.14 13:50:00 -
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Among a great many things,
It is dishonorable to spare the enemy
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Helmut 314
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Posted - 2005.06.14 14:20:00 -
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*cough* Dont name corps/alliances, it only leads to flamefests. You can go have them in some other thread.
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ScoRpS
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Posted - 2005.06.14 14:41:00 -
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honour for me is sticking to a code of conduct even when it doesnt suite me.
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