Ok so this is an idea seen as the pvp these days are most lets hop on a titan and make things boring with low risk and the small guys getting thrashed

my idea is to create a support cruiser class that can cyno jam on grid area only stopping these hot drops only on grid making it more fair for the smaller guys and small gang pvp nobody likes getting hot dropped in a fleet where you are just out to have a decent fight not saying fair fight but at least a decent one.

so for the three different races you should have a shield version for caldari with missile bonus armour version for amarr with laser bonus and mini version with projectile bonus plus a bonus to speed and micro warp drive cap usage the tank should be kept weak so its fair to all even those who want to hot drop

this ship would give the people who still believe in roaming and having a decent fight a fair chance against the guys who sit on a titan all night just wanting to gank people its boring and there should be something to counter this I.E a ship that can stop cynos on grid

let me know what you think don't titan users are going to troll of course but its just an idea to even up the field abit

umm... wouldnt that enable someone to exploit this by dropping caps on grid and then firing up their own cyno jammer to stop any counter force... thus creating a rather uncomfortable experience for the original target ?

umm... wouldnt that enable someone to exploit this by dropping caps on grid and then firing up their own cyno jammer to stop any counter force... thus creating a rather uncomfortable experience for the original target ?

umm... wouldnt that enable someone to exploit this by dropping caps on grid and then firing up their own cyno jammer to stop any counter force... thus creating a rather uncomfortable experience for the original target ?

I believe that is the idea. Much like a system wide cyno jammer prevents capital escalation in your system, this ship would prevent capital escalation on the grid, a much more limited protection. It gives the side with this vessel an advantage, but it is only about a minute or two of extra time before enemy caps get on grid.

Sorry to rain on the general parade here, but I feel the OP is skipping past a few crucial details, in what is really a larger more complex issue.

Hot Dropping: Bridging is intended to bypass reinforced blockades and travel time. Here, it has been fine tuned to avoid advertising the presence of a fleet to the free intel tool as well by delaying the easily recognizable population spike till the last possible moment. The intention is to deny the warning local provides, although it still reports the presence of the cyno boat enough to be associated with AFK Cloaking instead.
Quite simply, while PvE pilots would never resume regular activities with a hostile fleet present, they are sometimes willing to gamble over whether a cloaked vessel represents that level of threat at a given time.

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The OP presents an idea that would effectively remove the counter that was player created.
Noone seriously is worried over cloaked vessels, as they are balanced with low combat abilities in exchange for this would-be stealth.
No, people are more worried about is that the vessel may be allowing a fleet to bypass local chat's intel.

That population spike is a dead giveaway that a large number of ships is coming, and local warns everyone the moment they enter the system. Short of hot dropping, it is simple to stay aligned and insta warp to a safe the moment you see such a pop spike. This allows anyone wanting to avoid a fleet the ability to do so.

I do not suggest that fleets should be fed free kill mails, do not assume that. I AM suggesting that it should take more effort than casually glancing at local chat to be warned of this.

If you don't want to need teamwork and effort to succeed, go where it is not needed. Everywhere local warns people like this, however, I notice it is also not needed.

and you still miss the point and by the look of it the titan hugger trolls are coming

Ok so this is an idea seen as the pvp these days are most lets hop on a titan and make things boring with low risk and the small guys getting thrashed

my idea is to create a support cruiser class that can cyno jam on grid area only stopping these hot drops only on grid making it more fair for the smaller guys and small gang pvp nobody likes getting hot dropped in a fleet where you are just out to have a decent fight not saying fair fight but at least a decent one.

so for the three different races you should have a shield version for caldari with missile bonus armour version for amarr with laser bonus and mini version with projectile bonus and gallente bonus with hybrid bonus plus a bonus to speed and micro warp drive cap usage the tank should be kept weak so its fair to all even those who want to hot drop

this ship would give the people who still believe in roaming and having a decent fight a fair chance against the guys who sit on a titan all night just wanting to gank people its boring and there should be something to counter this I.E a ship that can stop cynos on grid

let me know what you think titan users are going to troll of course but its just an idea to even up the field abit

This seems pretty pointless... So why bother introducing a complicated new game feature to little effect?

I think Mary Annabelle caught on to it.

This is not to create fights, or even balance fights. It is a means to avoid them.

A cyno pilot who knows he cannot light up won't bother. The whole point of a hot drop is to catch someone who would otherwise not stick around to fight.
Having established they don't want a fight, and this keeping it firmly up to them, it won't happen.

I'm not 100% opposed to this, but it needs to be carefully balanced.

1.) Covert cyno's should be unaffected by this. Covert Jump capable ships are already limited by their hull, and I see no reason to prevent covert jumping...

2.) Jamming out an entire grid is pretty harsh.... and that may be too much. I'd prefer a more limited range, like a 50-100 km radius sphere.

3.) The order of precedence needs to be established. If I light a cyno, it should be to late for you to prevent it bridging to it... In other words, you need to preemptively act to prevent a cyno, not "react" to prevent a bridge to an already lit cyno.

4.) The cyno-jamming ship needs to suffer drawbacks:

Activating the cyno jamming module should incur a weapons flag (i.e. no docking/jumping for 60s).

Activating the cyno jamming module might also incur movement penalties (like to hics)....

With these "balances", the cynojamming ship might be acceptable... but the idea still needs further vetting!

I think the exact opposite . . . how many roams dont take place because everyone fears the hot drop? how many fleets arent engaged because "it feels like bait cyno"

2.) Jamming out an entire grid is pretty harsh.... and that may be too much. I'd prefer a more limited range, like a 50-100 km radius sphere.

maybe 200 km? so youre out of warp disruption range of a lachesis with loki bonus?

3.) The order of precedence needs to be established. If I light a cyno, it should be to late for you to prevent it bridging to it... In other words, you need to preemptively act to prevent a cyno, not "react" to prevent a bridge to an already lit cyno.
Agreed . . . the field should prevent cynos from going up but not affect any cynos currently up.

It would be cool, however, to script the module to prevent ships from coming through open cynos if you targeted it, like the script on the warp disruption field generator.

So you can have the script in and target the ship launching the cyno to prevent anyone from coming through it, so you would need 2 to completely lock down a grid once a cyno is up.

there is alot of good ideas coming to this i am seeing some titan users trolling of course that will happen they like there no risk pvp and easy kills but i for one like to roam and have decent fights and not have to fight cowards that can cyno in 50 battleships and 7 carriers plus support to kill your 5 man hurricane gang bring pvp back in to good form.

Yeah right.

You may have heard of this happening. You may have even seen it first hand.

But at what point does it make sense that 5 players in your hurricane roam get to tell 60 players that they have to play according to your rules? That is what you described.

A few players telling many how to play, and it is fine.

I guess you like telling that hot dropper he doesn't get to bring his friends, following your logic. That way, your superior numbers wins, while his are stuck safely far away.
Null sec, who knew these rules before?

Back to reality. Those carebears are gonna exploit the beans outta this, don't kid yourself.

Yeah right.

You may have heard of this happening. You may have even seen it first hand.

But at what point does it make sense that 5 players in your hurricane roam get to tell 60 players that they have to play according to your rules? That is what you described.

A few players telling many how to play, and it is fine.

I guess you like telling that hot dropper he doesn't get to bring his friends, following your logic. That way, your superior numbers wins, while his are stuck safely far away.
Null sec, who knew these rules before?

Back to reality. Those carebears are gonna exploit the beans outta this, don't kid yourself.

This method is simply make all cynos run for thirty seconds before they can be used to jump or bridge. Call it the time it takes to establish and stabilize the connection.

Yeah right.

You may have heard of this happening. You may have even seen it first hand.

But at what point does it make sense that 5 players in your hurricane roam get to tell 60 players that they have to play according to your rules? That is what you described.

A few players telling many how to play, and it is fine.

I guess you like telling that hot dropper he doesn't get to bring his friends, following your logic. That way, your superior numbers wins, while his are stuck safely far away.
Null sec, who knew these rules before?

Back to reality. Those carebears are gonna exploit the beans outta this, don't kid yourself.