What if instead of Changing NPC AI to target drones. They would just remove the aggression factor on drones so you have to activate them manually.This would remove the (sit and wait). In order to make all players earn their isk with hard work. Make drones effective again. I agree with the NPC Switching target. I disagree to the drones being targeted.

( Are the ships not balanced between weapons and drones ? )

If yes Then let them be used as such.

I hope this gets to CCP.

There is no problem with drones in l4 missions. Even I got sucked into the hype and was worried about plexes post retri but after testing l4 in drone boats you have to be a moron to lose drones.

Why are people still posting these threads?

Cause morons like you do not understand that PVE isnt limited to lvl 4 missions (which simply became frustrating). Also this change brings major disbalance in PVE both ship and region wise. But ofc you need a lvl 1 reading and lvl 1 brain presence skills to understand that.

Far as I experienced so far, if you take the FULL aggro, your drones are safe.

It means that, you will be tanking (taking damage) and drone do the shooting (deal damage).

It's not advisable to have drones and other type of damage (missiles, guns...) - you can't achive good result with mixed damage (everyone says - do not mix guns).

So, stick with your drones, get the highest skills for them and tank.

Well you are wrong some NPC will switch targets straight up and blow up your drones even if your tanking the complete room, I believe all the elite frigates/Cruisers for Smalls drones.

I am aware that using drones can be done, Meaning Smalls drone (with exceptions) and to a degree Sentry drones. Try using large drones in a mission lvl 4 and get back to me. But that is not my point.

My thread is about Changing the drone Auto attack (Disabled) and getting the drones off the hook as targets.

I believe this would serve DEV plan and Make the drones effective.

And PLZ no insults in my thread

The devs don't really read these forums. There's a post in the test server forum for feedback. If npcs never switched to drones, there are ships that would never even equip a weapon, and would have an uber permatank. The AI is a lot better than it was at release, and it mostly playable now.

What if instead of Changing NPC AI to target drones. They would just remove the aggression factor on drones so you have to activate them manually.This would remove the (sit and wait). In order to make all players earn their isk with hard work. Make drones effective again. I agree with the NPC Switching target. I disagree to the drones being targeted.

( Are the ships not balanced between weapons and drones ? )

If yes Then let them be used as such.

I hope this gets to CCP.

so explain this disbalance to lvl1 moron's like myself????

or have to log in some ghetto logi alt and play "guess which drones are in armour".

Well you are wrong some NPC will switch targets straight up and blow up your drones even if your tanking the complete room, I believe all the elite frigates/Cruisers for Smalls drones.

I am aware that using drones can be done, Meaning Smalls drone (with exceptions) and to a degree Sentry drones. Try using large drones in a mission lvl 4 and get back to me. But that is not my point.

My thread is about Changing the drone Auto attack (Disabled) and getting the drones off the hook as targets.

I believe this would serve DEV plan and Make the drones effective.

And PLZ no insults in my thread

[... it was the afkers just making money for no real work.

Cause morons like you do not understand that PVE isnt limited to lvl 4 missions (which simply became frustrating). Also this change brings major disbalance in PVE both ship and region wise. But ofc you need a lvl 1 reading and lvl 1 brain presence skills to understand that.

Well you are wrong some NPC will switch targets straight up and blow up your drones even if your tanking the complete room, I believe all the elite frigates/Cruisers for Smalls drones.

I am aware that using drones can be done, Meaning Smalls drone (with exceptions) and to a degree Sentry drones. Try using large drones in a mission lvl 4 and get back to me. But that is not my point.

My thread is about Changing the drone Auto attack (Disabled) and getting the drones off the hook as targets.

I believe this would serve DEV plan and Make the drones effective.

And PLZ no insults in my thread

So what other pve are you talking about? Not sleeper obviously, not l4s as you say... FW missions, plexes? There is no difference when it comes to drones.

This thread is about drones, not NPCs switching aggro to other ships which IS a problem for L5s and for people who fleet up for pve.

L4s haven't got any more frustrating - unless you think scooping and redeploying a drone once or twice per mission is frustrating.

Where is the 'major' disbalance you speak of? Explain yourself or link the thread. You saying you can't be bothered is because you are talking rubbish and have nothing to back up what you're saying.

DRONES ARE FINE IN LEVEL 4 MISSIONS. In fact, I'm tempted to use a domi now as a main mission boat as doing 1k dps (998) while sitting in one place with epic damage projection and tracking and being immune to EWAR seems to be pretty good to me.

Outside grade school you won't win any fans without trying to back up your statements. The only hint you gave us is that 'missions aren't all pve'.

Meanwhile you are spreading disinformation and making noobs panic.

You can safely ignore that idiot.
He doesn't have the skills he is talking about: lvl 1 reading and lvl 1 brain presence :)

Just for the drones bit in that semi-coherent raging- in level 5's if you deploy light drones to 9km, It is more than likely you will lose one before that elite frigate is dead. Today i deployed hobs on a scram/web frigate about that far out , when i noticed one was at 90% shield i recalled- 2 died elite frigate stayed alive in structure.. Sentries with a domi in level 5's you can pull back in in armor. I shouldnt have to say it but this is a needless pain in the as5 and waste of my time. CCP will realize how fully serious i am about keeping my accounts in 5 days and 16 hours.

aye, and if you'd played all your career with drones and an AI that shot at drones, you'd have realised that leaving your drones on the frigates would have avoided turning on their MWDs, and that scoop range to a 9km frigate is only 7.5km. If you webbed the target right away, you could have followed your drones towards it, and as soon as they switched, you would have accelerated towards the brawl, and have been another km or two closer to retrieval at the critical point (which is a fair percentage of the travel distance actually required), and you would have only attempted to retrieve the drones after at least 1 frigate died, as the most dangerous frigate is the frigate that your MWD BLOOM drones are flying DIRECTLY AWAY from. Drifiting drones are at far less danger from frigates orbiting them, than they are from frigates they are leaving.

Granted those brief moments of paying a lot of attention take the finger off d-scan, but thats another story and another issue.

Easy for someone to say that when they've already spent years perfecting their weapon skills and not thier drones skills, for those who actually uses drones as weapons this new drone AI is the same as removing the usefulness of all Gallente ships in any PvE roles, remember 67% of gallente ships are pure drone boats, might as well remove the Gallente race if ccp is going to kill drone boats, we all have our own styles of weapon choice to each of our own uniqueness

This would be nice in a perfect world where i'm not in a battleship without a MWD. Not in a bs that is not neuted out. Not in a battleship that is webbed. Or i guess not in my Cap-chained battleships that have no webs or MWD's . Or if i had decided to fit a 100000MN MWD to my carrier. The level of micromanagement that you are suggesting is stupid. It really doesn't matter about the MWD Bloom of the drones when they are webbed- they just die. As someone who has spent their 'entire career ' with drones and AI that shot at them that should be an easy concept. I end up shooting elite frigates with cruise missiles because it is sadly faster and cheaper now. Its also pretty dumb right?

Oh god forbid you have difficult content in a level 5 mission. Honestly my heart bleeds.

I looked over the reports and the ones that I've done, dangerous frigate traps are not common. Some missions have no frigates. some missions start all frigates at range. some missions allow you to reposition during the prior fight, and very few missions are stuffing you through a gate into frigates or forcing you to be at place X when they spawn.

I suspect that you'll relearn a couple of target lists in missions that you will keep doing to ensure you sentry them first, you'll make a little sticky note on your monitor with a mission name or two to throw back, and you might change a fit for 1 mission and then you'll be done with it.

Yes things will go pear shaped if you aren't paying attention, but that is intended.

Only place where you could really afk from downtime to downtime and farm was a specific COSMOS site, and that was fixed/nerfed not so long ago. And there wasn't more than dozen people doing it.

For missions? If you wanted to afk it you got silly low effective dps and very long completion times so low isk/hr.

Agree with most of what you say here- at the same time realizing you apparently missed the point.