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Qalten	Posted - 2005.06.15 15:10:00 - [31] Originally by: Redundancy ...You're also getting the ability to deploy a Outpost and attempt to run true convoys with freighters - last I checked, those have a capacity of up to around 1 million m3 or about 15 days of large POS operation running at full power and cpu... Last I heard Freighter cargo was going to be something like 100k m3. So it's up to 1,000,000? /me drools all over his desk EVE Diplomacy Table
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2005.06.15 15:24:00 - [32] Edited by: Rod Blaine on 15/06/2005 15:24:26 Originally by: Qalten Originally by: Redundancy ...You're also getting the ability to deploy a Outpost and attempt to run true convoys with freighters - last I checked, those have a capacity of up to around 1 million m3 or about 15 days of large POS operation running at full power and cpu... Last I heard Freighter cargo was going to be something like 100k m3. So it's up to 1,000,000? /me drools all over his desk Expanders and a higher base cargo I guess. _______________________________________________ Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know. Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online Solutions to your issues.
prsr	Posted - 2005.06.15 15:26:00 - [33] Originally by: Simon Illian please give us some info in the POS changement.We need time to adapt. Since Redundancy is tight-lipped on the other "boosts" that are coming for starbases, I do think it would be nice to inform the playerbase of the changes concerning them. At the moment a starbase is the biggest target anyone can choose to put up in space so it would be fair to keep owners informed on what is going to happen in some detail. Depending on how dreads are introduced, I'm expecting them to show up at starbases in the first weekend after the first few are built. So very little time to prepare (I know, that goes for attackers too). Starbase changes dev blog please.
The Enslaver	Posted - 2005.06.15 15:32:00 - [34] Originally by: Rod Blaine Edited by: Rod Blaine on 15/06/2005 15:24:26 Originally by: Qalten Originally by: Redundancy ...You're also getting the ability to deploy a Outpost and attempt to run true convoys with freighters - last I checked, those have a capacity of up to around 1 million m3 or about 15 days of large POS operation running at full power and cpu... Last I heard Freighter cargo was going to be something like 100k m3. So it's up to 1,000,000? /me drools all over his desk Expanders and a higher base cargo I guess. They won't have slots. Afaik. -------- FireFoxx80: If you think you can do a better job, go find yourself a datacentre to host a box, get a copy of Visual Studio, and STFU.
Tokka Konnair	Posted - 2005.06.15 15:36:00 - [35] Originally by: Balazs Simon And will stop and fail on the first sign of any enemy.(especialy an enemy with dreads) when i first read that i thought you were afraid of characters with dreadlocks instead of dreadnaughts :) __________________________________________
Baldigan Joackim	Posted - 2005.06.15 15:45:00 - [36] Edited by: Baldigan Joackim on 15/06/2005 15:46:01 Lol did dreads will have dreads ?
Simon Illian	Posted - 2005.06.15 15:46:00 - [37] actualy fueling a large Pos with full Heavy Water & Full liquid Ozone is : 41 496 m3 15 days of fuel is : 82 992m3 so if freighter are 1Millions m3 you can fuel a large POS for 24 week. So i hope they are NOT 1Millions m3, if it's that this mean 1 week of fuel for a large pos is 500 000 m3, equal 42 travel from empire to 0.0 with a 12 000 m3 hauleur (safety), equal if you are 20 jumps away from empire 1680 jumps (i count the return too ouf). So i can safely assume, if i don't repack POS, that it's well 100 000m3 who make sense. And good news, if you can have 4 of them, they may be little cheap ... or invulnerable.
Balazs Simon	Posted - 2005.06.15 15:59:00 - [38] Originally by: Tokka Konnair Originally by: Balazs Simon And will stop and fail on the first sign of any enemy.(especialy an enemy with dreads) when i first read that i thought you were afraid of characters with dreadlocks instead of dreadnaughts :) LoL not ment to scare you NPC sovenerity: Just a few tought for that... I was wondering around in Stain area lately due to the war, and wnet up into the NPC soverin regions... My jaws dropped... hell of a lot station stuff and agents are there... I tought HELL Fountain is tiny (spell?) compared to this... In FA we only have 5! system where are NPC stations. From now on, I just dont understand why everyone is pickin' on us... and complain about our NPC stations... About not being able to claim empire space: thx GOD! what more you want? A big green button what you push you get 10.000.000 isk every time ? Move to 0.0 if you want sovenerity! Anyway, the 25% is still fine, but the 50% much much much better, just because the TIME involved to refuel the poss. (not mentioning the regular covoys from empire) 1.000.000 m3 cargo for the frights now that sounds good! Maybe it will be worth to buy ICE products in empire.
Shayla Sh'inlux	Posted - 2005.06.15 16:10:00 - [39] NPC sovereignity vs the amount of stations in the regions is out of whack in the first place. Most regions are one big empty void of nothing interesting. Some other (coughCursecoughStaincough) have countless stations, many systems with countless belts of goodies and loads of NPC agents. Ark one jump from an NPC station? Jeez.... Other regions (ie Geminate, Outer Ring) have nothing beyond Jaspet except in a few rare systems that are also way off and have 15+ jumps to the nearest station, yet they are claimed. Simple question: will NWO change this? Or are Curse and Stain doomed to be the regions where the two alliances that can create the biggest blobs at any given time x live?
Redundancy	Posted - 2005.06.15 16:34:00 - [40] Edited by: Redundancy on 15/06/2005 16:39:14 You're right, I was remembering the consumption volumes incorrectly - my point stands, Freighters bring a significant hauling capacity to the table and markedly change the logistics of supplying a 0.0 POS through a local station or outpost as do a large number of other changes. As for the other POS changes, I'm fairly certain you can check out the consumptions as well as output increases on Sisi. And that, as they say, is all I have to say about that for the moment.
Harisdrop	Posted - 2005.06.15 17:42:00 - [41] Should POS's be allowed in NPC controlled space? That is the real question. I would think if your corps standing to a NPC sovereignty is bad then that NPC would not allow the POS from your corp in thier space! -------------------------- I am on alot of kill boards but the wrong column. I give the killmails to our enemys
Nifel	Posted - 2005.06.15 17:44:00 - [42] Fair enough. We'll see how it tunes out then =]. "We wield swords for the sound of laughter that used to be there long ago."
Harisdrop	Posted - 2005.06.15 17:50:00 - [43] Quote: It's 25% because I don't want to cripple everyone who doesn't want to or cannot claim sovereignty. That the lamest reason I have ever read. Communism is bad! We are not equal. Alliances should be super powers in this game. We should allow Alliances be game changers. Players should want to get sovereignty if they want to be game changers. Alliances are good small corps are fine but the little guy should know that they are nothing but ants!!! -------------------------- I am on alot of kill boards but the wrong column. I give the killmails to our enemys
Neslo	Posted - 2005.06.15 18:07:00 - [44] Originally by: Harisdrop Quote: It's 25% because I don't want to cripple everyone who doesn't want to or cannot claim sovereignty. That the lamest reason I have ever read. Communism is bad! We are not equal. Alliances should be super powers in this game. We should allow Alliances be game changers. Players should want to get sovereignty if they want to be game changers. Alliances are good small corps are fine but the little guy should know that they are nothing but ants!!! I gotta agree. POS's are meant to be multiplayer objectives. If single players want to do it they have to pay a heavy price OR join a multiplayer institution such as an alliance. If a corporation wants to keep a "secret" base from their alliance, this should also be allowed but for a huge penalty. This allows alliance members to keep tabs of stations in their space, otherwise there is a penalty. As for POS's in NPC space... the empires allow open piracy without hunting down members in 0.4 and lower... why not allow POS's to exsist... it's all 1/2 dozen of another. From Ashes to Ashes... From Dust to Dust....
Nifel	Posted - 2005.06.15 18:07:00 - [45] Just wardec them. "We wield swords for the sound of laughter that used to be there long ago."
Mistress D'Malice	Posted - 2005.06.15 18:56:00 - [46] All POS owners need some lovin thats for sure. But for Empire POS's, just reduce the fuel needs on towers or something. As for 0.0 ops, a 25% reduction and fixing the ice spawns in 0.0 space weould be better. The POS industry is doing well considering, a 50% reduction will KILL the market since every idiot will drop a POS and sell ore dirt cheap because it will take only 30mins a day to fuel the damn thing. Dont listen to people crying so much about POS's being hard to run, they SHOULD be. Your making 150-250M per week...owning your own space station...running your own refinery...WHY should that not require most of your time and effort? ------------------------------------------------ Black Lotus Official Forums - www.blacklotusclan.com Contact Me - [email protected]
IndependantTrader	Posted - 2005.06.15 23:46:00 - [47] Redundancy, the main problem I see with all this is that AGAIN Fountain is going to be overpowered. All the advantages you say regions like Curse and Stain have are attributable to Fountain. Furthermore Fountain has High end Ore AND NPC stations. Picture this: Fountains 5 core "sovreign systems" with NPC stations could effectively sealed off with 2 outposts, one on either side. You then have your own personal kingdom locked down with NPC STATIONS AND High end ore. Compare Fountain to Curse and Stain: Fountain: Direct access to empire space NPC stations AND High end ores Non Sovereign areas to be claimed. Curse: 2 Regions away from Empire NPC Stations but no High End Ores Totally sovereign. Stain: 2 Regions away from Empire NPC Stations but no High End Ores Totally sovereign.
Doshi Mazir	Posted - 2005.06.16 02:02:00 - [48] Originally by: IndependantTrader Picture this: Fountains 5 core "sovreign systems" with NPC stations could effectively sealed off with 2 outposts, one on either side. You then have your own personal kingdom locked down with NPC STATIONS AND High end ore. Could you elaborate how outposts would seal anything off please?
prangster	Posted - 2005.06.16 02:12:00 - [49] I'm a bit disapointed hearing some of the details of how soverignty with be handled in NPC controlled 0.0. I was really hoping to see the Gallente run down to Fountain and blow the Serpentis stations up with the remaining Solteurs. Then they could set up those crappy gallente PCS that make you undock in one of the arms of the station. After that, since they were all on their horses already the Gallente could run down to Curse and do the same thing in retaliation for its residents supporting the theft of the Titan. Oh man that would be a funny Event.
Hllaxiu	Posted - 2005.06.16 02:36:00 - [50] Originally by: IndependantTrader Picture this: Fountains 5 core "sovreign systems" with NPC stations could effectively sealed off with 2 outposts, one on either side. You then have your own personal kingdom locked down with NPC STATIONS AND High end ore. How do outposts lock down entrances?
Shayla Sh'inlux	Posted - 2005.06.16 11:04:00 - [51] Quote: Curse: 2 Regions away from Empire NPC Stations but no High End Ores Totally sovereign. Have you ever been to curse? It has high end ore all over the place...
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2005.06.16 11:16:00 - [52] Edited by: Rod Blaine on 16/06/2005 11:17:49 Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux Quote: Curse: 2 Regions away from Empire NPC Stations but no High End Ores Totally sovereign. Have you ever been to curse? It has high end ore all over the place... No it has not. Great Wildlands has, and the regions surrounding curse have. But curse itself does not. But its not relevant. Fountain region is inedeed the odd man out again. NPC stations and every conceivable good thing about a region is in it, yet unless nearly every other region with NPC stations it is not sovereign NPC factions space. Not that I care much, but it's odd nonetheless. _______________________________________________ Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know. Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online Solutions to your issues.
Balazs Simon	Posted - 2005.06.16 11:17:00 - [53] Originally by: IndependantTrader Redundancy, the main problem I see with all this is that AGAIN Fountain is going to be overpowered. All the advantages you say regions like Curse and Stain have are attributable to Fountain. Furthermore Fountain has High end Ore AND NPC stations. Picture this: Fountains 5 core "sovreign systems" with NPC stations could effectively sealed off with 2 outposts, one on either side. You then have your own personal kingdom locked down with NPC STATIONS AND High end ore. Compare Fountain to Curse and Stain: Fountain: Direct access to empire space NPC stations AND High end ores Non Sovereign areas to be claimed. Curse: 2 Regions away from Empire NPC Stations but no High End Ores Totally sovereign. Stain: 2 Regions away from Empire NPC Stations but no High End Ores Totally sovereign. You was never in any of those 0.0 areas, thats for sure. Fountain core is 30+ jump form high sec empire... Yes, aridia is only 15 ish jump, but than you have to make 40+ jump in pirate infested low sec empire to get to any market center.... High end in FA core?(<-I wish) The closest high end to any NPC station in FA is 3 jumps away. Arkonor is 5 - 6 jumps out. Stain and Curse have much much better ores, NPCs and stations than FA. Serpentis NPCs are medicore... Angels or Sahsnas drop much more expensive loots. Go and practice trolling elsewhere. FA regions only advantage in the view of this thread, that there are non NPC claimed systems. But when I last checked the map there were such regions all over the place in evey section of the map.
IndependantTrader	Posted - 2005.06.16 14:52:00 - [54] Originally by: Balazs Simon Originally by: IndependantTrader Redundancy, the main problem I see with all this is that AGAIN Fountain is going to be overpowered. All the advantages you say regions like Curse and Stain have are attributable to Fountain. Furthermore Fountain has High end Ore AND NPC stations. Picture this: Fountains 5 core "sovreign systems" with NPC stations could effectively sealed off with 2 outposts, one on either side. You then have your own personal kingdom locked down with NPC STATIONS AND High end ore. Compare Fountain to Curse and Stain: Fountain: Direct access to empire space NPC stations AND High end ores Non Sovereign areas to be claimed. Curse: 2 Regions away from Empire NPC Stations but no High End Ores Totally sovereign. Stain: 2 Regions away from Empire NPC Stations but no High End Ores Totally sovereign. You was never in any of those 0.0 areas, thats for sure. Fountain core is 30+ jump form high sec empire... Yes, aridia is only 15 ish jump, but than you have to make 40+ jump in pirate infested low sec empire to get to any market center.... High end in FA core?(<-I wish) The closest high end to any NPC station in FA is 3 jumps away. Arkonor is 5 - 6 jumps out. Stain and Curse have much much better ores, NPCs and stations than FA. Serpentis NPCs are medicore... Angels or Sahsnas drop much more expensive loots. Go and practice trolling elsewhere. FA regions only advantage in the view of this thread, that there are non NPC claimed systems. But when I last checked the map there were such regions all over the place in evey section of the map. Clueless. The First System of Aridia is ONE JUMP from the first system of Fountain, hence you have direct access to empire space. High end ore 3 Jumps from an NPC Station? THAT IS THE DEFINITION OF CLOSE Curse Has NO HIGH END ORES what so ever. NONE. Angels are widely agreed (including by the devs) to be the hardest pirates to fight. Anyone who hunts them regularly knows their loot sucks. Name ANY other region of the game that has "most" of the following: Next Door to Empire Space NPC Stations Factionless Space 10/10 Complex High End Ore There arnt any other regions like that in the game.
The Enslaver	Posted - 2005.06.16 15:03:00 - [55] Edited by: The Enslaver on 16/06/2005 15:03:51 Right, lets get this over with. Curse has no rare ores, the highest is hedbergite and hemorphite. Curse is a hole. Stain has the very much under-rated Gneiss, and mining it in same system as a station when done properly is more profitable than Arkonor 2+ jumps away, due to zyd price. Stain has Gneiss pretty much everywhere. Fountain has arkonor, bistot and crokite. Unsure about Mercoxit, but wouldn't be surprised. Venal has mercoxit, bistot and crokite. Great Wildlands has Mercoxit, Arkonor and Bistot. Syndicate has crokite. Pure Blind has Crokite. Geminate has Crokite. I think that covers it. Basically, contrary to popular belief - Curse is the worst NPC sovereign region in the game. -------- FireFoxx80: If you think you can do a better job, go find yourself a datacentre to host a box, get a copy of Visual Studio, and STFU.
prsr	Posted - 2005.06.16 15:25:00 - [56] Originally by: IndependantTrader The First System of Aridia is ONE JUMP from the first system of Fountain, hence you have direct access to empire space. That first jump is 0.0. The second is 0.0 again. You can generalize all you want and call it empire but the fact remains fountain core to empire space like yulai is 30+ jumps going through empire 0.0 first and all kinds of low-sec space after that. Did I mention Gonditsa is on that shortest route too? Originally by: IndependantTrader High end ore 3 Jumps from an NPC Station? THAT IS THE DEFINITION OF CLOSE Wow, you're trying to tell me there are no other regions with high-end ore "close" to a station? I know a system that has got 8 belts of crokite and it's right next to an empire system in 0.4 with a refining station. It's not even camped all day long in contradiction to what all the carebears are claiming. Originally by: IndependantTrader Curse Has NO HIGH END ORES what so ever. NONE. It also has more agents then you can shake a stick at. With the next patch, even curse will get access to zydrine btw. Originally by: IndependantTrader Angels are widely agreed (including by the devs) to be the hardest pirates to fight. Anyone who hunts them regularly knows their loot sucks. Serpentis loot sucks, angel loot sucks, all loot sucks... Let's all get together and declare the whole map sucks. Except fountain of course, it's a regular walhalla. Originally by: IndependantTrader Name ANY other region of the game that has "most" of the following: Next Door to Empire Space NPC Stations Factionless Space 10/10 Complex High End Ore There arnt any other regions like that in the game. Stop whining and get a hunting pass if you want it so bad.
IndependantTrader	Posted - 2005.06.16 16:44:00 - [57] Originally by: prsr Originally by: IndependantTrader The First System of Aridia is ONE JUMP from the first system of Fountain, hence you have direct access to empire space. That first jump is 0.0. The second is 0.0 again. You can generalize all you want and call it empire but the fact remains fountain core to empire space like yulai is 30+ jumps going through empire 0.0 first and all kinds of low-sec space after that. Did I mention Gonditsa is on that shortest route too? Originally by: IndependantTrader High end ore 3 Jumps from an NPC Station? THAT IS THE DEFINITION OF CLOSE Wow, you're trying to tell me there are no other regions with high-end ore "close" to a station? I know a system that has got 8 belts of crokite and it's right next to an empire system in 0.4 with a refining station. It's not even camped all day long in contradiction to what all the carebears are claiming. Originally by: IndependantTrader Curse Has NO HIGH END ORES what so ever. NONE. It also has more agents then you can shake a stick at. With the next patch, even curse will get access to zydrine btw. Originally by: IndependantTrader Angels are widely agreed (including by the devs) to be the hardest pirates to fight. Anyone who hunts them regularly knows their loot sucks. Serpentis loot sucks, angel loot sucks, all loot sucks... Let's all get together and declare the whole map sucks. Except fountain of course, it's a regular walhalla. Originally by: IndependantTrader Name ANY other region of the game that has "most" of the following: Next Door to Empire Space NPC Stations Factionless Space 10/10 Complex High End Ore There arnt any other regions like that in the game. Stop whining and get a hunting pass if you want it so bad. Wow, good, logical arguements FOR THE WIN. Explain how Fountain ISNT unbalanced. What are the disadvantages of it? It even has agents!
Harisdrop	Posted - 2005.06.16 16:55:00 - [58] Fountain is like any other region in space. If you want it and have the forces to get it try and take it. With this new patch you will have plenty of targets! -------------------------- I am on alot of kill boards but the wrong column. I give the killmails to our enemys
Allen Deckard	Posted - 2005.06.16 17:07:00 - [59] Why do npc corps have sov in .0 anyway?
Harisdrop	Posted - 2005.06.16 17:11:00 - [60] Originally by: Allen Deckard Why do npc corps have sov in .0 anyway? Pirates need a home also. Thats real balance. Its like joining the Anarchry group on College campus! -------------------------- I am on alot of kill boards but the wrong column. I give the killmails to our enemys

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