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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.10.09 09:13:00 -
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GǪand until I hear otherwise from an official source, decshields are exploits and should be reported so they can be broken up and so that repeat offenders can get banned and/or disbanded.
GÇöGÇöGÇö
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
88
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Posted - 2011.10.09 10:59:00 -
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Simple. EVERYBODY WARDEC Eve Uni.
Gank on sight outside 1.0 systems.
We need a EveUniGeddon :)
This is exactly why Eve is dying and CCP is gona go bankrupt. Because CCP has no clue about Eve.
Himlar caves in order to give everything what newbies demand in order to retain customers to keep World of Darkness on track.
Ship spinning, new Font, NERF of ships (CCP even has the balls to ASK US why we like the ships we do, to save them thinking and what to nerf). Even Concord is getting a buff? umm it's already effective, you go criminal, you die. Isn't that effective? lol
If you got demands, get them in now, while Himlar is BEGGING in his puddle of tears. |
Solstice Project
Cult of Personality
48
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Posted - 2011.10.09 11:23:00 -
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Confirming that there are idiots posting on a forum about internet space pixels
calling other people obsessed, totally denying the level of care they put into what they do in this game.
Also confirming that EvE is meant to hurt and whoever doesn't care,
never gets an adrenaline rush anyway and misses 80% of the fun of the game.
You guys are a poor excuse of human beings.
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Solstice Project
Cult of Personality
48
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Posted - 2011.10.09 11:24:00 -
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Miilla wrote:Simple. EVERYBODY WARDEC Eve Uni.
Gank on sight outside 1.0 systems.
We need a EveUniGeddon :)
This is exactly why Eve is dying and CCP is gona go bankrupt. Because CCP has no clue about Eve.
Himlar caves in order to give everything what newbies demand in order to retain customers to keep World of Darkness on track.
Ship spinning, new Font, NERF of ships (CCP even has the balls to ASK US why we like the ships we do, to save them thinking and what to nerf). Even Concord is getting a buff? umm it's already effective, you go criminal, you die. Isn't that effective? lol
If you got demands, get them in now, while Himlar is BEGGING in his puddle of tears.
*LOL* |
Mocam
EVE University
Ivy League
20
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Posted - 2011.10.09 12:08:00 -
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You really don't get it at all.
It is known that CCP wants to help new players to stick around in the game. There are rumors floating around about how they want to do it. CCP has made no announcements so, until such is made, nothing has been done. We've seen things on SiSi that never left that server and this is just "rumors" with nothing substantial backing it up at this time.
As for such rumors: Any "special treatment" wouldn't be just for EVE University.
It is fairly well understood that successfully keeping new subscribers in this game often depends on finding a "good fit" player corporation early on. EVE University is a "good corporation" - for SOME people. It is not a good fit for many others. It's rules are too strict, it's attitudes and limits on "expressing yourself" are deemed parochial, so on and so forth.
Exactly what CCP are looking at doing is pure speculation but there is a loose association being built between new player training corporations to try and assist each other in placing new players in the best learning environment for them. As far as I am aware it is being arranged by the training corps themselves - CCP "may" be involved in some fashion but that would be 'beyond my paygrade', as it were.
No - EVE University is not the only group out here working on helping and training new players - it is the largest and best known but far from the only one.
Hint: When CCP releases info - that's something to count on and gripe about. When a member of a corporation makes a statement - it should probably be looked at a bit closer for supporting evidence beyond "member 1,038 said..." vs manager, director or maybe even a CEO...
PS: McDarila's been around the uni a while now - a bit under HALF the time I've been here. Both of us are nothing more than senior style members so anything we say here or on our own forums boils down to our opinions on a given topic.
As for the Privateers - those WSOP rules you detest so much... They were formed more due to wars with this group than any other group the uni has fought.
WEEKS of war means hands-on classes aren't run much and that hurts the newest players - "tackling 101" - you can listen to the lecture but there's nothing like "target coming through the gate in a sec... tackle it." then "no, not the gate - the ship. Yes, those gate guns suck in a frigate. go get a new ship and..." hands on instruction.
The types of players who ask 'what is D-Scan?" and "why are bookmarks important? are the ones that McDarila tends to try and watch out for and that is why they see the Privateers as a major threat.
BC Hastings is more a "businessman" than your typical lulz-ganker. If he's destroying and looting more than it's costing, he'll keep a war going. Wars don't stop lectures but they do impact hands-on classes. That doesn't mess with senior types - it does our newest members.
As such, McDarila got to grasping at straws hoping something happens - I'm less so that way. The WSOP will be back in a week and Hastings has a few wars worth of "it ain't worth it" under his belt. I doubt he'll renew and if he does... Not for long - It is not "profitable" to do so when we have the WSOP in full force. I tend to trust his greed a bit more than his word, for some odd reason. 
So - yes a knee-jerk reaction from a longer term member of the uni put a rumor out that you read as a fact. It isn't a fact and won't fit as such until/unless CCP decides it wants to to do something and announces it. Hoping for does not mean it happens - YOU may not remember a functional new toolbar on SiSi but some of us do and it went "poof". That at least many folks got to see - this? ...
Friggn wall of text.. sheesh...  |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
89
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Posted - 2011.10.09 12:17:00 -
[36] - Quote
yes absolutely retain new players, but walling off their corp is not the way to do it.
Eve is no garden of Eden.
They are already VERY protected in 1.0. Highsec empire IS very protected too, Concoord, you gank you die. and get a big penalty.
The biggest hurdle to retain new players is the skiling problem. but you don't want the solution, that is NEX skill packs and neural remaps and neural boosts
Eve takes too long to get anywhere, that is the problem of Eve compared to competitor MMO's.
They need to make it easier to train.
I have 55m SP, but it takes too bloody long.
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Spurty
V0LTA
VOLTA Corp
28
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Posted - 2011.10.09 12:19:00 -
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- We have goons trying to cut off the tap to blue ice
- We have pl trying to cut off T2 production
- We have eve uni teaching noobs how to play using the increasing cost of multiple wardecs to insulate them from boobie pvp at the Jita 4-4 undock
Sing along with me
"one of these things is not like the other..."
Op please go get some vitamin D
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CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off. |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
89
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Posted - 2011.10.09 12:30:00 -
[38] - Quote
So reduce the costs of wardeccing large alliances/ corps.
Or put a CAP on it.
Market control is part of Eve, CCP can seed items if need be.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
373
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Posted - 2011.10.09 12:32:00 -
[39] - Quote
Spurty wrote:- We have goons trying to cut off the tap to blue ice
- We have pl trying to cut off T2 production
- We have eve uni teaching noobs how to play using the increasing cost of multiple wardecs to insulate them from boobie pvp at the Jita 4-4 undock
Sing along with me
"one of these things is not like the other..." Agreed. One of these things is an exploit.
GÇöGÇöGÇö
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
89
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Posted - 2011.10.09 12:41:00 -
[40] - Quote
wardec management is an exploit?
Avoiding wardecs by making them more expensive to do is an exploit? |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
373
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Posted - 2011.10.09 12:46:00 -
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Miilla wrote:wardec management is an exploit?
Avoiding wardecs by making them more expensive to do is an exploit? Decshields are an exploit GÇö you are not allowed to use alt corps to wardec yourself to make it more expensive for actual enemies to dec you.
GÇöGÇöGÇö
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
89
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Posted - 2011.10.09 12:51:00 -
[42] - Quote
So reported it under exploits.
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Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
73
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Posted - 2011.10.09 13:28:00 -
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The whole idea of giving "training" corps special status is ridiculous to the extreme. It precludes one fact: that the members are living in highsec and are too stupid to take basic moves to protect themselves.
We're a WH corp. We, at times, take on new members because we like their attitude*. So does that make us a training corp? Can we fly around highsec in a magical cocoon if we chose to?
I was a new player once. Everyone who is part of the game was. I don't know why CCP can't get it into their heads that their ENTIRE PLAYER base are made up of people who survived, and continue to survive, the dog-eat-dog universe that is Eve.
New player retention? What about old player retention? If you break the universe as we've come to know it, we leave. Where then is your player base? You can forget about fixing nullsec or lowsec if you rig the new player experience to overly favour the highsec carebear lifestyle.
Who, honestly, watched Star Trek and wanted to be a captain of a science ship? Surely your childish dreams were to be a Klingon captain, and **** **** up, or was that just me?
* I'd like to also point out that our retention rate is 100% for keeping players in the game. Probably because they don't get bored shitless of missions and staying docked to avoid "mean PVPers."
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"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Karim alRashid
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
25
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Posted - 2011.10.09 13:41:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:
New player retention? What about old player retention? If you break the universe as we've come to know it, we leave. Where then is your player base? You can forget about fixing nullsec or lowsec if you rig the new player experience to overly favour the highsec carebear lifestyle.
You see, there's some conflict[1] between the original vision of EVE as a harsh, unforgiving universe and the masses of casual subscribers that want to play the game in easy mode, where making ISK and obtaining resources is easy and losses have no meaning whatsoever. And this applies for 0.0 and w-space life just as it applies for highsec life.
[1] Conflict .. I hope that there's a conflict and not that the strategy of increasing player base by providing casual carebear style of play (no matter highsec or 0..0) has already won.
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Effortless Breeze
Clandestine Vector
THE SPACE P0LICE
0
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Posted - 2011.10.09 13:48:00 -
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Tippia wrote: Decshields are an exploit GÇö you are not allowed to use alt corps to wardec yourself to make it more expensive for actual enemies to dec you.
Its apparently not an exploit when Ivy League does it.
They have been doing it for quite a long while. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
373
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Posted - 2011.10.09 13:50:00 -
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Effortless Breeze wrote:Its apparently not an exploit when Ivy League does it.
They have been doing it for quite a long while. GǪwhich rather leads to the conclusion that they need to be disbanded GÇö possibly with a few account suspensions sprinkled in for good measure.
GÇöGÇöGÇö
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Wot I Think
State War Academy
Caldari State
38
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Posted - 2011.10.09 13:57:00 -
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This would only be a breach of trust if it only applies to E-UNI.
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Molic Blackbird
Orion Faction Industries
Orion Consortium
0
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Posted - 2011.10.09 14:02:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Decshields are an exploit GÇö you are not allowed to use alt corps to wardec yourself to make it more expensive for actual enemies to dec you.
Quote:7) Using alt corps to artificially inflate the cost of war decs
Not an exploit due to cost involved and lack of other means to shield one self from constant war decs. That is, if you do apply the wars directly to the entity you want to drive up the war costs for. Declaring cheap wars on a corp that then joins up the alliance you want to GÇ£shieldGÇ¥ is considered an exploit as per the this notification (which still is the case), and you will get in trouble for doing that.
Source: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=117249#post117249 |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
373
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Posted - 2011.10.09 14:04:00 -
[49] - Quote
Ok. I still wish they would post these policies and the changes to them in a central location.
GÇöGÇöGÇö
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Korr'Tanas
EVE University
Ivy League
1
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Posted - 2011.10.09 14:31:00 -
[50] - Quote
Alright folks, here are some news, directly from the source:
super sikrit uni channel wrote:
n++[ 2011.10.08 21:17:03 ] Darian Reymont > See Poetic has leaked the news that we're getting wardec immunity from CCP?
n++[ 2011.10.08 21:17:10 ] Kelduum Revaan > he has?
n++[ 2011.10.08 21:17:13 ] Darian Reymont > Yep.
n++[ 2011.10.08 21:17:27 ] Kelduum Revaan > oooh, awesome, i was wondering when CCP would get back to me
n++[ 2011.10.08 21:19:26 ] Kelduum Revaan > maybe i should post saying "confirming we are all getting hisec titans, too"
n++[ 2011.10.08 21:20:02 ] Korr'Tanas > and aldrat becomes perma uni sov space
n++[ 2011.10.08 21:20:49 ] Kelduum Revaan > also, members can buy special concord battleships
n++[ 2011.10.08 21:21:42 ] Kelduum Revaan > and CCP is doubling all SP for people in the Uni
n++[ 2011.10.08 21:21:56 ] Korr'Tanas > and what about those ivy league navy super titans, we will get the BPOs for those, right?
n++[ 2011.10.08 21:22:01 ] Kelduum Revaan > yep
n++[ 2011.10.08 21:22:07 ] Darian Reymont > We're all getting free accounts and GM ships and can live in Jove space and everything will cost us the same amount as on Sisi and we will get everything on the NEX store for free and CCP will build us an actual university next to their offices.
There! The truth is out! Or is it? |
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Effortless Breeze
Clandestine Vector
THE SPACE P0LICE
0
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Posted - 2011.10.09 14:41:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Ok. I still wish they would post these policies and the changes to them in a central location. GǪstill, that still leaves the question of how long a Gǣlong whileGǥ is, since it was considered an exploit two years ago.
Their dec shield has been up in some form for most of 2011 iirc. |
Elisabetta Fordra
3
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Posted - 2011.10.09 14:44:00 -
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The OP's ability to get forum retards riled up never ceases to amaze me. The kid's "proof" is McDarila, Eve University's half-******** monkey, and, somehow, he still manages to convince people he has any ******* idea what he's talking about...
Poetic, when will you stop trolling Eve University? It's incredibly hard to be kicked from E UNI, yet somehow you managed to get yourself kicked. Instead of moving on with your life and EVE career, you go on a tirade, crying all over these forums, EVE UNI's forums and your blog about the big, bad, evil Eve University. You create a sock puppet to back you up because the forum retards in that thread weren't driving it in the direction you want. You get outed, and instead of finally moving on, you still keep trolling Eve University. Don't you see how pathetic you are? |
Ruby Hotrod
X Generation
0
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Posted - 2011.10.09 14:55:00 -
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Old timey poster from eve-o is a bitter vet like all the other bitter vets. Therefore this makes the discussion pointless as it is full of bitterness. |
Wot I Think
State War Academy
Caldari State
39
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Posted - 2011.10.09 15:25:00 -
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E-UNI deserves this as they are better than any other corporation out there, they are far more important too.
I don't care if you disagree, you are meaningless.
E-UNI FOREVER! |
USIRAREANIDIOT
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.10.09 16:36:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Miilla wrote:wardec management is an exploit?
Avoiding wardecs by making them more expensive to do is an exploit? Decshields are an exploit GÇö you are not allowed to use alt corps to wardec yourself to make it more expensive for actual enemies to dec you.
WRONG, WRONG, WRONG.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=117249#post117249
See post 70.
Now STFU |
Darian Reymont
EVE University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.10.09 16:42:00 -
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Responding will probably only feed the troll, but for the few people who are wondering I'll clear a couple of things up:
Firstly, we simply do not want special treatment. One of E-UNI's biggest strengths is that it is run by players, for players. If CCP wants to look at improving wardec mechanics for all corps, then that's fine with us, but we do not want to be able to do anything that any other corporation cannot. Singling us out would actually do us more harm than good, as we heavily depend on the good will of the many, many friends we have throughout New Eden, not only for the donations that keep us running, but also as potential recruiters for the thousands of students who pass through the University every year.
Secondly, yes we use a decshield. We started using it in May of 2011 and checked with CCP prior to doing so. I agree that CCP should share policy changes in a manner that is easier for the community to access, but this has nothing to do with E-UNI.
For the record, I'm not sure what McDarilla was referring to. Perhaps something was misunderstood, or misrepresented during the many discussions that occurred regarding wardec mechanics during our recent "NSOP" event (in which we dropped our regular wartime rule set for one month). Whatever happened, in the absence of any compelling evidence or information of any kind, there's really no reason (outside of yet another bitter attempt at smearing us) for this thread to even exist.
That said, having our own personal forum troll is like we've finally 'made it' as an alliance. It only took us seven and a half years!
Director of Human Resources
EVE University |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
390
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Posted - 2011.10.09 16:43:00 -
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USIRAREANIDIOT wrote:WRONG, WRONG, WRONG. Here's a tip: read the thread before making a fool of yourself.
Until you do, STFU yourself.
GÇöGÇöGÇö
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
GÇö Karath Piki-á |
USIRAREANIDIOT
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.10.09 16:53:00 -
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Tippia wrote:USIRAREANIDIOT wrote:WRONG, WRONG, WRONG. Here's a tip: read the thread before making a fool of yourself. Until you do, STFU yourself.
So where am I wrong? Number 7 is pretty clear that it is allowed. Show me different |
Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
19
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Posted - 2011.10.09 16:56:00 -
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USIRAREANIDIOT wrote:Tippia wrote:USIRAREANIDIOT wrote:WRONG, WRONG, WRONG. Here's a tip: read the thread before making a fool of yourself. Until you do, STFU yourself. So where am I wrong? Number 7 is pretty clear that it is allowed. Show me different Read this thread numbnuts.
CCP Zulu.....Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
USIRAREANIDIOT
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.10.09 17:04:00 -
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Mag's wrote:USIRAREANIDIOT wrote:Tippia wrote:USIRAREANIDIOT wrote:WRONG, WRONG, WRONG. Here's a tip: read the thread before making a fool of yourself. Until you do, STFU yourself. So where am I wrong? Number 7 is pretty clear that it is allowed. Show me different Read this thread numbnuts.
Anything specific? Because that thread from a GM is very, very specific. It is allowed to use wardecs from to raise the price of wardecs against your corp.
oh wait, I'm obligated to call you a name as well, how about Lil' Pecker? |
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