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Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
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Posted - 2011.10.08 20:47:00 -
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An old-timey member of EVE University wrote this perplexing comment on the E-Uni forums. (I've highlighted the most interesting statement.)
Quote:Well we got real problem war targets now. Personaly Privatetears has me going to full wsop mode effective NOW. We did not deck these guys they are not to be second guessed. I hope you like losing ships becouse its about to get nasty. These guys are not a joke it took a billion isk deck shield to kill off their last war with us. We are not allowed to pull that stunt again. I hope CCP is up to pushing the teaching deck shield up a little eariler. I dont like the sound of a repeat of the 3 months of solid real war. -- ( http://forum.eveuniversity.org/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=47360&start=720#p423724)
Would love to hear what this means from either CCP or EVE University. Without any additional information, it sounds like CCP is going to implement a permanent decshield for EVE University? What God Wants, God Gets, God Help Us All |
Ribaldry
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Posted - 2011.10.08 20:51:00 -
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More trolling by Poetic Stanziel. I'm not even remotely involved and am wondering when you'll stop being butthurt over the pixels. |
Barakkus
745
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Posted - 2011.10.08 20:53:00 -
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Um, topic doesn't exist...I call troll... |
Written Word
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
24
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Posted - 2011.10.08 20:57:00 -
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U mad bro?
You should probably get over it |
Milamara
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.10.08 20:59:00 -
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Confirming that CCP is going to implement immunity from wardecs. It will cost 42 plex per month to be immune. This was the idea of the CSM and CCP has embraced it. Want to beat the Goons at Forum Warfare? Leave the thread as soon as one of them replies to it and never go back. |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
72
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Posted - 2011.10.08 21:00:00 -
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Barakkus wrote:Um, topic doesn't exist...I call troll... I have to use a proxy to get to their forums. So I have to reconstruct the link and cannot test it.
On main Uni forum page (http://forum.eveuniversity.org), do the following:
EVE Discussion
NO SOP MONTH! - Sep 18th to Oct 16th
McDarila's post is on page 49 of that thread. Use Ctrl-F to locate McDarila.
=================================
It's no longer about being butthurt. Just notifying the community that there MAY BE some potential special favours heading E-Uni's way from CCP.
E-Uni does good for the newbie-end of the game, but no player-run corporation deserves special treatment from CCP.
What God Wants, God Gets, God Help Us All |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
72
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Posted - 2011.10.08 21:02:00 -
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Milamara wrote:Confirming that CCP is going to implement immunity from wardecs. "Teaching decshield" does not mean immunity ... it could mean many things. Probably it means an increased cost, that the Uni no longer has to cover themselves (in essence, CCP may be covering the costs of the decshield.)
At any rate, more information is needed.
What God Wants, God Gets, God Help Us All |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
72
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Posted - 2011.10.08 21:03:00 -
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Written Word wrote:U mad bro? That any player-run corporation might be getting special treatment from CCP? Of course.
What God Wants, God Gets, God Help Us All |
Abrazzar
163
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Posted - 2011.10.08 21:08:00 -
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Your medication. Take it. Paranoia's seeping through. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. |
Milamara
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.10.08 21:14:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Milamara wrote:Confirming that CCP is going to implement immunity from wardecs. "Teaching decshield" does not mean immunity ... it could mean many things. Probably it means an increased cost, that the Uni no longer has to cover themselves (in essence, CCP may be covering the costs of the decshield.) At any rate, more information is needed. No, it's immunity. Consider it confirmed. Want to beat the Goons at Forum Warfare? Leave the thread as soon as one of them replies to it and never go back. |
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Nandy Cocytus
Pandemonium Private Consultants LLC
10
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Posted - 2011.10.08 21:31:00 -
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Want a kleenex? So it goes. |
Lykouleon
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
132
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Posted - 2011.10.08 21:55:00 -
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Its like you're obsessed or something... Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER SO I CAN HIT THEM WITH MY SWORD |
Barakkus
745
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Posted - 2011.10.08 22:00:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Barakkus wrote:Um, topic doesn't exist...I call troll... I have to use a proxy to get to their forums. So I have to reconstruct the link and cannot test it. On main Uni forum page ( http://forum.eveuniversity.org), do the following: EVE Discussion NO SOP MONTH! - Sep 18th to Oct 16th McDarila's post is on page 49 of that thread. Use Ctrl-F to locate McDarila. ================================= It's no longer about being butthurt. Just notifying the community that there MAY BE some potential special favours heading E-Uni's way from CCP. E-Uni does good for the newbie-end of the game, but no player-run corporation deserves special treatment from CCP.
You do realize there is a mechanic to make yourself immune from wardecs. I won't post how you do it because I don't know if it's an exploit or not, perhaps that's what they're doing and has nothing to do with CCP. |
Handsome Hussein
21
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Posted - 2011.10.08 22:00:00 -
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inb4 explanation of how actually not butthurt, obsessed, or excessively crying. Leaves only the fresh scent of pine. |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
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Posted - 2011.10.08 22:02:00 -
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Lykouleon wrote:Its like you're obsessed or something... This ^^
He's almost as bad as that "Apostle" fellow and the Goons!!
Chillax..... Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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Jovan Geldon
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
38
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Posted - 2011.10.08 22:08:00 -
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This again?
You used to be amusing, like a slightly idiotic dog getting confused and bumping into a patio window, but now I'm actually a little concerned that you may be unhealthily obsessed with Eve University. |
Barakkus
745
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Posted - 2011.10.08 22:09:00 -
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Jovan Geldon wrote:This again?
You used to be amusing, like a slightly idiotic dog getting confused and bumping into a patio window, but now I'm actually a little concerned that you may be unhealthily obsessed with Eve University.
I have a feeling he got banned from their pub channel and is butthurt over it. |
Lovelocke
Enlightened Industries Test Friends Please Ignore
23
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Posted - 2011.10.08 23:21:00 -
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If it is true then I think it's a good thing.
The cycle is always the same: PvP (lol) corp wardecs the uni, they get blobbed by blackbirds and then complain that they got blobbed and that e-uni is full of noobs (lol). It'll be nice to see it become a lot more expensive to dec the uni so that only the more serious alliances would be interested, such as - dare I say - The 0rphanage, thereby effectively ensuring the uni actually gets some fights.
However I suspect this is just a comment taken out of context and portrayed in such a manner as to expose a possible conspiracy against the sanctity of all that is right with this MMO.
Poetic, any plans on what you'll be doing with your EVE career? I would imagine you've made yourself another account so that you can enjoy the other aspects of the game and not just these obsessive stalkings. To put things into perspective; while you've been circumnavigating whatever ban has been put in place to continue reading the forum of an alliance that kicked you out there has been an absolute ton of fighting happening in Delve; it's a real hot bed right now. My corp is just shy of 600 kills just for October so far. It is literally epic out here, why don't you lose your stiffy for the uni and come join us? |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
73
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Posted - 2011.10.08 23:36:00 -
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Lovelocke wrote:... there has been an absolute ton of fighting happening in Delve; it's a real hot bed right now. My corp is just shy of 600 kills just for October so far. It is literally epic out here, why don't you lose your stiffy for the uni and come join us? I'll be in Delve in three or five days. What God Wants, God Gets, God Help Us All |
Written Word
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
27
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Posted - 2011.10.09 00:43:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Written Word wrote:U mad bro? That any player-run corporation might be getting special treatment from CCP? Of course.
Hey, do you remember this?
I wus just trolling all along guyz I promise!
Your obsession is pretty unhealthy. Do yourself a favor and go away for awhile. |
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Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
74
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Posted - 2011.10.09 01:00:00 -
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Of course I remember. :)
While I may have been trolling, the troll was based on a kernel of truth, that Kelduum and CCP had been discussing ways in which to ease E-Uni's burdens (mainly with respect to wardecs), since E-Uni does a good job of newbie retention, and it is Kelduum's opinion that wardecs hinder that objective (I would disagree.)
McDarila's comment caught my attention, because maybe those discussions are continuing anew. McDarila's comment struck me just such a nugget that Kelduum would mention in Mumble to the students after one of his CCP dialogues.
Granted it is a vague comment, but not entirely vague that it shouldn't raise eyebrows (or cheers, depending on which side of the fence you come down on.) If CCP is working with E-Uni to add some level of immunity from wardecs to that player-run corporation, then they should let the playerbase know. Open communication and all that. Especially if they are devoting development/coding to the task.
And I read the Uni forums same as most people. There's good information there. As there is here.
What God Wants, God Gets, God Help Us All |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
349
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Posted - 2011.10.09 01:42:00 -
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itt: some pubbie still mad about being kicked out of E-Uni. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Azahni Vah'nos
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
30
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Posted - 2011.10.09 02:05:00 -
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I would have no problem with CCP helping EVE University from being wardec'd by small corporations. As long as EVE University does not exploit this and is monitored by CCP, then why not help them. One corporation out of thousands that is setup to help newbies, I believe is fine for CCP to nurture a little.
I'd prefer not to see EVE University go the way of NEW in Darkfall where NEW was repeatedly war dec'd by small clans which proved in the end to be of zero benefit to anyone.
In the end I'll ask just one question, "What would be more benificial for new players in EVE, an NPC corporation or EVE University?".
Nex (Cash Shop)-á/ Aurum - removing sand from the sandbox since Incarna |
Xercodo
Xovoni Directorate
84
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Posted - 2011.10.09 02:11:00 -
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Barakkus wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:Barakkus wrote:Um, topic doesn't exist...I call troll... I have to use a proxy to get to their forums. So I have to reconstruct the link and cannot test it. On main Uni forum page ( http://forum.eveuniversity.org), do the following: EVE Discussion NO SOP MONTH! - Sep 18th to Oct 16th McDarila's post is on page 49 of that thread. Use Ctrl-F to locate McDarila. ================================= It's no longer about being butthurt. Just notifying the community that there MAY BE some potential special favours heading E-Uni's way from CCP. E-Uni does good for the newbie-end of the game, but no player-run corporation deserves special treatment from CCP. You do realize there is a mechanic to make yourself immune from wardecs. I won't post how you do it because I don't know if it's an exploit or not, perhaps that's what they're doing and has nothing to do with CCP.
If you mean having 3 war decs open that doesnt work The Drake is a Lie |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
74
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Posted - 2011.10.09 03:32:00 -
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Azahni Vah'nos wrote:I would have no problem with CCP helping EVE University from being wardec'd by small corporations. As long as EVE University does not exploit this and is monitored by CCP, then why not help them. One corporation out of thousands that is setup to help newbies, I believe is fine for CCP to nurture a little. Except that EVE University has survived seven years of wardecs, and has flourished through times far tougher than they are now. So, why the need for special considerations now? EVE University is not in any danger of "going under." It's stronger than it ever has been as an organization, and that can be chalked up to Kelduum's leadership.
What God Wants, God Gets, God Help Us All |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
353
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Posted - 2011.10.09 05:45:00 -
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You have brought shame upon your family by creating this thread. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
75
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Posted - 2011.10.09 05:47:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:You have brought shame upon your family by creating this thread. I'm still coming over tomorrow for Thanksgiving dinner, Mom. Let's just agree that there'll be no EVE talk at the table this year. You're still making my favourite, mashed turnips, right? What God Wants, God Gets, God Help Us All |
Pesky LaRue
Mercatoris Etherium Cartel
22
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Posted - 2011.10.09 05:53:00 -
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pretty pathetic. again. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
128
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Posted - 2011.10.09 07:34:00 -
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my awning shields my deck from the sun
if you have a problem with that you can kiss my ass |
Nykky Syxx
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.10.09 09:09:00 -
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OP needs to get a life. |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
367
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Posted - 2011.10.09 09:13:00 -
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GǪand until I hear otherwise from an official source, decshields are exploits and should be reported so they can be broken up and so that repeat offenders can get banned and/or disbanded. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
88
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Posted - 2011.10.09 10:59:00 -
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Simple. EVERYBODY WARDEC Eve Uni.
Gank on sight outside 1.0 systems.
We need a EveUniGeddon :)
This is exactly why Eve is dying and CCP is gona go bankrupt. Because CCP has no clue about Eve.
Himlar caves in order to give everything what newbies demand in order to retain customers to keep World of Darkness on track.
Ship spinning, new Font, NERF of ships (CCP even has the balls to ASK US why we like the ships we do, to save them thinking and what to nerf). Even Concord is getting a buff? umm it's already effective, you go criminal, you die. Isn't that effective? lol
If you got demands, get them in now, while Himlar is BEGGING in his puddle of tears. |
Solstice Project
Cult of Personality
48
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Posted - 2011.10.09 11:23:00 -
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Confirming that there are idiots posting on a forum about internet space pixels calling other people obsessed, totally denying the level of care they put into what they do in this game.
Also confirming that EvE is meant to hurt and whoever doesn't care, never gets an adrenaline rush anyway and misses 80% of the fun of the game.
You guys are a poor excuse of human beings.
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Solstice Project
Cult of Personality
48
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Posted - 2011.10.09 11:24:00 -
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Miilla wrote:Simple. EVERYBODY WARDEC Eve Uni.
Gank on sight outside 1.0 systems.
We need a EveUniGeddon :)
This is exactly why Eve is dying and CCP is gona go bankrupt. Because CCP has no clue about Eve.
Himlar caves in order to give everything what newbies demand in order to retain customers to keep World of Darkness on track.
Ship spinning, new Font, NERF of ships (CCP even has the balls to ASK US why we like the ships we do, to save them thinking and what to nerf). Even Concord is getting a buff? umm it's already effective, you go criminal, you die. Isn't that effective? lol
If you got demands, get them in now, while Himlar is BEGGING in his puddle of tears.
*LOL* |
Mocam
EVE University Ivy League
20
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Posted - 2011.10.09 12:08:00 -
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You really don't get it at all.
It is known that CCP wants to help new players to stick around in the game. There are rumors floating around about how they want to do it. CCP has made no announcements so, until such is made, nothing has been done. We've seen things on SiSi that never left that server and this is just "rumors" with nothing substantial backing it up at this time.
As for such rumors: Any "special treatment" wouldn't be just for EVE University.
It is fairly well understood that successfully keeping new subscribers in this game often depends on finding a "good fit" player corporation early on. EVE University is a "good corporation" - for SOME people. It is not a good fit for many others. It's rules are too strict, it's attitudes and limits on "expressing yourself" are deemed parochial, so on and so forth.
Exactly what CCP are looking at doing is pure speculation but there is a loose association being built between new player training corporations to try and assist each other in placing new players in the best learning environment for them. As far as I am aware it is being arranged by the training corps themselves - CCP "may" be involved in some fashion but that would be 'beyond my paygrade', as it were.
No - EVE University is not the only group out here working on helping and training new players - it is the largest and best known but far from the only one.
Hint: When CCP releases info - that's something to count on and gripe about. When a member of a corporation makes a statement - it should probably be looked at a bit closer for supporting evidence beyond "member 1,038 said..." vs manager, director or maybe even a CEO...
PS: McDarila's been around the uni a while now - a bit under HALF the time I've been here. Both of us are nothing more than senior style members so anything we say here or on our own forums boils down to our opinions on a given topic.
As for the Privateers - those WSOP rules you detest so much... They were formed more due to wars with this group than any other group the uni has fought.
WEEKS of war means hands-on classes aren't run much and that hurts the newest players - "tackling 101" - you can listen to the lecture but there's nothing like "target coming through the gate in a sec... tackle it." then "no, not the gate - the ship. Yes, those gate guns suck in a frigate. go get a new ship and..." hands on instruction.
The types of players who ask 'what is D-Scan?" and "why are bookmarks important? are the ones that McDarila tends to try and watch out for and that is why they see the Privateers as a major threat.
BC Hastings is more a "businessman" than your typical lulz-ganker. If he's destroying and looting more than it's costing, he'll keep a war going. Wars don't stop lectures but they do impact hands-on classes. That doesn't mess with senior types - it does our newest members.
As such, McDarila got to grasping at straws hoping something happens - I'm less so that way. The WSOP will be back in a week and Hastings has a few wars worth of "it ain't worth it" under his belt. I doubt he'll renew and if he does... Not for long - It is not "profitable" to do so when we have the WSOP in full force. I tend to trust his greed a bit more than his word, for some odd reason.
So - yes a knee-jerk reaction from a longer term member of the uni put a rumor out that you read as a fact. It isn't a fact and won't fit as such until/unless CCP decides it wants to to do something and announces it. Hoping for does not mean it happens - YOU may not remember a functional new toolbar on SiSi but some of us do and it went "poof". That at least many folks got to see - this? ...
Friggn wall of text.. sheesh... |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
89
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Posted - 2011.10.09 12:17:00 -
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yes absolutely retain new players, but walling off their corp is not the way to do it.
Eve is no garden of Eden.
They are already VERY protected in 1.0. Highsec empire IS very protected too, Concoord, you gank you die. and get a big penalty.
The biggest hurdle to retain new players is the skiling problem. but you don't want the solution, that is NEX skill packs and neural remaps and neural boosts
Eve takes too long to get anywhere, that is the problem of Eve compared to competitor MMO's.
They need to make it easier to train.
I have 55m SP, but it takes too bloody long.
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Spurty
V0LTA VOLTA Corp
28
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Posted - 2011.10.09 12:19:00 -
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- We have goons trying to cut off the tap to blue ice - We have pl trying to cut off T2 production - We have eve uni teaching noobs how to play using the increasing cost of multiple wardecs to insulate them from boobie pvp at the Jita 4-4 undock
Sing along with me
"one of these things is not like the other..."
Op please go get some vitamin D
---- CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off. |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
89
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Posted - 2011.10.09 12:30:00 -
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So reduce the costs of wardeccing large alliances/ corps.
Or put a CAP on it.
Market control is part of Eve, CCP can seed items if need be.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
373
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Posted - 2011.10.09 12:32:00 -
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Spurty wrote:- We have goons trying to cut off the tap to blue ice - We have pl trying to cut off T2 production - We have eve uni teaching noobs how to play using the increasing cost of multiple wardecs to insulate them from boobie pvp at the Jita 4-4 undock
Sing along with me
"one of these things is not like the other..." Agreed. One of these things is an exploit. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
89
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Posted - 2011.10.09 12:41:00 -
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wardec management is an exploit?
Avoiding wardecs by making them more expensive to do is an exploit? |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
373
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Posted - 2011.10.09 12:46:00 -
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Miilla wrote:wardec management is an exploit?
Avoiding wardecs by making them more expensive to do is an exploit? Decshields are an exploit GÇö you are not allowed to use alt corps to wardec yourself to make it more expensive for actual enemies to dec you. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
89
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Posted - 2011.10.09 12:51:00 -
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So reported it under exploits.
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Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
73
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Posted - 2011.10.09 13:28:00 -
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The whole idea of giving "training" corps special status is ridiculous to the extreme. It precludes one fact: that the members are living in highsec and are too stupid to take basic moves to protect themselves.
We're a WH corp. We, at times, take on new members because we like their attitude*. So does that make us a training corp? Can we fly around highsec in a magical cocoon if we chose to?
I was a new player once. Everyone who is part of the game was. I don't know why CCP can't get it into their heads that their ENTIRE PLAYER base are made up of people who survived, and continue to survive, the dog-eat-dog universe that is Eve.
New player retention? What about old player retention? If you break the universe as we've come to know it, we leave. Where then is your player base? You can forget about fixing nullsec or lowsec if you rig the new player experience to overly favour the highsec carebear lifestyle.
Who, honestly, watched Star Trek and wanted to be a captain of a science ship? Surely your childish dreams were to be a Klingon captain, and **** **** up, or was that just me?
* I'd like to also point out that our retention rate is 100% for keeping players in the game. Probably because they don't get bored shitless of missions and staying docked to avoid "mean PVPers." - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Karim alRashid
Aliastra Gallente Federation
25
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Posted - 2011.10.09 13:41:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote: New player retention? What about old player retention? If you break the universe as we've come to know it, we leave. Where then is your player base? You can forget about fixing nullsec or lowsec if you rig the new player experience to overly favour the highsec carebear lifestyle.
You see, there's some conflict[1] between the original vision of EVE as a harsh, unforgiving universe and the masses of casual subscribers that want to play the game in easy mode, where making ISK and obtaining resources is easy and losses have no meaning whatsoever. And this applies for 0.0 and w-space life just as it applies for highsec life.
[1] Conflict .. I hope that there's a conflict and not that the strategy of increasing player base by providing casual carebear style of play (no matter highsec or 0..0) has already won.
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Effortless Breeze
Clandestine Vector THE SPACE P0LICE
0
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Posted - 2011.10.09 13:48:00 -
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Tippia wrote: Decshields are an exploit GÇö you are not allowed to use alt corps to wardec yourself to make it more expensive for actual enemies to dec you.
Its apparently not an exploit when Ivy League does it.
They have been doing it for quite a long while. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
373
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Posted - 2011.10.09 13:50:00 -
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Effortless Breeze wrote:Its apparently not an exploit when Ivy League does it.
They have been doing it for quite a long while. GǪwhich rather leads to the conclusion that they need to be disbanded GÇö possibly with a few account suspensions sprinkled in for good measure. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Wot I Think
State War Academy Caldari State
38
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Posted - 2011.10.09 13:57:00 -
[47] - Quote
This would only be a breach of trust if it only applies to E-UNI.
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Molic Blackbird
Orion Faction Industries Orion Consortium
0
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Posted - 2011.10.09 14:02:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Decshields are an exploit GÇö you are not allowed to use alt corps to wardec yourself to make it more expensive for actual enemies to dec you.
Quote:7) Using alt corps to artificially inflate the cost of war decs Not an exploit due to cost involved and lack of other means to shield one self from constant war decs. That is, if you do apply the wars directly to the entity you want to drive up the war costs for. Declaring cheap wars on a corp that then joins up the alliance you want to GÇ£shieldGÇ¥ is considered an exploit as per the this notification (which still is the case), and you will get in trouble for doing that.
Source: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=117249#post117249 |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
373
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Posted - 2011.10.09 14:04:00 -
[49] - Quote
Ok. I still wish they would post these policies and the changes to them in a central location.
GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Korr'Tanas
EVE University Ivy League
1
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Posted - 2011.10.09 14:31:00 -
[50] - Quote
Alright folks, here are some news, directly from the source:
super sikrit uni channel wrote: n++[ 2011.10.08 21:17:03 ] Darian Reymont > See Poetic has leaked the news that we're getting wardec immunity from CCP? n++[ 2011.10.08 21:17:10 ] Kelduum Revaan > he has? n++[ 2011.10.08 21:17:13 ] Darian Reymont > Yep. n++[ 2011.10.08 21:17:27 ] Kelduum Revaan > oooh, awesome, i was wondering when CCP would get back to me n++[ 2011.10.08 21:19:26 ] Kelduum Revaan > maybe i should post saying "confirming we are all getting hisec titans, too" n++[ 2011.10.08 21:20:02 ] Korr'Tanas > and aldrat becomes perma uni sov space n++[ 2011.10.08 21:20:49 ] Kelduum Revaan > also, members can buy special concord battleships n++[ 2011.10.08 21:21:42 ] Kelduum Revaan > and CCP is doubling all SP for people in the Uni n++[ 2011.10.08 21:21:56 ] Korr'Tanas > and what about those ivy league navy super titans, we will get the BPOs for those, right? n++[ 2011.10.08 21:22:01 ] Kelduum Revaan > yep n++[ 2011.10.08 21:22:07 ] Darian Reymont > We're all getting free accounts and GM ships and can live in Jove space and everything will cost us the same amount as on Sisi and we will get everything on the NEX store for free and CCP will build us an actual university next to their offices.
There! The truth is out! Or is it? |
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Effortless Breeze
Clandestine Vector THE SPACE P0LICE
0
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Posted - 2011.10.09 14:41:00 -
[51] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Ok. I still wish they would post these policies and the changes to them in a central location. GǪstill, that still leaves the question of how long a Gǣlong whileGǥ is, since it was considered an exploit two years ago.
Their dec shield has been up in some form for most of 2011 iirc. |
Elisabetta Fordra
3
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Posted - 2011.10.09 14:44:00 -
[52] - Quote
The OP's ability to get forum retards riled up never ceases to amaze me. The kid's "proof" is McDarila, Eve University's half-******** monkey, and, somehow, he still manages to convince people he has any ******* idea what he's talking about...
Poetic, when will you stop trolling Eve University? It's incredibly hard to be kicked from E UNI, yet somehow you managed to get yourself kicked. Instead of moving on with your life and EVE career, you go on a tirade, crying all over these forums, EVE UNI's forums and your blog about the big, bad, evil Eve University. You create a sock puppet to back you up because the forum retards in that thread weren't driving it in the direction you want. You get outed, and instead of finally moving on, you still keep trolling Eve University. Don't you see how pathetic you are? |
Ruby Hotrod
X Generation
0
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Posted - 2011.10.09 14:55:00 -
[53] - Quote
Old timey poster from eve-o is a bitter vet like all the other bitter vets. Therefore this makes the discussion pointless as it is full of bitterness. |
Wot I Think
State War Academy Caldari State
39
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Posted - 2011.10.09 15:25:00 -
[54] - Quote
E-UNI deserves this as they are better than any other corporation out there, they are far more important too.
I don't care if you disagree, you are meaningless.
E-UNI FOREVER! |
USIRAREANIDIOT
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.10.09 16:36:00 -
[55] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Miilla wrote:wardec management is an exploit?
Avoiding wardecs by making them more expensive to do is an exploit? Decshields are an exploit GÇö you are not allowed to use alt corps to wardec yourself to make it more expensive for actual enemies to dec you. WRONG, WRONG, WRONG.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=117249#post117249
See post 70.
Now STFU |
Darian Reymont
EVE University Ivy League
8
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Posted - 2011.10.09 16:42:00 -
[56] - Quote
Responding will probably only feed the troll, but for the few people who are wondering I'll clear a couple of things up:
Firstly, we simply do not want special treatment. One of E-UNI's biggest strengths is that it is run by players, for players. If CCP wants to look at improving wardec mechanics for all corps, then that's fine with us, but we do not want to be able to do anything that any other corporation cannot. Singling us out would actually do us more harm than good, as we heavily depend on the good will of the many, many friends we have throughout New Eden, not only for the donations that keep us running, but also as potential recruiters for the thousands of students who pass through the University every year.
Secondly, yes we use a decshield. We started using it in May of 2011 and checked with CCP prior to doing so. I agree that CCP should share policy changes in a manner that is easier for the community to access, but this has nothing to do with E-UNI.
For the record, I'm not sure what McDarilla was referring to. Perhaps something was misunderstood, or misrepresented during the many discussions that occurred regarding wardec mechanics during our recent "NSOP" event (in which we dropped our regular wartime rule set for one month). Whatever happened, in the absence of any compelling evidence or information of any kind, there's really no reason (outside of yet another bitter attempt at smearing us) for this thread to even exist.
That said, having our own personal forum troll is like we've finally 'made it' as an alliance. It only took us seven and a half years! Director of Human Resources EVE University |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
390
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Posted - 2011.10.09 16:43:00 -
[57] - Quote
USIRAREANIDIOT wrote:WRONG, WRONG, WRONG. Here's a tip: read the thread before making a fool of yourself. Until you do, STFU yourself. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
USIRAREANIDIOT
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.10.09 16:53:00 -
[58] - Quote
Tippia wrote:USIRAREANIDIOT wrote:WRONG, WRONG, WRONG. Here's a tip: read the thread before making a fool of yourself. Until you do, STFU yourself. So where am I wrong? Number 7 is pretty clear that it is allowed. Show me different |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
19
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Posted - 2011.10.09 16:56:00 -
[59] - Quote
USIRAREANIDIOT wrote:Tippia wrote:USIRAREANIDIOT wrote:WRONG, WRONG, WRONG. Here's a tip: read the thread before making a fool of yourself. Until you do, STFU yourself. So where am I wrong? Number 7 is pretty clear that it is allowed. Show me different Read this thread numbnuts.
CCP Zulu.....Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
USIRAREANIDIOT
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.10.09 17:04:00 -
[60] - Quote
Mag's wrote:USIRAREANIDIOT wrote:Tippia wrote:USIRAREANIDIOT wrote:WRONG, WRONG, WRONG. Here's a tip: read the thread before making a fool of yourself. Until you do, STFU yourself. So where am I wrong? Number 7 is pretty clear that it is allowed. Show me different Read this thread numbnuts. Anything specific? Because that thread from a GM is very, very specific. It is allowed to use wardecs from to raise the price of wardecs against your corp.
oh wait, I'm obligated to call you a name as well, how about Lil' Pecker? |
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
19
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Posted - 2011.10.09 17:06:00 -
[61] - Quote
USIRAREANIDIOT wrote:Mag's wrote:USIRAREANIDIOT wrote: So where am I wrong? Number 7 is pretty clear that it is allowed. Show me different
Read this thread numbnuts. Anything specific? Because that thread from a GM is very, very specific. It is allowed to use wardecs from to raise the price of wardecs against your corp. oh wait, I'm obligated to call you a name as well, how about Lil' Pecker? U SIR ARE AN IDIOT
CCP Zulu.....Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
Spurty
V0LTA VOLTA Corp
28
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Posted - 2011.10.09 17:30:00 -
[62] - Quote
Quote:7) Using alt corps to artificially inflate the cost of war decs Not an exploit due to cost involved and lack of other means to shield one self from constant war decs. That is, if you do apply the wars directly to the entity you want to drive up the war costs for. Declaring cheap wars on a corp that then joins up the alliance you want to GÇ£shieldGÇ¥ is considered an exploit as per the this notification (which still is the case), and you will get in trouble for doing that.
Boldface the funny part for you
Now get your billions out and wardec them. Must be a huge financial reason for this butt hurt, else you could dec someone else
---- CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off. |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
87
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Posted - 2011.10.13 01:01:00 -
[63] - Quote
Now it all makes sense:
The War-Free University - The Massive Decshield
What God Wants, God Gets, God Help Us All |
Skunk Gracklaw
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
47
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Posted - 2011.10.13 01:22:00 -
[64] - Quote
That blog has malware embedded in it. |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
87
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Posted - 2011.10.13 01:24:00 -
[65] - Quote
Skunk Gracklaw wrote:That blog has malware embedded in it. Google embeds malware in its Blogger! Oh noes! What God Wants, God Gets, God Help Us All |
Jee'ta
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2011.10.13 01:40:00 -
[66] - Quote
It honestly sounds like a great idea. Both for new player retention and seeing high-sec noobie gankers cry a solid river of tears.
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Skunk Gracklaw
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
48
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Posted - 2011.10.13 01:46:00 -
[67] - Quote
Grats to E-Uni for finding an elegant solution to an annoying problem. |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
1
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Posted - 2011.10.13 03:43:00 -
[68] - Quote
Skunk Gracklaw wrote:Grats to E-Uni for finding an elegant solution to an annoying problem. Now if someone could just find an elegant solution to Poetic Drivel...
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
TuonelanOrja
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2011.10.13 06:04:00 -
[69] - Quote
EVE-uni is goons in high sec..why don't we start perma hulkageddon until CCP fixes this ******* game. |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
87
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Posted - 2011.10.13 06:18:00 -
[70] - Quote
TuonelanOrja wrote:EVE-uni is goons in high sec..why don't we start perma hulkageddon until CCP fixes this ******* game.
UNIGEDDON!!!!
:)
What God Wants, God Gets, God Help Us All |
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Theodoric Darkwind
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
24
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Posted - 2011.10.13 06:40:00 -
[71] - Quote
Poetic Stanziel wrote:Barakkus wrote:Um, topic doesn't exist...I call troll... I have to use a proxy to get to their forums. So I have to reconstruct the link and cannot test it. On main Uni forum page ( http://forum.eveuniversity.org), do the following: EVE Discussion NO SOP MONTH! - Sep 18th to Oct 16th McDarila's post is on page 49 of that thread. Use Ctrl-F to locate McDarila. ================================= It's no longer about being butthurt. Just notifying the community that there MAY BE some potential special favours heading E-Uni's way from CCP. E-Uni does good for the newbie-end of the game, but no player-run corporation deserves special treatment from CCP.
You should know by now that if it doesn't come directly from Kelduum that its just random unistas talking out of their ***
edit: oh and hey I dont need a proxy to read the uni forums lol, maybe if you stopped spewing BS about the uni all the time you wouldn't have been banned from their forums lol |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
87
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Posted - 2011.10.13 06:44:00 -
[72] - Quote
Theodoric Darkwind wrote:You should know by now that if it doesn't come directly from Kelduum that its just random unistas talking out of their *** And you also know that after Kelduum has had a nice discussion with CCP, he likes to drop hints to the students in Mumble. Whereas, McDarila probably didn't know exactly what he was talking about, the fuel for his comment likely came from a hint Kelduum dropped in Mumble one morning.
What God Wants, God Gets, God Help Us All |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
87
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Posted - 2011.10.13 06:50:00 -
[73] - Quote
Theodoric Darkwind wrote:edit: oh and hey I dont need a proxy to read the uni forums lol, maybe if you stopped spewing BS about the uni all the time you wouldn't have been banned from their forums lol Not so much BS. :)
I'm using the proxy for now. Too many other computers hooked into the router and doing stuff. Too lazy to release and renew my IP at the moment.
What God Wants, God Gets, God Help Us All |
Theodoric Darkwind
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
24
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Posted - 2011.10.13 06:50:00 -
[74] - Quote
Poetic Stanziel wrote:Theodoric Darkwind wrote:You should know by now that if it doesn't come directly from Kelduum that its just random unistas talking out of their *** And you also know that after Kelduum has had a nice discussion with CCP, he likes to drop hints to the students in Mumble. Whereas, McDarila probably didn't know exactly what he was talking about, the fuel for his comment likely came from a hint Kelduum dropped in Mumble one morning.
Probably sparked by the recent change to the unwritten wardec "rules" to make decshields (which the alliance still has to pay for) and alliance hopping no longer petitionable. Decshields haven't been petitionable in some time anyway once "mutual" wars were changed so that they dont effect the cost of a wardec.
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Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
87
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Posted - 2011.10.13 06:57:00 -
[75] - Quote
Theodoric Darkwind wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:Theodoric Darkwind wrote:You should know by now that if it doesn't come directly from Kelduum that its just random unistas talking out of their *** And you also know that after Kelduum has had a nice discussion with CCP, he likes to drop hints to the students in Mumble. Whereas, McDarila probably didn't know exactly what he was talking about, the fuel for his comment likely came from a hint Kelduum dropped in Mumble one morning. Probably sparked by the recent change to the unwritten wardec "rules" to make decshields (which the alliance still has to pay for) and alliance hopping no longer petitionable. McDarila's comment came well before the CCP official forum announcement of the wardec policy change. I think I was correct in the assumption that something was up and that Kelduum gave away some vague hint to his Mumble fanbase.
This policy change plays into exactly what E-Uni needed to avoid 99% of all wardecs. Only the mega-rich and truly pissed off are going to pay 1B ISK to dec the Uni for a week.
What God Wants, God Gets, God Help Us All |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
268
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Posted - 2011.10.13 07:15:00 -
[76] - Quote
Poetic, topic is done, dusted and varnished.
Why don't you just start an alt, apply to E-Uni and start again. All the access to forums and intel ya need.
Then you can kill 'em all..... One by one - at ZERO cost...
(Man I am so gonna start a blog and keep linking it here to get the count up.......)
Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
87
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Posted - 2011.10.13 07:24:00 -
[77] - Quote
The Apostle wrote:Poetic, topic is done, dusted and varnished.
You have the Goons. I have E-Uni.
:P
The War-Free University-á- http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.com/2011/10/war-free-university.html |
Wacktopia
Sicarius. Legion of The Damned.
5
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Posted - 2011.10.13 08:58:00 -
[78] - Quote
If the decshield just means manipulating in-game mechanics then I see no issue with it. If it means that EVE-uni become an NPC corp then this is a terrible idea.
Edit: Read post more lol |
Masamune Dekoro
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2011.10.13 09:36:00 -
[79] - Quote
Poetic Stanziel wrote:The Apostle wrote:Poetic, topic is done, dusted and varnished. You have the Goons. I have E-Uni. :P
Believe me, we noticed... |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
5
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Posted - 2011.10.13 13:18:00 -
[80] - Quote
Poetic Stanziel wrote:The Apostle wrote:Poetic, topic is done, dusted and varnished. You have the Goons. I have E-Uni. :P You sound like Theo Samaritan . So... What, exactly do you want from the Uni?
Didn't you get kicked because you couldn't follow the rules? Why should they change how they do things (that have been working for 7.5 years) for you?
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
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CC Moss
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.10.13 21:49:00 -
[81] - Quote
Poetic Stanziel wrote: Such as Irdalth. I like to think of him as a random Unista. That dude wears his Director title like it's the best thing he's accomplished in life. (It might be, since he's kinda in-between nationalities at the moment.)
Back when you were merely rude and objectionable, I didn't think your comments reflected much on your personality. Hey, it's a game where people are rude to one another.
But mate, this seriously lacks class.
You wrote a post a while back where you said you held yourself to higher standards. That was IMHO a similar unjustified attack, but you made an argument - that's just nasty. What purpose does that serve?
-CC. |
Skunk Gracklaw
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
60
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Posted - 2011.10.13 22:06:00 -
[82] - Quote
Anybody who sets up a blog and makes dozens of posts about a corp they were kicked out of can't claim they are holding themselves to a higher standard. |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
273
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Posted - 2011.10.13 22:09:00 -
[83] - Quote
Poetic Stanziel wrote:The Apostle wrote:Poetic, topic is done, dusted and varnished. You have the Goons. I have E-Uni. :P And a nice little alt is being trained for Gxxns as we speak Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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Poetic Stanzitroll
BLOG University
0
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Posted - 2011.10.14 00:01:00 -
[84] - Quote
CC Moss wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote: Such as Irdalth. I like to think of him as a random Unista. That dude wears his Director title like it's the best thing he's accomplished in life. (It might be, since he's kinda in-between nationalities at the moment.)
Back when you were merely rude and objectionable, I didn't think your comments reflected much on your personality. Hey, it's a game where people are rude to one another. But mate, this seriously lacks class. You wrote a post a while back where you said you held yourself to higher standards. That was IMHO a similar unjustified attack, but you made an argument - that's just nasty. What purpose does that serve? -CC.
On behalf of Stanzi-kind everywhere, I would like to apologize for ignorant personal attacks made against Unistas in the past and the present. But the salient point of this thread still exists, and the debate should continue! -Check out my blog, it's the best! |
Skunk Gracklaw
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
67
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Posted - 2011.10.14 00:06:00 -
[85] - Quote
The Apostle wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:The Apostle wrote:Poetic, topic is done, dusted and varnished. You have the Goons. I have E-Uni. :P And a nice little alt is being trained for Gxxns as we speak But you are already a Riverini alt. How many badposting alts do you need? |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
148
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Posted - 2011.10.14 00:10:00 -
[86] - Quote
We are also getting CQ pets!
True storeey! Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand. |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
87
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Posted - 2011.10.14 00:29:00 -
[87] - Quote
Poetic Stanzitroll wrote:On behalf of Stanzi-kind everywhere, I would like to apologize for ignorant personal attacks made against Unistas in the past and the present. But the salient point of this thread still exists, and the debate should continue! You are correct. I should not have engaged in the ad hominem attack, no matter what I think personally of Irdalth (having had to listen to his personal and entitled "oh whoa is me" whining and witnessing his coding incompetence) since my first days in the Uni. Ug. I did it again. Ad hominem attack.
Back to the wardec policy changes and how they benefit the University.
The War-Free University-á- http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.com/2011/10/war-free-university.html |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
273
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Posted - 2011.10.14 00:29:00 -
[88] - Quote
Skunk Gracklaw wrote:The Apostle wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:The Apostle wrote:Poetic, topic is done, dusted and varnished. You have the Goons. I have E-Uni. :P And a nice little alt is being trained for Gxxns as we speak But you are already a Riverini alt. How many badposting alts do you need? Wouldn't matter if I was anyway. G^^ns have enough PL alts there already. 1 more can't possibly hurt.
Besides, I'm actually quite keen to hear your pubescent voice on comms tbh. Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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Poetic Stanzitroll
BLOG University
1
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Posted - 2011.10.14 00:52:00 -
[89] - Quote
Poetic Stanziel wrote:Poetic Stanzitroll wrote:On behalf of Stanzi-kind everywhere, I would like to apologize for ignorant personal attacks made against Unistas in the past and the present. But the salient point of this thread still exists, and the debate should continue! You are correct. I should not have engaged in the ad hominem attack, no matter what I think personally of Irdalth (having had to listen to his personal and entitled "oh whoa is me" whining and witnessing his coding incompetence) since my first days in the Uni. Ug. I did it again. Ad hominem attack. Back to the wardec policy changes and how they benefit the University.
ERROR: Stack Overflow!
Don't forget about the super rifter mode changes our favorite CEO snuck under the radar. Word has it CCP is going to let a fleet of 100 low sp pilots in rifters combine into some sort of super leviathin which acts as a high sec doomsday cap ship! The people need to know how CCP is just giving NPC Uni a high-sec game breaker!!!!! -Check out my blog, it's the best! |
Skunk Gracklaw
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
79
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Posted - 2011.10.14 01:09:00 -
[90] - Quote
The Apostle wrote: Wouldn't matter if I was anyway. G^^ns have enough PL alts there already. 1 more can't possibly hurt.
Besides, I'm actually quite keen to hear your pubescent voice on comms tbh.
It's not my voice you need to worry about. Wait until you meet DBRB.
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Ogi Talvanen
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
6
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Posted - 2011.10.15 15:54:00 -
[91] - Quote
Lovelocke wrote:It is literally epic out here, why don't you lose your stiffy for the uni and come join us?
Dont listen to lovelocke! Please dont join us and continue stalking Eve Uni. |
Mehrdad Kor-Azor
Iure Divino
48
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Posted - 2011.10.15 16:52:00 -
[92] - Quote
Just put this on your blog and be done with it. |
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