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RubyPorto
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Posted - 2013.01.08 20:18:00 -
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I vote Orbital Bombardmant Leviathan.
At least it'll be useful for one thing other than Bridging. 'Course, I'm not sure how much fun it'll be for the DUST Bunnies to suddenly be playing on a flat sheet of glass.
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RubyPorto
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Posted - 2013.01.08 20:31:00 -
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So can Artillery shells.
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RubyPorto
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Posted - 2013.01.08 23:27:00 -
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My biggest question is whether we can Orbital bombard a fight without a dust bunny calling for it. Just get a popup with a map and fire at random.
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RubyPorto
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Posted - 2013.01.08 23:45:00 -
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oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:RubyPorto wrote:My biggest question is whether we can Orbital bombard a fight without a dust bunny calling for it. Just get a popup with a map and fire at random. You want to gank consolekids ,you know that does not end well .
From what I understand they're free to shoot back, and can shoot back effectively with Anti-Spaceship guns. I just want to be able to butt into someone else's fight. Just like what happens every day in EVE.
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Posted - 2013.01.09 02:16:00 -
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Jamyl Khanid wrote:Missile Bombardment mechanics are already in game.
Moon probing could act as the template.
Shot the Missile and wait for a mail 5 or 10 minutes later saying you missed the target but took out an orphanage in a near by town.
Moon Probing should never act as the template for anything.
Well, it might be a good template for a torture device, but I think War Crimes are against the EULA.
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RubyPorto
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Posted - 2013.01.09 16:22:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:People expecting to be able to just rock up to a planet, shoot a few rounds at it to sterilise a game being played by 30 or 60 DUST players with no way to anticipate or retaliate, and then trololol away into the sunset are going to be tragically disappointed.
From what I understand, the Dust bunnies do get stuff to shoot back at the ships bombarding them. And I'm guessing that there's a warmup timer.
So I don't think anyone's asking for what you seem to think we're asking for. We just want the ability to join the fun uninvited.
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Posted - 2013.01.09 17:19:00 -
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Eli Green wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Malcanis wrote:People expecting to be able to just rock up to a planet, shoot a few rounds at it to sterilise a game being played by 30 or 60 DUST players with no way to anticipate or retaliate, and then trololol away into the sunset are going to be tragically disappointed. From what I understand, the Dust bunnies do get stuff to shoot back at the ships bombarding them. And I'm guessing that there's a warmup timer. So I don't think anyone's asking for what you seem to think we're asking for. We just want the ability to join the fun uninvited. Ain't happening dude. Malcanis is spot-on
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RubyPorto
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Posted - 2013.01.09 20:41:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:RubyPorto wrote:DUST 514: The Arrival of Instances to the EVE Universe. I rather look on it as it's hard to pin point a target on the ground without coordinates, so there isn't really any point to spraying shots at an entire planet hoping to hit someone.
You're saying that we can move faster than the speed of light, lock onto beacons light years distant, have homing missiles able to hit ships that are randomly dodging at several kilometers per second, but we can't hit a football field on the surface of a planet from orbit?
By the end of the Apollo missions, the splashdowns were generally within a kilometer of their target, and that's for something intentionally taking more time in the atmosphere (time=deviation) than would be necessary for a shell because of the whole not wanting to kill the astronauts thing.
And you're saying that we can't lock onto a Football field and fire straight down at it from orbit? With Gravity helping us?
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Posted - 2013.01.09 20:42:00 -
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Ginger Barbarella wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Malcanis wrote:People expecting to be able to just rock up to a planet, shoot a few rounds at it to sterilise a game being played by 30 or 60 DUST players with no way to anticipate or retaliate, and then trololol away into the sunset are going to be tragically disappointed. From what I understand, the Dust bunnies do get stuff to shoot back at the ships bombarding them. And I'm guessing that there's a warmup timer. So I don't think anyone's asking for what you seem to think we're asking for. We just want the ability to join the fun uninvited. And anything in a BRAND NEW GAME that does more than skuff up the paint job on those ships in low that will be shooting at them will be a sign of a STUNNINGLY IMBALANCED game co-existence. You think people ragequit (failquit) over the non-sense from last summer, just wait until a dread is killed by some 2-week old DUSTbunny sitting in-atmosphere on a temperate planet. 
I'd be quite happy to see the Dust Bunnies kill a dread that was near a planet they were fighting on.
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Posted - 2013.01.09 21:28:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:RubyPorto wrote:DUST 514: The Arrival of Instances to the EVE Universe. I rather look on it as it's hard to pin point a target on the ground without coordinates, so there isn't really any point to spraying shots at an entire planet hoping to hit someone. You're saying that we can move faster than the speed of light, lock onto beacons light years distant, have homing missiles able to hit ships that are randomly dodging at several kilometers per second, but we can't hit a football field on the surface of a planet from orbit? By the end of the Apollo missions, the splashdowns were generally within a kilometer of their target, and that's for something intentionally taking more time in the atmosphere (time=deviation) than would be necessary for a shell because of the whole not wanting to kill the astronauts thing. And you're saying that we can't lock onto a Football field and fire straight down at it from orbit? With Gravity helping us? You aren't trying to hit a football field, your target is considerably smaller than that and is often within spitting distance of friendly forces. More to the point, game play issue trump real life. You know this.
Who said I care which side I hit?
I'm not asking to be able to see where the Dusties are on the Map. I'm not asking to be able to see exactly where I'm going to hit on the map. Accurate fire is what a Dust bunny with a Target painter (or whatever) is for.
I'm asking to be able to throw darts at the dartboard that happens to be directly beneath me. (And have the dartboard fire some nice big darts right back at me.)
I'm asking to be able to intrude on someone else's fight. The exact same way I can in any other Lowsec fight in EVE (some of my favorite fights were ones where a third party intruded).
Not allowing third parties to intrude would be the first instance of instancing added to the EVE Universe. That's the gameplay issue.
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Posted - 2013.01.10 03:45:00 -
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Octoven wrote:If you wanted to balance the drive by effect of having players fly up, bombard, and skip merrily into the sunset without dust bunnies having a chance to defend themselves, you could always apply a timer drawback to the bombardment ammo so that if fired your ship is unable to warp for say 2 minutes? I don't know its an idea. I mean if you commit to nosing your way into a fight, it stands to reason your ship cant leave orbit for set amount of time to allow them a chance to retaliate.
I would assume that's already in place with targeted bombardment.
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Posted - 2013.01.10 15:22:00 -
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Abu Tarynnia wrote:RubyPorto wrote:
I'm asking to be able to throw darts at the dartboard that happens to be directly beneath me. (And have the dartboard fire some nice big darts right back at me.)
But you are throwing the dart over a distance of some 300km, with winds blowing all the way, with thermic problems due to friction, and last but not least with the dartboard below you just spinning out .. since the world is turning ... wtf .. just google 'Coriolis'.
Ballistic Missiles are accurate to the meter or so, and those go through that turbulent atmosphere twice.
The Apollo missions reentry was aimed from orbit around the Moon, and generally got within a kilometer (and they hung around in that turbulent atmosphere for a heck of a lot longer than an artillery shell would need to).
You're literally saying that hitting the ground at the bottom of the gravity well you are in is difficult.
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Posted - 2013.01.10 15:28:00 -
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Eli Green wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Abu Tarynnia wrote:RubyPorto wrote:
I'm asking to be able to throw darts at the dartboard that happens to be directly beneath me. (And have the dartboard fire some nice big darts right back at me.)
But you are throwing the dart over a distance of some 300km, with winds blowing all the way, with thermic problems due to friction, and last but not least with the dartboard below you just spinning out .. since the world is turning ... wtf .. just google 'Coriolis'. Ballistic Missiles are accurate to the meter or so, and those go through that turbulent atmosphere twice. The Apollo missions reentry was aimed from orbit around the Moon, and generally got within a kilometer (and they hung around in that turbulent atmosphere for a heck of a lot longer than an artillery shell would need to). You're literally saying that hitting the ground at the bottom of the gravity well you are in is difficult. EVE != Real life
They're coming up with "real life" reasons you shouldn't be able to shoot the ground beneath your feet and hit. I'm pointing out that those arguments are flawed.
I've already made my game design argument: Nothing Else in EVE is instanced. DUST should not be either. So you should be free to fire at a DUST map without an invitation. They should be free to fire back effectively if they prepared for that possibility.
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Posted - 2013.01.11 04:39:00 -
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CCP Nullarbor wrote:As for indiscriminate carpet bombing of planets, well not without the dust guys having the opportunity to defend themselves.
Nobody's asking for the ability to shoot someone who's game mechanically barred from shooting back (though, from my understanding, that's what Orbital bombardment is). We just want you to hurry up and give prepared Dusties the ability to shoot back really effectively and give us the ability to take potshots at battles in progress (with big guns aka make the Leviathan useful again).
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Posted - 2013.01.12 09:17:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Nobody's asking for the ability to shoot someone who's game mechanically barred from shooting back (though, from my understanding, that's what Orbital bombardment is). We just want you to hurry up and give prepared Dusties the ability to shoot back really effectively and give us the ability to take potshots at battles in progress (with big guns aka make the Leviathan useful again). Missiles aren't used for bombardment, you yourself say guns. Maybe the ragnarok?
Make the Leviathon a Railboat like the Naga, and we're all set.
(Semi-Real Suggestion: The Levi needs some love, after all. It can't even do full damage to a Customs Office. Shooting missiles at the ground could be that love.)
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