Ok so this is an idea seen as the pvp these days are most lets hop on a titan and make things boring with low risk and the small guys getting thrashed

my idea is to create a support cruiser class that can cyno jam on grid area only stopping these hot drops only on grid making it more fair for the smaller guys and small gang pvp nobody likes getting hot dropped in a fleet where you are just out to have a decent fight not saying fair fight but at least a decent one.

so for the three different races you should have a shield version for caldari with missile bonus armour version for amarr with laser bonus and mini version with projectile bonus plus a bonus to speed and micro warp drive cap usage the tank should be kept weak so its fair to all even those who want to hot drop

this ship would give the people who still believe in roaming and having a decent fight a fair chance against the guys who sit on a titan all night just wanting to gank people its boring and there should be something to counter this I.E a ship that can stop cynos on grid

let me know what you think don't titan users are going to troll of course but its just an idea to even up the field abit

umm... wouldnt that enable someone to exploit this by dropping caps on grid and then firing up their own cyno jammer to stop any counter force... thus creating a rather uncomfortable experience for the original target ?

umm... wouldnt that enable someone to exploit this by dropping caps on grid and then firing up their own cyno jammer to stop any counter force... thus creating a rather uncomfortable experience for the original target ?

umm... wouldnt that enable someone to exploit this by dropping caps on grid and then firing up their own cyno jammer to stop any counter force... thus creating a rather uncomfortable experience for the original target ?

I believe that is the idea. Much like a system wide cyno jammer prevents capital escalation in your system, this ship would prevent capital escalation on the grid, a much more limited protection. It gives the side with this vessel an advantage, but it is only about a minute or two of extra time before enemy caps get on grid.

Sorry to rain on the general parade here, but I feel the OP is skipping past a few crucial details, in what is really a larger more complex issue.

Hot Dropping: Bridging is intended to bypass reinforced blockades and travel time. Here, it has been fine tuned to avoid advertising the presence of a fleet to the free intel tool as well by delaying the easily recognizable population spike till the last possible moment. The intention is to deny the warning local provides, although it still reports the presence of the cyno boat enough to be associated with AFK Cloaking instead.
Quite simply, while PvE pilots would never resume regular activities with a hostile fleet present, they are sometimes willing to gamble over whether a cloaked vessel represents that level of threat at a given time.

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The OP presents an idea that would effectively remove the counter that was player created.
Noone seriously is worried over cloaked vessels, as they are balanced with low combat abilities in exchange for this would-be stealth.
No, people are more worried about is that the vessel may be allowing a fleet to bypass local chat's intel.

That population spike is a dead giveaway that a large number of ships is coming, and local warns everyone the moment they enter the system. Short of hot dropping, it is simple to stay aligned and insta warp to a safe the moment you see such a pop spike. This allows anyone wanting to avoid a fleet the ability to do so.

I do not suggest that fleets should be fed free kill mails, do not assume that. I AM suggesting that it should take more effort than casually glancing at local chat to be warned of this.

If you don't want to need teamwork and effort to succeed, go where it is not needed. Everywhere local warns people like this, however, I notice it is also not needed.

and you still miss the point and by the look of it the titan hugger trolls are coming

Ok so this is an idea seen as the pvp these days are most lets hop on a titan and make things boring with low risk and the small guys getting thrashed

my idea is to create a support cruiser class that can cyno jam on grid area only stopping these hot drops only on grid making it more fair for the smaller guys and small gang pvp nobody likes getting hot dropped in a fleet where you are just out to have a decent fight not saying fair fight but at least a decent one.

so for the three different races you should have a shield version for caldari with missile bonus armour version for amarr with laser bonus and mini version with projectile bonus and gallente bonus with hybrid bonus plus a bonus to speed and micro warp drive cap usage the tank should be kept weak so its fair to all even those who want to hot drop

this ship would give the people who still believe in roaming and having a decent fight a fair chance against the guys who sit on a titan all night just wanting to gank people its boring and there should be something to counter this I.E a ship that can stop cynos on grid

let me know what you think titan users are going to troll of course but its just an idea to even up the field abit

This seems pretty pointless... So why bother introducing a complicated new game feature to little effect?

I think Mary Annabelle caught on to it.

This is not to create fights, or even balance fights. It is a means to avoid them.

A cyno pilot who knows he cannot light up won't bother. The whole point of a hot drop is to catch someone who would otherwise not stick around to fight.
Having established they don't want a fight, and this keeping it firmly up to them, it won't happen.

I'm not 100% opposed to this, but it needs to be carefully balanced.

1.) Covert cyno's should be unaffected by this. Covert Jump capable ships are already limited by their hull, and I see no reason to prevent covert jumping...

2.) Jamming out an entire grid is pretty harsh.... and that may be too much. I'd prefer a more limited range, like a 50-100 km radius sphere.

3.) The order of precedence needs to be established. If I light a cyno, it should be to late for you to prevent it bridging to it... In other words, you need to preemptively act to prevent a cyno, not "react" to prevent a bridge to an already lit cyno.

4.) The cyno-jamming ship needs to suffer drawbacks:

Activating the cyno jamming module should incur a weapons flag (i.e. no docking/jumping for 60s).

Activating the cyno jamming module might also incur movement penalties (like to hics)....

With these "balances", the cynojamming ship might be acceptable... but the idea still needs further vetting!

I think the exact opposite . . . how many roams dont take place because everyone fears the hot drop? how many fleets arent engaged because "it feels like bait cyno"

2.) Jamming out an entire grid is pretty harsh.... and that may be too much. I'd prefer a more limited range, like a 50-100 km radius sphere.

maybe 200 km? so youre out of warp disruption range of a lachesis with loki bonus?

3.) The order of precedence needs to be established. If I light a cyno, it should be to late for you to prevent it bridging to it... In other words, you need to preemptively act to prevent a cyno, not "react" to prevent a bridge to an already lit cyno.
Agreed . . . the field should prevent cynos from going up but not affect any cynos currently up.

It would be cool, however, to script the module to prevent ships from coming through open cynos if you targeted it, like the script on the warp disruption field generator.

So you can have the script in and target the ship launching the cyno to prevent anyone from coming through it, so you would need 2 to completely lock down a grid once a cyno is up.

there is alot of good ideas coming to this i am seeing some titan users trolling of course that will happen they like there no risk pvp and easy kills but i for one like to roam and have decent fights and not have to fight cowards that can cyno in 50 battleships and 7 carriers plus support to kill your 5 man hurricane gang bring pvp back in to good form.

Yeah right.

You may have heard of this happening. You may have even seen it first hand.

But at what point does it make sense that 5 players in your hurricane roam get to tell 60 players that they have to play according to your rules? That is what you described.

A few players telling many how to play, and it is fine.

I guess you like telling that hot dropper he doesn't get to bring his friends, following your logic. That way, your superior numbers wins, while his are stuck safely far away.
Null sec, who knew these rules before?

Back to reality. Those carebears are gonna exploit the beans outta this, don't kid yourself.

Yeah right.

You may have heard of this happening. You may have even seen it first hand.

But at what point does it make sense that 5 players in your hurricane roam get to tell 60 players that they have to play according to your rules? That is what you described.

A few players telling many how to play, and it is fine.

I guess you like telling that hot dropper he doesn't get to bring his friends, following your logic. That way, your superior numbers wins, while his are stuck safely far away.
Null sec, who knew these rules before?

Back to reality. Those carebears are gonna exploit the beans outta this, don't kid yourself.

This method is simply make all cynos run for thirty seconds before they can be used to jump or bridge. Call it the time it takes to establish and stabilize the connection.

Yeah right.

You may have heard of this happening. You may have even seen it first hand.

But at what point does it make sense that 5 players in your hurricane roam get to tell 60 players that they have to play according to your rules? That is what you described.

A few players telling many how to play, and it is fine.

I guess you like telling that hot dropper he doesn't get to bring his friends, following your logic. That way, your superior numbers wins, while his are stuck safely far away.
Null sec, who knew these rules before?

Back to reality. Those carebears are gonna exploit the beans outta this, don't kid yourself.

I'm sorry, all I read was "Im space poor with an affinity for big gangs of small ships that hug gates looking for easy kills, but I don't like getting killed just as easily by bigger gangs than I can field! Fix it CCP!"

haha not at all i am not poor and clearly you use a titan that much you forgot what roaming is let me clear this up for you. you get a fleet together and you set a destination to where you want to go to and back from you fly up to a gate and press the jump button not sit there and camp it you keep moving hopeing to find another roaming fleet or gate camp to kill but of course you wouldn't know that because your a titan hugging coward

anyway carrying on with the threads intention more good ideas are sufacing this ship is the perfect fix to bring back roaming gangs i do like the bridge idea where the titan has to jump in after the bridge cycle tho.

I think Mary Annabelle caught on to it.

This is not to create fights, or even balance fights. It is a means to avoid them.

A cyno pilot who knows he cannot light up won't bother. The whole point of a hot drop is to catch someone who would otherwise not stick around to fight.
Having established they don't want a fight, and this keeping it firmly up to them, it won't happen.

QFT.

Seems people just want to raom around ganking solo travellers calling them good fights without the risk of another fleet being able to properly catch & engage them.

You use forward scouts so you can't be bubbled/drag bubbled, probably rear scouts also to stop a fleet chasing you down, Now you want to remove the ability for a fleet to drop right on top of you.

risk averse much?

gf gf

This is just another way for the roaming fleet to prevent themselves having to engage anything that poses a challenge / defeat. With scouts in place, and this ship, getting that fleet to fight on anything but their terms would be nigh impossible.

So it's a no. And that's coming from an alliance that both uses hot drops and gets hotdropped.

Man up, James :-)

Lol coming from an alliance that would hot drop a rifter with an ahac fleet

Grow some balls JD :)

a cyno jamming ship should be capital if at all.

Only time we go hotdrop is when we find campers with eyes everywhere.... Things have really improved in the Gud fites dept recently :-)

You can have this ship if we get a 30 second local update delay, how's that?

You can have this ship if we get a 30 second local update delay, how's that?

How many well intentioned ideas end up being misused?

I appreciate you would want this to promote more PvP, but the fact remains that it could be used very effectively to avoid it.
And let there be no doubt strong motivation exists for some pilots to do exactly that.

It is not enough that it might do some good occasionally.

How would you balance out those who would seek to avoid risk, above and beyond what is intended by the game's design?
For this undoubtedly creates such opportunities.

A Faction fit Arazu has a 72 km pt before Warfare Link Bonuses. And links only push it out to 90ish.... Frankly, I think having someone decloak an arazu, pt from 70ish km's, bridge in the backup, and gank your anti-cyno ship is exactly the type of danger it should have to face... and I think that's a pretty good reason to limit the range to 50-60 km's. At the same time, logistics reps have a 72 km range.... which is the only reason I thought pushing it out to 80ish is a good idea...

From a pragmatic use scenario... when an opponent cyno's onto field, you want them beyond rep range, but closer than warp range.... this basically means there will be two separate fleets, and allows you to finish one off before engaging the other, etc...

Also, need to add a fifth caveat:

5.) The module cannot be activated while inside a POS shield!!! And your ship is "prevented" from entering a POS force field while the cyno disruption field is active.

Now if you want a way to Counter Titan and black op drops you should reverse it entirely. Make the bridgeing ship autojump at the end of the current (covert) cyno if the cynoship isn't destroyed.

This way you have a bit more options, you can counter drop, and keep the enemy cyno alive and at the end of the cycle, you get a big expensive bonus if you manage to kill the fleet and set in the proper tackle. This just requires a tiny change in bridgeing mechanics, as well as in self destructing mechanics (not allowed to selfdestruct while a cyno is active) instead of introduceing an inbalanced, easily exploitable new ship that really doesn't serve any purpose.

A better idea would be to literally reverse it and make the ships right click on the cyno and appear next to the titan . . . that way you cant bridge and then just log off.


First of all the word is unbalanced
Second, you dont explain how the ship would be easily exploitable
Lastly the ship would serve a purpose, preventing hot drops . . .

i think we need to ask WHY some ppl want a ship to have this ability.

and i think the answer is because some ppl hotdrop in ridiculous way.

they misuse the capability offered by titans because of a flaw in the way bridging is designed.

everything PVP related in eve is designed to be put at risk, any ship that take part, in a way or another, to combat, CAN be potentially destroyed.

a flaw was logi ship, which still had the capacity to dock any moment even if they were taking action in combat, and this has been corrected with the last update.

only ships now that remains able to take part in fight yet stay in pure safety are titans and black ops, that can just project forces, thus taking active part in combat, without being put at risk of destruction.

this is wrong.

make it so that the titans and Black ops are on the field, where they take the risk of being killed, like anyone that take part in the fight.

thus those using titans will have to think wisely about taking part of it.

this will stop silly hotdrop of 20+ gang to kill 2 cruisers, or at least give the opportunity for the "other side" to fight back ALL the ppl taking part in the combat.

i know a couple of ppl that would either stop dropping crazy stuff, or loose titans sooner or later.

ps: all this is also available to black ops indeed

all pvp pilot shall assess the risk when he take part in any fight, but not the titans pilots, they just don't care, they bridge and Voila. this is not the way eve claims to work

Show us on the dolly where the big bad titan/black ops drop touched you.

Show us on the dolly where the big bad titan/black ops drop touched you.

So you want to remove a valid tactic which is projecting a fleet?

In that state they're not using it for combat for a purpose, it's a f****** expensive ship. If people want to use one of it only for one of it's greatest assets while keeping it out of harms way that's their business, you should have to actually look for what system they're in like how you have to find jump bridges by probing for them

A tactical asset that isn't even being ised to it's fullest extent.

Once it's found you call the bubblers in to make sure it can't get away so it doesn't even matter if they're in a pos because thats when you bring in most of your corp/alliance

I believe that is the idea. Much like a system wide cyno jammer prevents capital escalation in your system, this ship would prevent capital escalation on the grid, a much more limited protection. It gives the side with this vessel an advantage, but it is only about a minute or two of extra time before enemy caps get on grid.

a 'system wide cyno jammer' requires a little more than just rolling a ship through a stargate and hitting an 'F' key of your choice to fire up the module