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Phelan Lore
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Posted - 2005.06.19 02:10:00 -
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I've seen a lot of ships that look like tech 2 versions of currently available ships flown by NPCs and lots of Jove ships that are unavailable to players. Has there been any word from the devs on making these available in some form in the future?
I'm particularly fond of the Jove styx ship and something that looked like a tech 2 griffen I saw in a mission.
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Linavin
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Posted - 2005.06.19 02:16:00 -
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The "Tech 2 looking" ships are just faction ships, basically new paintjobs, not tech II
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JoeSomebody
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Posted - 2005.06.19 03:09:00 -
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making more of them is not enough - right now faction ships are useless, because they are way too rare, and because of that way too expencive to fly into combat. They are collector's toys, and this is what I think is wrong.
By the time I get enough LP or ISK to get myself faction frig I dont even need it anymore - I fly BS, and if I want to go fast, i'll jump into ceptor or AF. There is absolutely no reason ever to fly faction ship into combat, its just an insane waste of money for very little return.
Faction frigs should be accessable for those new players who fly frigs, faction cruisers - for cruiser pilots and faction battleships... well lets just say they should be seen more in at least in empire.
It is not the stats, but avability and price that make faction ships next to useless.
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Liu Kaskakka
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Posted - 2005.06.19 06:12:00 -
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 Originally by: JoeSomebody
Faction frigs should be accessable for those new players who fly frigs, faction cruisers - for cruiser pilots and faction battleships... well lets just say they should be seen more in at least in empire.
Nope, sorry.
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Sobeseki Pawi
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Posted - 2005.06.19 07:01:00 -
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Originally by: Liu Kaskakka
Originally by: JoeSomebody
Faction frigs should be accessable for those new players who fly frigs, faction cruisers - for cruiser pilots and faction battleships... well lets just say they should be seen more in at least in empire.
Nope, sorry.
Buy a Firetail did you?
~Sobe |
Xiliath
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Posted - 2005.06.19 09:14:00 -
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Well in an interview with one of the devs. I think it was at mmorpg.com, they devs said they're going to be increasing tension between the factions, and make it so you can choose your side, i.e those npc factions, and join them.... I imagine by joining them you'll be able to have or build there ships. But we'll just have to wait and see.
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sokken
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Posted - 2005.06.19 11:46:00 -
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Originally by: Sobeseki Pawi
Originally by: Liu Kaskakka
Originally by: JoeSomebody
Faction frigs should be accessable for those new players who fly frigs, faction cruisers - for cruiser pilots and faction battleships... well lets just say they should be seen more in at least in empire.
Nope, sorry.
Buy a Firetail did you?
Dont have monies for one, do you?
Sorry, but faction ships are supposed to be rare, thats the point. If everyone had one, why bother with them.. 
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JoeSomebody
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Posted - 2005.06.19 13:49:00 -
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I do. I have money for a bunch of firetails, but Im not going to buy a ship just to look at it in my hangar and never even assemble it.
Im sorry but this isnt supposed to be a fetish game. Ships are made to fly them, not to store as collectibles.
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Khonsu
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Posted - 2005.06.19 14:34:00 -
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Who are you to tell what the game is 'supposed' to be? If people want to collect them.. be my guest 
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sokken
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Posted - 2005.06.19 16:56:00 -
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Originally by: JoeSomebody
I do. I have money for a bunch of firetails, but Im not going to buy a ship just to look at it in my hangar and never even assemble it.
Well, assemble it, undock and take it for a spin. Show it off.
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Im sorry but this isnt supposed to be a fetish game. Ships are made to fly them, not to store as collectibles.
It isnt a fetish game, however you have the OPTION of having a ingame fetish  Faction ships provides for the collectors, tech II for PVPers.
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JoeSomebody
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Posted - 2005.06.19 17:42:00 -
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Originally by: Khonsu
Who are you to tell what the game is 'supposed' to be?
I can ask you the same question, dont you think so?
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JoeSomebody
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Posted - 2005.06.19 17:47:00 -
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Originally by: sokken
Originally by: JoeSomebody
I do. I have money for a bunch of firetails, but Im not going to buy a ship just to look at it in my hangar and never even assemble it.
Well, assemble it, undock and take it for a spin. Show it off.
Dont you get? I dont need it! I dont need ship which I would afraid to lose, which sucks compare to t2 ships I can fly. It is not about me, it is about newbs who would use it if it had reasonable price.
Originally by: sokken
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Im sorry but this isnt supposed to be a fetish game. Ships are made to fly them, not to store as collectibles.
It isnt a fetish game, however you have the OPTION of having a ingame fetish Faction ships provides for the collectors, tech II for PVPers.
Look for "EVE Store" on the left bar if you want fetish. Leave game for players, who use ships to fight.
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When flying by Concord Customs Commander's Dominix I distinctly heard him saying "... world domination..." |
Azrael Maxim
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Posted - 2005.06.19 18:43:00 -
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I think it would be great if faction ships would be available for prices comparable to their tech II counterparts.
Between 15 to 20 mill for faction frigs would be nice.
Then at least they would be an option for people to fly them into combat.
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sokken
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Posted - 2005.06.19 18:50:00 -
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Originally by: JoeSomebody
Dont you get? I dont need it! I dont need ship which I would afraid to lose, which sucks compare to t2 ships I can fly. It is not about me, it is about newbs who would use it if it had reasonable price.
Each race already has, what, 5 frigs not counting tech II. There is no need to make faction ships into a common combat ship. How about giving that newb the option of working towards a special ship that gives him a sense of accomplishment when he finay get it. But the faction ships arent powerfull, so there is no requirement to have one to compete.
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Look for "EVE Store" on the left bar if you want fetish. Leave game for players, who use ships to fight.
Aha, there we have it; if you dont use your ship in combat youre not allowed to play the game, becasue thats how YOU want to play the game. Grow the **** up.
Im done with you.
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JoeSomebody
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Posted - 2005.06.19 19:23:00 -
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Originally by: sokken
How about giving that newb the option of working towards a special ship that gives him a sense of accomplishment when he finay get it.
how is that different from what i said?
Originally by: sokken
Aha, there we have it; if you dont use your ship in combat youre not allowed to play the game, becasue thats how YOU want to play the game. Grow the **** up.
Im done with you.
that just made no sense... you grabbed random word from my post and deliberately attached false conclusion to it.
I smell a troll here.
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Sobeseki Pawi
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Posted - 2005.06.19 20:08:00 -
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Originally by: sokken
Originally by: Sobeseki Pawi
Originally by: Liu Kaskakka
Originally by: JoeSomebody
Faction frigs should be accessable for those new players who fly frigs, faction cruisers - for cruiser pilots and faction battleships... well lets just say they should be seen more in at least in empire.
Nope, sorry.
Buy a Firetail did you?
Dont have monies for one, do you?
As a matter of fact I do, but thanks for asking.
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ELECTR0FREAK
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Posted - 2005.06.20 02:16:00 -
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Sorry Sobe, but I call your bluff.
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Pesht
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Posted - 2005.06.20 02:26:00 -
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Originally by: ELECTR0FREAK
Sorry Sobe, but I call your bluff.
Actually Electr0freak, Sobe does have the money for it now, since he jacked all the money from his old corp and ran off with it.
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ELECTR0FREAK
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Posted - 2005.06.20 03:25:00 -
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Yeah, those small ammo BPOs really burn a hole in your wallet.
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Aitrus
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Posted - 2005.06.20 03:27:00 -
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Originally by: JoeSomebody
Originally by: sokken
Originally by: JoeSomebody
I do. I have money for a bunch of firetails, but Im not going to buy a ship just to look at it in my hangar and never even assemble it.
Well, assemble it, undock and take it for a spin. Show it off.
Dont you get? I dont need it! I dont need ship which I would afraid to lose, which sucks compare to t2 ships I can fly. It is not about me, it is about newbs who would use it if it had reasonable price.
Originally by: sokken
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Im sorry but this isnt supposed to be a fetish game. Ships are made to fly them, not to store as collectibles.
It isnt a fetish game, however you have the OPTION of having a ingame fetish Faction ships provides for the collectors, tech II for PVPers.
Look for "EVE Store" on the left bar if you want fetish. Leave game for players, who use ships to fight.
If we hand all the new players the best stuff the moment they log in, whats the point? Part of what makes stuff special is the effort gone into aquiring them. If comets were a dime a dozen, noone would care about them at all.
As for being afraid to fly them, thats your issue. Not the game.
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Sobeseki Pawi
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Posted - 2005.06.20 03:30:00 -
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Originally by: ELECTR0FREAK
Yeah, those small ammo BPOs really burn a hole in your wallet.
Careful, you might get accused of trolling.
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ELECTR0FREAK
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Posted - 2005.06.20 03:35:00 -
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Gimmie a break.
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Sobeseki Pawi
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Posted - 2005.06.20 03:38:00 -
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Originally by: ELECTR0FREAK
Gimmie a break.
Hey, you wanted to play, not me.
~Sobe |
ELECTR0FREAK
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Posted - 2005.06.20 04:08:00 -
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Edited by: ELECTR0FREAK on 20/06/2005 04:11:28
Well Sobe it all just comes down to the fact that I'm calling BS. Its just painful to watch you post, it really is. Anyhow, I'm sure these nice people would like their thread back.
To put the train back on the tracks, I'll throw in my two cents. I don't think faction ships should be too much easier to get, as having a faction ships tend to be a goal for NPCers to strive for. Lets face it. Missioning can be boring, and faction ships provide some incentive to NPC besides just whoring ISK. That said, I think that faction ship offers should be a bit more common. Getting the LP for a faction frigate isn't too hard, but waiting for the offer is a pain in the rear. I've got around 100k LP with an agent and in about 2 weeks of offers I haven't yet gotten the frigate offer. I keep getting lowballed with 60k LP offers. :\
Personally, I wish faction ships were more like T2 ships. Yes, I know they're just supposed to be named normal ships, same as named items compared to T2, but as it stands, the ships aren't so much better than the normal ships to warrant actually USING them in combat, not after the amount of work was put into getting them. However, I don't really see any way around this without making faction ships virtually invincible.
Perhaps the best solution (to make everyone happy) would be to add new sets of faction ships that are easier to get. Not so much trophies as slightly improved variants of normal ships. Say, a Raven C-X2 T (the current Raven is stamped "C-X1 T"). It might only be 100k LP or so (estimating) and would only be marginally better than a normal Raven. This would allow people to still "collect" the Navy Issue, while putting more faction ships into space.
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Sobeseki Pawi
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Posted - 2005.06.20 04:19:00 -
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That's not a bad idea. Even with current named items you have some which might as well be collector's items, while others are affordable enough to be useful.
~Sobe |
Azrael Maxim
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Posted - 2005.06.20 05:50:00 -
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There isnt much elbow room between a standard raven and a cn raven though.
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Sobeseki Pawi
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Posted - 2005.06.20 09:45:00 -
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Originally by: Azrael Maxim
There isnt much elbow room between a standard raven and a cn raven though.
I think that is part of the problem, named ships dont 'appear' to be worth their cost when analyzed purely based on stats. Now of course its a bit different when you apply it, but who would risk a CN Raven in a fight? Even if it would mean you win?
~Sobe |
sokken
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Posted - 2005.06.20 11:17:00 -
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Originally by: ELECTR0FREAK
That said, I think that faction ship offers should be a bit more common. Getting the LP for a faction frigate isn't too hard, but waiting for the offer is a pain in the rear. I've got around 100k LP with an agent and in about 2 weeks of offers I haven't yet gotten the frigate offer. I keep getting lowballed with 60k LP offers. :\
That i can agree too. Its one of the reasons i havent done missions in months.
What i would like to see is a list to pick offers from. Now, this list does not show the top offers available to you, but the lower 2/3 (or some other number our Gods find to be balanced  ). So to be able to pick a faction frig(75k LP isnit?) of the list you'd need 112.500,00 LP to unlock it on the list. You only use the 75k LP needed. Or maybe listed offers should be slightly more expensive.
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Azrael Maxim
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Posted - 2005.06.20 11:18:00 -
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I was thinking if you want a named raven between a normal raven and a cn raven, you could up the shields a bit and an xtra bit of armor.
But if you would make a turret hardpoint a missile hardpoint you almost have a cn raven already.
Maybe it would be nice to have a mark II raven where you have 6 turret hardpoints and 2 launcher hardpoints with some different bonusses from the normal one.
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James Lyrus
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Posted - 2005.06.20 11:24:00 -
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If you could get me a caldari navy scorpion, I'd take that into PvP.
Faction ships are, apart from the battleships, white elephants IMO. There's not point using a faction frigate, when an assault frigate/interceptor is a) better and b) replaceable.
Now faction battleships _are_ (for the moment at least) the best things out there. So it kinda follows the same logic on availability and cost as T2/top end named stuff - gives you an edge, but costs more to lose.
But I really do think there needs to be faction tier 1 battleships. I love my scorp, and wouldn't give it up if you gave me a fully fitted CN raven. (Actually, that's probably not entirely true, but I'd think long and hard about it :))
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