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cheese monkey Peniz inc... 100	Posted - 2013.01.09 00:21:00 - [1] - Quote Does anyone know if CCP are planning a change on attributes? We all know that it is best to remap to max out a single attribute depending on what you want to train for... navigation + spaceship command + gunnery + missiles = perception science + PI + indy + engi + elec = intel leadership + social = charisma trade = willpower drones = memory ... does his sound a little unbalanced to anyone else? Isn't drones a weapon? Isn't trade closer to social??
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 1429	Posted - 2013.01.09 00:28:00 - [2] - Quote Is this another I WANT A FREE REMAP thread? Pretty sure this is a I WANT A FREE REMAP thread. If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it must WANT A FREE REMAP. *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?*
Ginger Barbarella Caldari Provisions Caldari State 1087	Posted - 2013.01.09 00:39:00 - [3] - Quote cheese monkey wrote: Does anyone know if CCP are planning a change on attributes? We all know that it is best to remap to max out a single attribute depending on what you want to train for... navigation + spaceship command + gunnery + missiles = perception science + PI + indy + engi + elec = intel leadership + social = charisma trade = willpower drones = memory ... does his sound a little unbalanced to anyone else? Isn't drones a weapon? Isn't trade closer to social?? Sounds perfectly fine to me. But then, you're not asking the question you want to ask, and not telling us the whole story. "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." -á --- Sorlac
Jacob Rider Rifterlings Damu'Khonde 18	Posted - 2013.01.09 01:37:00 - [4] - Quote Drones do more than just shoot the enemy. And Trade is an exercise of Willpower so you don't get sucked into a 0.01 ISK price war. So, no, they shouldn't change any attributes.
Xercodo Xovoni Directorate 2074	Posted - 2013.01.09 01:46:00 - [5] - Quote Way to completely ignore the secondaries. The Drake is a Lie
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3198	Posted - 2013.01.09 01:49:00 - [6] - Quote Jacob Rider wrote: And Trade is an exercise of Willpower so you don't get sucked into a 0.01 ISK price war.. Many people failed their WILL checks. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm
cheese monkey Peniz inc... 101	Posted - 2013.01.09 07:43:00 - [7] - Quote So general discussion is now a Goonz troll forum?? No I don't want another remap. After a remap (putting everything into 1 catagory as everyone does so they can train the fastest) secondaries get about 2 points, so yes, essentially they are sort of redundant. There are so many ways CCP could fix this. 1) remove secondaries altogether and change remap to 9 months. 2)reduce the attributes to only 3 instead of 5 those are only 2 quick ideas, but surely i can get a sensible reply not just some trolling ?
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 2083	Posted - 2013.01.09 07:50:00 - [8] - Quote I'm pretty okay with the way it is now. We get skills as a reward for not playing, FFS. How can it get any better than that? Actually....it can. They can give you a PO2 offer every six months. Which is just enough time to build a focused T3 pilot for sale with under an hour of actual time logged in. Mr Epeen -ávOv
cheese monkey Peniz inc... 101	Posted - 2013.01.09 07:53:00 - [9] - Quote Mr Epeen wrote: I'm pretty okay with the way it is now. We get skills as a reward for not playing, FFS. How can it get any better than that? Actually....it can. They can give you a PO2 offer every six months. Which is just enough time to build a focused T3 pilot for sale with under an hour of actual time logged in. Mr Epeen No i'm not saying change HOW we train, just make it more efficient. (not necessarily faster)
Super spikinator Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 28	Posted - 2013.01.09 08:13:00 - [10] - Quote cheese monkey wrote: Does anyone know if CCP are planning a change on attributes? We all know that it is best to remap to max out a single attribute depending on what you want to train for... navigation + spaceship command + gunnery + missiles = perception science + PI + indy + engi + elec = intel leadership + social = charisma trade = willpower drones = memory ... does his sound a little unbalanced to anyone else? Isn't drones a weapon? Isn't trade closer to social?? You don't have those primary categories right though.... Poor Corporation management. It never gets invited to the cool lists.

James Amril-Kesh RAZOR Alliance 3143	Posted - 2013.01.09 08:15:00 - [11] - Quote Mr Epeen wrote: I'm pretty okay with the way it is now. We get skills as a reward for not playing, FFS. How can it get any better than that? Actually....it can. They can give you a PO2 offer every six months. Which is just enough time to build a focused T3 pilot for sale with under an hour of actual time logged in. Mr Epeen Do you actually break even doing that, though? Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm
dexington Caldari Provisions Caldari State 524	Posted - 2013.01.09 09:09:00 - [12] - Quote Super spikinator wrote: Poor Corporation management. It never gets invited to the cool lists. Recent studies have shown that the main reason for training corporation management, is doomed route: corp > alliance > sovereignty > fail cascade. The massive amount of failures following the training of corporation management, has forever removed corporation management skill group from the cool list. GÇ£The best way to keep something bad from happening is to see it ahead of time, and you can't see it if you refuse to face the possibility.GÇ¥
Doctor Ungabungas GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 228	Posted - 2013.01.09 11:26:00 - [13] - Quote cheese monkey wrote: So general discussion is now a Goonz troll forum?? No I don't want another remap. After a remap (putting everything into 1 catagory as everyone does so they can train the fastest) secondaries get about 2 points, so yes, essentially they are sort of redundant. There are so many ways CCP could fix this. 1) remove secondaries altogether and change remap to 9 months. 2)reduce the attributes to only 3 instead of 5 those are only 2 quick ideas, but surely i can get a sensible reply not just some trolling ? Counterpoint: Figure out your skill plan more than 3 or 4 days ahead and realise that if you want to train a few willpower skills, some memory skills and a perception skill you're going to need to figure out the right balance of stats to optimise the total time taken across all of them. (And secondary stats is important for this.) If you want a system where you train missiles, and then remap to train drones and then remap to train gunnery: no that is dumb.
Barrogh Habalu Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 369	Posted - 2013.01.09 11:46:00 - [14] - Quote You know, what you are suggesting probably doesn't make people's skillplans longer, therefore CCP won't be interested in it. It's partially the reason we have skill system as it is now - you can't train everything you need with focused remap from the get-go (and later aswell for that matter). And waiting for just another skill to be trained in order to try that cool stuff is a factor that make people extend their sub and making them hestitant to completely unsub even if they aren't going to actively play for a while. Go figure...
Ge Hucel-Ge University of Caille Gallente Federation 4	Posted - 2013.01.09 11:56:00 - [15] - Quote remaps for isk would be a nice isk sink to the game
James Amril-Kesh RAZOR Alliance 3150	Posted - 2013.01.09 11:57:00 - [16] - Quote Ge Hucel-Ge wrote: remaps for isk would be a nice isk sink to the game And it would also be horribly broken. Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 12576	Posted - 2013.01.09 12:01:00 - [17] - Quote cheese monkey wrote: No I don't want another remap. After a remap (putting everything into 1 catagory as everyone does so they can train the fastest) secondaries get about 2 points, so yes, essentially they are sort of redundant. No, after a remap, the secondary gets exactly 4 points, meaning 2 SP more per minute for that skill and 4 SP more per minute for the flipped-attribute skills (a fun quirk which makes removing them a silly notion). This does not make them redundant GÇö it just makes them secondary. Quote: There are so many ways CCP could fix this. 1) remove secondaries altogether and change remap to 9 months. 2)reduce the attributes to only 3 instead of 5 those are only 2 quick ideas, but surely i can get a sensible reply not just some trolling ? 3) Do nothing because there's not really anything to fix. I suppose they could add more skills to some of the lesser-used combos, but that's about it. What you're asking for is a reduction of decisions and consequences. That rather goes against the fibre of the game. Yes, if you pick poorly, you train less efficiently. That's the whole point: so you consider your choices properly and don't do anything rash. Removing secondaries is a stupid idea because it makes for fewer combinations and fewer choices, and it removes the ability to combine A+B and B+A skills as an efficient mix. Reducing remap time is a stupid idea because it lessens the impact of your choices. Reducing the number of attributes is a stupid idea for much the same reason as removing secondaries. Your main problem with your proposals is that there is no problem for your proposed solutions to solve. Ge Hucel-Ge wrote: remaps for isk would be a nice isk sink to the game Allowing players to pay to bypass core game mechanics is a horrible idea. If we get that, can I also get the ability to pay ISK to bypass the damage mechanic, please? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
Ge Hucel-Ge University of Caille Gallente Federation 4	Posted - 2013.01.09 12:24:00 - [18] - Quote Tippia wrote: Ge Hucel-Ge wrote: remaps for isk would be a nice isk sink to the game Allowing players to pay to bypass core game mechanics is a horrible idea. If we get that, can I also get the ability to pay ISK to bypass the damage mechanic, please? a game mechanic that sucks - especially for low sp chars or new players without a clue.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 12576	Posted - 2013.01.09 12:28:00 - [19] - Quote Ge Hucel-Ge wrote: a game mechanic that sucks - especially for low sp chars or new players without a clue. Humour. Attributes are a game mechanic that does not in any way differentiation between high and low SP and which is no harder for new players to learn than any other in the game. How does it suck? Is it because you have to make choices? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 6886	Posted - 2013.01.09 13:05:00 - [20] - Quote Ge Hucel-Ge wrote: remaps for isk would be a nice isk sink to the game Being able to pay to delete your characters would be a good isk sink to the game. MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button."

Mr Epeen It's All About Me 2083	Posted - 2013.01.09 16:40:00 - [21] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: Mr Epeen wrote: I'm pretty okay with the way it is now. We get skills as a reward for not playing, FFS. How can it get any better than that? Actually....it can. They can give you a PO2 offer every six months. Which is just enough time to build a focused T3 pilot for sale with under an hour of actual time logged in. Mr Epeen Do you actually break even doing that, though? In terms of PLEX, you spend five and make twelve to fourteen. A little better than break even, I'd say. I can't think of many other activities in the game that pay six billion ISK per hour of game time logged in. Mr Epeen -ávOv
Randolph Rothstein whatever corp. 310	Posted - 2013.01.09 16:44:00 - [22] - Quote i want free remap and im not afraid to say it
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 1126	Posted - 2013.01.09 16:55:00 - [23] - Quote Xercodo wrote: Way to completely ignore the secondaries. I too ignore the secondaries, till the primary explodes than i shoot the secondary, which is now primary
James Amril-Kesh RAZOR Alliance 3152	Posted - 2013.01.09 20:33:00 - [24] - Quote Mr Epeen wrote: James Amril-Kesh wrote: Mr Epeen wrote: I'm pretty okay with the way it is now. We get skills as a reward for not playing, FFS. How can it get any better than that? Actually....it can. They can give you a PO2 offer every six months. Which is just enough time to build a focused T3 pilot for sale with under an hour of actual time logged in. Mr Epeen Do you actually break even doing that, though? In terms of PLEX, you spend five and make twelve to fourteen. A little better than break even, I'd say. I can't think of many other activities in the game that pay six billion ISK per hour of game time logged in. Mr Epeen Interesting. I might have to try that then. Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm
Sergeant Acht Scultz School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 448	Posted - 2013.01.09 20:46:00 - [25] - Quote Randolph Rothstein wrote: i want free remap and im not afraid to say it I want skill points for plex instead of another toons bazaar alt for plex, I'm not even afraid to say it !!
Aren Madigan EVE University Ivy League 8	Posted - 2013.01.09 22:32:00 - [26] - Quote The only things I think needs to be done with skills and attributes is a good detailed tutorial on them for new players and a sort by attribute function on the skill list.
cheese monkey Peniz inc... 102	Posted - 2013.02.02 18:20:00 - [27] - Quote Still this issue deserves addressing.
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet 4422	Posted - 2013.02.02 18:33:00 - [28] - Quote cheese monkey wrote: Still this issue deserves addressing. I read the OP, but I don't see any real isues. At best some areas could use new skills to beef their numbers, but that's not much of an issue.
Jon Batiste mining-N-mayhem 0	Posted - 2013.02.02 18:46:00 - [29] - Quote I really don't see an issue here. As in almost everything in EVE you have to work for it. Same goes for skill training. I want it to be somewhat tough. That way I have a greater sense of accomplishment. Sure there are probably more efficient ways to do it but that would equate to making it faster and easier. This game was already dumbed down enough, but that is just my opinion.
Sorlac Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 38	Posted - 2013.02.02 18:59:00 - [30] - Quote Am I the only person that had just balanced out my attributes, and then all but forgot they existed; especially since I'm never sure exactly which direction I might decide to train from month to month?



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