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Dianabolic	Posted - 2005.06.16 17:31:00 - [61] Originally by: Harisdrop Fountain is like any other region in space. If you want it and have the forces to get it try and take it. With this new patch you will have plenty of targets! Fountain isn't very profitable for its current inhabitants, not at this time.
DrunkenOne	Posted - 2005.06.16 17:32:00 - [62] Originally by: Harisdrop Fountain is like any other region in space. I'm pretty sure that alt just explained why it ISNT like "any other region in space." Lets once again compare curse to fountain, shall we? Besides the fact that they both have NPC stations and pirate agents, fountain wins in everything: Best ores in the game. Ores located right near refinery. Easiest NPCs in the game. Directly connected to empire. Whereas Curse has **** ores that can be found in empire Hardest NPCs in the game. 2 regions from empire. Someone make me a sig :(
Harisdrop	Posted - 2005.06.16 17:56:00 - [63] Originally by: DrunkenOne Originally by: Harisdrop Fountain is like any other region in space. I'm pretty sure that alt just explained why it ISNT like "any other region in space." Lets once again compare curse to fountain, shall we? Besides the fact that they both have NPC stations and pirate agents, fountain wins in everything: Best ores in the game. Ores located right near refinery. Easiest NPCs in the game. Directly connected to empire. Whereas Curse has **** ores that can be found in empire Hardest NPCs in the game. 2 regions from empire. Hey I understand each region has different resources. What I mean tho is that if you want anything in game you can always try and take it for your own use. -------------------------- I am on alot of kill boards but the wrong column. I give the killmails to our enemys
Leno	Posted - 2005.06.16 17:58:00 - [64] Originally by: Harisdrop Originally by: Allen Deckard Why do npc corps have sov in .0 anyway? Pirates need a home also. Thats real balance. Its like joining the Anarchry group on College campus! That is sig worthy --------------- RIP - Smoske, My Friend Coasterbrian > babies are good, especially raw Coasterbrian > soft and crunchy at the same time
The Enslaver	Posted - 2005.06.16 18:38:00 - [65] Originally by: prsr That first jump is 0.0. The second is 0.0 again. You can generalize all you want and call it empire but the fact remains fountain core to empire space like yulai is 30+ jumps going through empire 0.0 first and all kinds of low-sec space after that. Did I mention Gonditsa is on that shortest route too? In the same way that every other habitable NPC region has to go through constantly camped systems/regions to even get to empire? Mute point anyway, all will probably have direct empire connections after next patch. Quote: Wow, you're trying to tell me there are no other regions with high-end ore "close" to a station? I know a system that has got 8 belts of crokite and it's right next to an empire system in 0.4 with a refining station. It's not even camped all day long in contradiction to what all the carebears are claiming. Nope, it isn't. Its a **hole compared to syndicate, isn't it? Still, Fountain is the next best. Quote: It also has more agents then you can shake a stick at. With the next patch, even curse will get access to zydrine btw. Wow, you want to know something really sekrit? Empire will be getting zydrine too! And Empire already has an incredibly high concentration of agents! Imagine that? Quote: Serpentis loot sucks, angel loot sucks, all loot sucks... Let's all get together and declare the whole map sucks. Except fountain of course, it's a regular walhalla. Serp loot is better than Angel loot in my experience, but only marginally. The thing that makes the significant difference is that Angel's are by far, a lot, lot harder. And I mean a lot. But I think everyone can agree that Serpentis and Angels suck, with Bloods and Sansha's in the middle - and Gurista's running ahead of everything else, being the best NPC's to hunt. Quote:** Stop whining and get a hunting pass if you want it so bad. Uh, and that is constructive and to the point in what way? -------- FireFoxx80: If you think you can do a better job, go find yourself a datacentre to host a box, get a copy of Visual Studio, and STFU.
Fortior	Posted - 2005.06.16 18:53:00 - [66] Heaven forbid that some regions are better than others, there might actually be a war over them. And we all know that war isn't fun at all. Uh-uh, no siree-bob.
Marcus Aurelius	Posted - 2005.06.16 19:07:00 - [67] Originally by: Fortior Heaven forbid that some regions are better than others, there might actually be a war over them. And we all know that war isn't fun at all. Uh-uh, no siree-bob. Bingo.
prsr	Posted - 2005.06.17 05:07:00 - [68] Originally by: The Enslaver Wow, you want to know something really sekrit? Empire will be getting zydrine too! And Empire already has an incredibly high concentration of agents! Imagine that? There's a bit of difference between empire agents and 0.0 agents isn't there? I wouldn't know though, running missions is so incredibly boring I never ran any agents myself. Originally by: prsr Serpentis loot sucks, angel loot sucks, all loot sucks... Let's all get together and declare the whole map sucks. Except fountain of course, it's a regular walhalla. Originally by: The Enslaver Serp loot is better than Angel loot in my experience, but only marginally. The thing that makes the significant difference is that Angel's are by far, a lot, lot harder. And I mean a lot. But I think everyone can agree that Serpentis and Angels suck, with Bloods and Sansha's in the middle - and Gurista's running ahead of everything else, being the best NPC's to hunt. I could be wrong, but in a turret battleship all npc's are pretty much equal to me, go sit at 100km, f1,f2,f3,etc. I know angels do mixed damage types so it's harder to fit the ship you're using if you plan to tank them but they never really manage to get at their optimals before they pop. About the loot, no idea, all I ever see is Serpentis and I got a stack of named remote repairers a few miles high to prove it :) Originally by: prsr Stop whining and get a hunting pass if you want it so bad. Originally by: The Enslaver Uh, and that is constructive and to the point in what way? It's to the point as in, no region is the same, and it would be strange if no region would be considered "the best". So instead of pointing it out like some great injustice has been done to the rest of EVE it might be an idea for him to go there and enjoy the fruits of his knowledge of the EVE universe.
Shittake	Posted - 2005.06.17 07:59:00 - [69] I think NPC sovereignty should be a challenegable thing. We could consider NPC controlled 0.0 and the NPC stations there as just a "starting point". These stations could be convereted to conquerable, once you put enough POSes in place to claim sovereignty, you could kick out the Gurristas or Intaki landlords, and claim it for yourself (with some NPC hassle in doing so). Then hire NPCs for your alliance to protect it, hire agents for the mission runners, place sentries, etc. This "feels" like something very far into the future to me :) The unfortunate thing about this patch is that Alliances which control some parts of 0.0, say in Imperium's case Outer Ring, are totaly screwed. If they have no way to establish sovereignty, they have no way to setup outposts in their claimed space. Until that changes, these regions will always be a place of instability and will become "fly over" country on the way to greener pastures. I'm not going to worry about it. I think the changes comming in this patch are a change that many of us need to keep going. (bites lip) I trust CCP will do a good job testing and deploying this patch and we'll all have new toys to play with :)
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2005.06.17 08:20:00 - [70] Oh, having the NPC stations converted to PCS and the soveeignty lifted or suspended from much of the land would be fine. The agents can even stay then :p I think that's exactly the balancing thing Redundancy was aiming at, altho it is a rough balance on IMP in this case since for the amount of stations you get you are worst off by far. _______________________________________________ Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know. Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online Solutions to your issues.
Nafri	Posted - 2005.06.17 08:29:00 - [71] there need to be NPC stations in 0,0 otherwise alliances dont need to fear the pirates No sig today
Shittake	Posted - 2005.06.17 08:34:00 - [72] As quoted by the link Rod Blaine mentioned in another post: The long term possibilities that Factional Warfare open up is that player controlled Alliances would be able to battle the NPC factions for resources and territory . . . This sorta cements the idea that NPC sovereignty will not change until Kali. Sounds like we WILL eventually be able to battle the NPCs for their stations, just not until next year sometime.
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2005.06.17 08:43:00 - [73] Originally by: ***take As quoted by the link Rod Blaine mentioned in another post: The long term possibilities that Factional Warfare open up is that player controlled Alliances would be able to battle the NPC factions for resources and territory . . .* This sorta cements the idea that NPC sovereignty will not change until Kali. Sounds like we WILL eventually be able to battle the NPCs for their stations, just not until next year sometime. I bet itll only mean you can take amarr terrotory for the minmatar republic and that kind of rp territorial conflict. If I was you, I'd simply move while you can unless you aren't interested in running pos, in which case it matters very little. _______________________________________________ Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know. Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online Solutions to your issues.
Harisdrop	Posted - 2005.06.17 12:46:00 - [74] Quote: The long term possibilities that Factional Warfare open up is that player controlled Alliances would be able to battle the NPC factions for resources and territory . . hmm player controlled Alliances must mean the ones the players own not NPC. I bet there will be alot of people surprised when a pirate faction comes after them. I wonder if I was in a soverieng area with Angels if they would not mind my alliance try to take over? Thats good stuff. I would have my fleet ganking players all day while the NPC remove any resemblence3 of Alliance. COMOS will make all players wake up and let 0.0 be what its suppose to be for all eve players! -------------------------- I am on alot of kill boards but the wrong column. I give the killmails to our enemys
Shayla Sh'inlux	Posted - 2005.06.17 16:59:00 - [75] Quote: Curse has no rare ores, the highest is hedbergite and hemorphite. Curse is a hole. Okay, so curse itself has no high ends. My bad. It's far from a **hole tho with every system having a row of stations, loads of agents and the uber ores in the regions surrounding it, which are quite close. I fly through Curse/Cache/Catch pretty often and can't help but notice the shiny roids only 2 jumps from a station. Quote: Stain has the very much under-rated Gneiss, and mining it in same system as a station when done properly is more profitable than Arkonor 2+ jumps away, due to zyd price. Stain has Gneiss pretty much everywhere. Zyd prices will drop soon enough, making Spod somewhat less unattractive to mine and Gneiss a lot less atttractive. Quote: Great Wildlands has Mercoxit, Arkonor and Bistot. No Bistot, and only 3 systems with Ark, two of which are mined dry and suffer from the roid-respawn bug (the one that causes roids not to respawn). It has Spod tho which will be somewhat better to mine after Zyd prices come falling down. Quote:** I think that covers it. Basically, contrary to popular belief - Curse is the worst NPC sovereign region in the game. Depending on what you really want. Curse looks like Empire on the map to me. Also, no single alliance claim curse or ever did. They control curse + surrounding area's which mean access to all the goodies in the area of tons of NPC stations.
Cell Satimo	Posted - 2005.06.29 13:06:00 - [76] It is a good thing that the regions are different. IMO, it wouldn't be very interesting to play a space empire where the map was largely flat, and there was no strategic advantage to holding any part of specific part of it over another. \| Join eve-webring.com to promote your site.
Tar om	Posted - 2005.06.29 13:39:00 - [77] Quote: Wow, you're trying to tell me there are no other regions with high-end ore "close" to a station? I know a system that has got 8 belts of crokite and it's right next to an empire system in 0.4 with a refining station. It's not even camped all day long in contradiction to what all the carebears are claiming.Shocked hehe, I know where you mean :) -- We are the Octavian Vanguard www.octavianvanguard.net http://www.serenitymovie.com
Dao 2	Posted - 2005.06.29 14:50:00 - [78] u cant claim npc sovreignty, and the fuel bonus wont help. for right now at least, they said they are leaving them as they are but later on who knows.
Balazs Simon	Posted - 2005.06.29 14:53:00 - [79] Originally by: DrunkenOne Originally by: Harisdrop Fountain is like any other region in space. I'm pretty sure that alt just explained why it ISNT like "any other region in space." Lets once again compare curse to fountain, shall we? Besides the fact that they both have NPC stations and pirate agents, fountain wins in everything: Best ores in the game. Ores located right near refinery. Easiest NPCs in the game. Directly connected to empire. Whereas Curse has **** ores that can be found in empire Hardest NPCs in the game. 2 regions from empire. Best ores in the game - Yeh, it have all the stuff like all 0.0.. there is Arkonor is Curse too... Ores located right near refinery - right near ?? where show me plz , I realy would like if this would be true.. the closest arkonor belts are 5! jumps from any refinery... 3 jump is the closes crokit... I saw bistot and crokit in Curse 1 jump away from station... Easiest NPCs in the game. - can be true.. but I found bloods are easyer... lower overal resistance... just hit em with EM and they die.. easy to tank the too. But I have to admitt Serps are not too hard to kill... Directly connected to empire.- 1st Wich 0.0 region wich have NPC stations is not directly connected to empire ?? 2nd, yes FA is connected to Aridia... 15 ish jump from core... than you have to make 30+ jump in 0.1 - 0.4 to get to the nearest markets ... so FA is quite away from empire... If you try to make us look bad, at least get a clue... shiss
slip66	Posted - 2005.06.29 14:58:00 - [80] Originally by: prsr Originally by: Simon Illian please give us some info in the POS changement.We need time to adapt. Depending on how dreads are introduced, I'm expecting them to show up at starbases in the first weekend after the first few are built. So very little time to prepare (I know, that goes for attackers too). Starbase changes dev blog please. You wont be seeing any for atleast a month and more likely longer
slip66	Posted - 2005.06.29 15:21:00 - [81] Originally by: Balazs Simon Edited by: Balazs Simon on 29/06/2005 14:55:13 Originally by: DrunkenOne Originally by: Harisdrop Fountain is like any other region in space. I'm pretty sure that alt just explained why it ISNT like "any other region in space." Lets once again compare curse to fountain, shall we? Besides the fact that they both have NPC stations and pirate agents, fountain wins in everything: Best ores in the game. Ores located right near refinery. Easiest NPCs in the game. Directly connected to empire. Whereas Curse has **** ores that can be found in empire Hardest NPCs in the game. 2 regions from empire. Best ores in the game - Yeh, it have all the stuff like all 0.0.. there is Arkonor in Curse too... What are you talking about here ? Ores located right near refinery - right near ?? where show me plz , I realy would like if this would be true.. the closest arkonor belts are 5! jumps from any refinery... 3 jump is the closest crokit... I saw bistot and crokit in Curse 1 jump away from stations... Easiest NPCs in the game. - can be true.. but I found bloods are easier... lower overal resistance... just hit em with EM and they die.. easy to tank the too. But I have to admitt Serps are not too hard to kill... Angels around you home is more harder... Directly connected to empire.- 1st Wich 0.0 region what have NPC stations is not directly connected to empire ?? 2nd, yes FA is connected to Aridia... 15 ish jump from core... than you have to make 30+ jump in 0.1 - 0.4 to get to the nearest markets ... so FA is quite away from empire... If you try to make us look bad, at least get a clue... shiss Well say this again, CURSE HAS NO ARK! no nadda zip zilch. Oh and angels are the toughest in game all should feel thier rath!
Balazs Simon	Posted - 2005.06.29 15:39:00 - [82] Ok, Ok, than no ark in curse.. this is than 3 point for me 1 for the ATUK guys.. I won... But who the hell care about Arkonor?? Mining The best ark give you less than mining Crystalin Crokit.. and you have that in curse.... The more I look the map the more I see that the best ballanced part of the game are the regions.. FA is not special, nor better nor worst than any other NPC soverign 0.0 systems. Easiest NPC for us mean bad loot... you guys can find loots that worth billions.. I often see realy rare things on escrow from Angels for huge price.. and ppl buy it... So do not be gelous (spell?) or think your region is not that good. They are quite ballanced in every term...

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