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Posted - 2013.01.08 14:20:00 -
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tl;dr freighters that fly when their corp/alliance are wardecced die
Who would have imagined that?  |
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Posted - 2013.01.08 14:38:00 -
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Skydell wrote:Othran wrote:tl;dr freighters that fly when their corp/alliance are wardecced die Who would have imagined that? Agreed considering you can fly them in state corps just as well. Though I do support a rethinking on the alpha vulnerability of such an expensive ship.
Wasn't any alpha going on in those killmails.
You want to alpha a freighter then you need to be setup to do that specific job so I don't think it really needs a lot of rethinking.
Freighters are vulnerable on the undock and the jump-in.
Insta-undocks largely solve one problem, scouting ahead/watching map solves the other - gods know you have plenty of time to think about things on the warps  |
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Posted - 2013.01.08 14:51:00 -
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Pak Narhoo wrote:How many insta undocks lead directly to a stargate? And a Freighter even with max skills takes still more then 30 seconds to align and warp off. You could have a buddy with a web nearby, but you're still so utterly slow that your best defense during a war is NOT TO UNDOCK THE BLOODY 1.5 BIL TURTLE! 
Obviously you don't undock it in a wardec
The point is that the freighter is vulnerable at undock and jump-in during its high-sec journey when you're not in a war. If you can't deal with that then don't fly the bloody thing.
Edit - and I have no clue at all wtf you're on about stargates - INSTA UNDOCK is what I said, not pick some celestial which is roughly aligned. |
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Aeil wrote:How many frigs or destroyers would it take to 1 shot a freighter? That would be cool to see.
Assuming a 1-1.5k alpha then about 150 Thrashers.
I'm sure some high-sec afk freighter pilot will be along soon saying that should be nerfed |
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Posted - 2013.01.08 15:57:00 -
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Tier 3 BCs are a different discussion peeps. I think we all know they're just a little too good to last for long with their current stats.
Freighters are fine as they are and one of my alts has undocked hundreds of times from Jita 4M4. He doesn't do that alone whether its a Freighter or a Jump Freighter and nor does he align at the undock. He's still alive. |
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Posted - 2013.01.08 16:26:00 -
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Shadowschild wrote:The problem with any mmorpg, every time they introduce a new class, race or in this case a ship. Is that you have a certain balance issue to iron out over time. The players in eve found a way to use the Tier 3 BC to pop freighters easily. So in resoponse, it's resonable to buff freighters one way or another. Perhaps a single lowslot to either carry more cargo (at the risk of being ganked even easier), damage control for survivability or speed/agility again, at a cost of hull hp.
T3 BCs have made alpha'ing a JF possible. Killing freighters has always been possible. |
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Posted - 2013.01.08 16:42:00 -
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Zilero wrote:The real problem with jump freighters is that they are WAY too safe.
In fact, their ability to jump OUT of hisec should be nerfed.
We are talking about the ONLY ship that can undock from a station in hisec and move several systems over without ever being lockable or in any danger as it can jump to a cyno before the invulnerability from undocking runs out....
This is in effect a 100% negation of a wardec making it possible for you to sustain a war effort without ever being in danger of losing your ship.
Then you take them on the cyno chain (kill/bubble cyno) or the route back in when they're slowboating. JFs can't carry that much anyway and nerfing them achieves little - other than to screw up small corp logistics.
Kill an empty JF and that's 6-7bill or so. |
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Posted - 2013.01.08 16:43:00 -
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Lilan Kahn wrote:Othran wrote:Shadowschild wrote:The problem with any mmorpg, every time they introduce a new class, race or in this case a ship. Is that you have a certain balance issue to iron out over time. The players in eve found a way to use the Tier 3 BC to pop freighters easily. So in resoponse, it's resonable to buff freighters one way or another. Perhaps a single lowslot to either carry more cargo (at the risk of being ganked even easier), damage control for survivability or speed/agility again, at a cost of hull hp. T3 BCs have made alpha'ing a JF possible. Killing freighters has always been possible. er? and you coudnt alpha jf before Tier 3 bc's?
Depends how much you wanted to spend on high-sec ganks.
Edit - perhaps a better wrod would be practical - as in T3 BCs have made alpha'ing a JF practical. |
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Posted - 2013.01.08 16:58:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Othran wrote:Shadowschild wrote:The problem with any mmorpg, every time they introduce a new class, race or in this case a ship. Is that you have a certain balance issue to iron out over time. The players in eve found a way to use the Tier 3 BC to pop freighters easily. So in resoponse, it's resonable to buff freighters one way or another. Perhaps a single lowslot to either carry more cargo (at the risk of being ganked even easier), damage control for survivability or speed/agility again, at a cost of hull hp. T3 BCs have made alpha'ing a JF possible. Killing freighters has always been possible. Indeed. I'm also curious as you say 3 Talos can easily gank a freighter before Concord recovers from being led away and gets into the action.
I think you're replying to someone else there.
AFAIK deliberately "baiting" Concorde is an exploit, as are all other methods of deliberately delaying/enhancing Concorde response (ie you're dead). |
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Posted - 2013.01.08 17:09:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Othran wrote:
Depends how much you wanted to spend on high-sec ganks.
Edit - perhaps a better word would be practical - as in T3 BCs have made alpha'ing a JF practical.
Megathron / Tempest + Insurance = Talos / Megathron - Insurance, I see no added practical here with Tier 3 Gankers.
Fair enough, I never saw it happen with BSs and I have (several times) with Tornados. |
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Posted - 2013.01.08 17:15:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Sorry for the confusion.
No problem, its that sort of thread really
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Posted - 2013.01.08 17:29:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:
Show me the profit in killing an empty JF
You win the "isk war". |
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Posted - 2013.01.08 18:51:00 -
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Caius Sivaris wrote:
You're ********.... Back in time you alphaed one with an insured Tempest that costed only 90M, now you alpha it with an uninsured Tornado... Insured BS were a lot less expensive to use than the uninsured t3 BC of today.
Yeah yeah and back when I started there was no tracking and no sig res on guns. There were no BS, never mind alpha ones.
Epeen contest over so go eye yourself up in the mirror. |
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