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Coug
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Posted - 2005.06.19 23:57:00 -
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VERTIGO COALITION CHANGES STANDINGS TWORDS ASCN
Khanid Prime, Khanid û June 19th - In Vertigo Coalitions (VC) continuing war efforts against the declining Stain Empire (SE), members of VC have encountered Ascendant Frontier (ASCN) with varying degrees of friendship and hostility. Specifically, VC members do not share aggressive KOS lists (but do share defensive ones), RUBRA has maintained their hostile relations to ASCN and their member corps while DMGI has maintained their friendly relations (even after a few unfortunate blue on blue accidents when a RUBRA wing leader erroneously gave the shoot to kill command to a DMGI pilot).
With the recent developments of having to chase VCÆs primary targets into ASCN controlled space, VC leadership has decided to unify our standings in relation to ASCN. It was surmised that ASCN wouldnÆt take kindly to VC chasing down SE pilots running from them in their regions. ôWe thought it would be best to honorably end our friendly relationship with ASCN,ö stated robbie6517, CEO of Damage Industries.
ôThe blue on blue incidents were unfortunate when they occurred at the time, but each case was settled with the victim satisfied that proper recompense had been made,ö said Coug, External Relations and Public Relations Director for Damage Industries.
ôThe structure of VC is such that individual corporations can go off and do their own thing, but we are looking forward to involving the entirety of VC against ASCN should any of our raids take us into their space,ö stated Cpt Pugwash, CEO of Rubra Libertas Militia.
About Vertigo Coalition
Vertigo Coalition is a relatively new informal alliance started from a friendship forged from the fires of war between DMGI and RUBRA. Vertigo Coalition has recently grown to incorporate 3 other like minded corporations and continues to succeed in their war efforts against the Stain Empire.
About Damage Industries
Damage Industries was one of the premier military corporations in the Fountain Alliance for the past year. In early 2005, DMGI set out with RUBRA to form the Vertigo Coalition to attack the Stain Empire and to focus on the guerilla warfare style of tactics that DMGI and RUBRA favored.
About Rubra Libertas Militia
Rubra Libertas Militia is a composite corporation formed from Red Brigades and Libertas MilesMilitis. RUBRA spent many months attacking Fountain and their logistic corridors before joining the Imperium Alliance and shifting their attention to the southern regions where they joined up with Damage for their next target: Stain.
The original Press Release can be found here
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Amthrianius
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Posted - 2005.06.20 00:04:00 -
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Blue on Blue does indeed suck, I wish both sides fun and is robbie still drinking that Blue Nun? 
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Krapz
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Posted - 2005.06.20 00:34:00 -
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Understood. Thx for the heads up. So to sum it up (I'm a real nuts and bolts type of guy) you guys are setting us at -10?
It is unfortunate, but we did have mutual travel rights with SE, and continue to share a friendly relationship with them. Getting involved into this conflict is not something that we wanted to directly engage in, but I guess it was inevitable with this sorta thing.
If we are to be set to -10 by you guys, I believe it is in our best interests to go ahead and set you guys to -10 as well, just out of self preservation.
Sorry to hear about the chasing of an enemy into our space, that sort of thing just shouldn't happen. Convo me ingame for now to straighten out anything else.
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Gilbert Drillerson
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Posted - 2005.06.20 00:47:00 -
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I understand your initial question krapz... that press release is unreadable. basically it goes like this "rabble rabble ASCN rabble rabble rabble standing rabble rabble rabble Kill SE"
But i agree, it does look like they are setting us to -10.
If thats the case, I look forward to some fun 
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2005.06.20 01:03:00 -
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 Quote:
we are looking forward to involving the entirety of VC against ASCN
Pretty straightforward I'd think...
Not much "rabble rabble" about that.
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Originally by: Krapz
Getting involved into this conflict is not something that we wanted to directly engage in
Now now Krapz, I've been talking with you guys for weeks - Warning that something like this might happen unless you took meassures to avoid it.
You didnt.
I'm not one bit surprised that VC has made this statement.
Another similar one *might* soon follow (for the same reasons) - As you well know.
Theres a deadline...
/me hits Coug on the head for stealing the limelight 
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Krapz
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Posted - 2005.06.20 01:16:00 -
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Originally by: TornSoul
Quote:
we are looking forward to involving the entirety of VC against ASCN
Pretty straightforward I'd think...
Not much "rabble rabble" about that.
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Originally by: Krapz
Getting involved into this conflict is not something that we wanted to directly engage in
Now now Krapz, I've been talking with you guys for weeks - Warning that something like this might happen unless you took meassures to avoid it.
You didnt.
I'm not one bit surprised that VC has made this statement.
Another similar one *might* soon follow (for the same reasons) - As you well know.
Theres a deadline...
/me hits Coug on the head for stealing the limelight
OK then, let's just cut to the chase. I like to think of myself as a pretty simple guy.
1) How much are you paying them? Because it's not THAT much of a secret.
2) Let's just say HYPOTHETICALLY that I wasn't telepathic. What would you want ASCN to do, exactly, before your "deadline" ?
No more innuendos. No more suggestive threats. What is it exactly you want with ASCN?
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jamesw
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Posted - 2005.06.20 01:27:00 -
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Originally by: Krapz
1) How much are you paying them? Because it's not THAT much of a secret.
Not being paid, tyvm.
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jamesw
Rubra Libertas Militia
Originally by: RollinDutchMasters
I fly a dominix, its like a portable blob in a can
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2005.06.20 01:31:00 -
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Originally by: Krapz
What is it exactly you want with ASCN?
Preferbly absolutly nothing.
Hence the discussed 'meassures'.
About your telepathy : You where present at the talks...
I hope you forgive me posting the following snippet (I'm not in the habbit of posting logs here), but hopefully it'll jerk your memory?
Quote:
[ 2005.06.09 18:56:31 ] TornSoul > All I want is that you start thinking about it - So, as I said it doesnt get decided by mistakes and accidents
[ 2005.06.09 18:56:47 ] Krapz > rgr
[ 2005.06.09 18:56:51 ] Cacciatore > it's current policy that warring factions who may both be aligned with us must leave their fight outside our borders
[ 2005.06.09 18:56:53 ] TornSoul > I tried to convey that to CYVOK as well
If it doesnt - Have a word with Cacciatore
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Krapz
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Posted - 2005.06.20 01:35:00 -
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Originally by: TornSoul
I hope you forgive me posting the following snippet (I'm not in the habbit of posting logs here), but hopefully it'll jerk your memory?
Quote:
[ 2005.06.09 18:56:31 ] TornSoul > All I want is that you start thinking about it - So, as I said it doesnt get decided by mistakes and accidents
[ 2005.06.09 18:56:47 ] Krapz > rgr
[ 2005.06.09 18:56:51 ] Cacciatore > it's current policy that warring factions who may both be aligned with us must leave their fight outside our borders
[ 2005.06.09 18:56:53 ] TornSoul > I tried to convey that to CYVOK as well
If it doesnt - Have a word with Cacciatore
I don't get it. You want to shoot ppl IN our space? I don't think Cacciatore could have made it any more clear.
"it's current policy that warring factions who may both be aligned with us must leave their fight outside our borders."
I am flattered by all the attention, but I'm still waiting for THE POINT.
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Noob Esquire
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Posted - 2005.06.20 01:35:00 -
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Originally by: TornSoul
Originally by: Krapz
What is it exactly you want with ASCN?
Preferbly absolutly nothing.
Hence the discussed 'meassures'.
About your telepathy : You where present at the talks...
I hope you forgive me posting the following snippet (I'm not in the habbit of posting logs here), but hopefully it'll jerk your memory?
Quote:
[ 2005.06.09 18:56:31 ] TornSoul > All I want is that you start thinking about it - So, as I said it doesnt get decided by mistakes and accidents
[ 2005.06.09 18:56:47 ] Krapz > rgr
[ 2005.06.09 18:56:51 ] Cacciatore > it's current policy that warring factions who may both be aligned with us must leave their fight outside our borders
[ 2005.06.09 18:56:53 ] TornSoul > I tried to convey that to CYVOK as well
If it doesnt - Have a word with Cacciatore
Wait, WHO's calling the shots here?
Xendie PWN's Himself
**President of the Xendie/Malken Society for Advanced Thought** |
Steel Rat
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Posted - 2005.06.20 01:35:00 -
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So let me get this straight. FA is now threatening us because we chose to remain neutral in the conflict between SE/FA/FIX/The Coalition/Every other tom **** and harry corp FA has hired.
I don't take kindly to being told who we are to side with. We have not agressively gone after any of the parties against SE/The Coalition. We do maintain our borders and because we have today and have always had good relations with SE continue to work with them.
But let me make it quite clear, ASCN in no way has supported the actions in the south between SE/FA/FIX and The Coalition. In other words, it really wasn't our war. By your very comments, you are about to make it our war and forcing us into an action that ASCN has no real interest in. It sounds like to me, FA has 1 goal in mind, to destabilize the south completely and that goes as far as making enemies with someone who has never consider FA an enemy.
I look forward to FA's next statement.
Steel Rat
ASCN Chief Oppressor
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2005.06.20 01:44:00 -
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Originally by: Steel Rat
It sounds like to me, FA has 1 goal in mind, to destabilize the south completely
The 'meassures' discussed (and no I wont get into them here, due to their sensitive nature) was actually to ensure that that *wouldnt* happen.
Instead it was a meassure to *contain* the conflict.
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Virtuozzo
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Posted - 2005.06.20 01:48:00 -
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What a contraproductive issue. Well, let's see where this goes.
Cheers,
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Krapz
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Posted - 2005.06.20 02:00:00 -
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Edited by: Krapz on 20/06/2005 02:02:45
Originally by: TornSoul
Originally by: Steel Rat
It sounds like to me, FA has 1 goal in mind, to destabilize the south completely
The 'meassures' discussed (and no I wont get into them here, due to their sensitive nature) was actually to ensure that that *wouldnt* happen.
Instead it was a meassure to *contain* the conflict.
It's OK, I have nothing to hide Torn. I'll post the important bits ; )
[ 2005.06.09 18:48:12 ] TornSoul > With the WAR between SE/FA - You knwo that the war will evnetualyl spread to the SE regions - and thus.. you guys become 'neigbours to the conflict'
[ 2005.06.09 18:48:39 ] TornSoul > Thus - We'd liek to knwo in advance what to expect - Else we'll simpyl have to expect the worst.
If you MUST expect the worst, then that is up to you. It's a shame though, there are multiple settings from -10 to +10, and you can seem to only see 2 of them. Again, that's not our problem, and we're not getting involved in that issue either.
In short, our policy is just that. It's ours. If we wanted you to know it, we'd tell you directly. If you invaded SE with everything you had, and asked us what we were gonna do about it, we'd once again tell you, we don't know. We would make our response clear enough, one way or the other, even if that response was nothing at all.
As I directly told you in that convo, we have not given much thought to it, and that is the honest truth. If we did, we still would not tell you directly what our future plans were, because FA is neutral entity to us, and not an ASCN member corp. The only thing we have talked about is how much you have been continually asking Cacciatore what our stance will be if you invade SE.
Either way, we will not give you a static plan to work around on this issue, as I told you, again, in that same convo. You are not our enemies, you are not our friends. Come on man, you're taking all the stimulating fun out of the game with all that pre-calculated stuff.
I cannot see what you wish to achieve by bringing this issue up in this forum m8?
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Stradivarious
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Posted - 2005.06.20 02:14:00 -
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/me salutes ASCN, game on :) well when I get home from duty tomorrow anyways... 
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2005.06.20 02:14:00 -
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Originally by: Krapz
If you MUST expect the worst, then that is up to you.
As a 'rule of thumb' - It's a terrific life saver in 0.0 
Especially when you dont know what to expect
Originally by: Krapz
We would make our response clear enough, one way or the other.
It looks as if the dices have been rolled on this one (sadly) (It's however in your power to change that at anytime.)
Lets however not hijack this thread with FA/ASCN business any longer.
It's about VC/ASCN
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slip66
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Posted - 2005.06.20 02:22:00 -
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Originally by: Krapz
Originally by: TornSoul
Quote:
we are looking forward to involving the entirety of VC against ASCN
Pretty straightforward I'd think...
Not much "rabble rabble" about that.
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Originally by: Krapz
Getting involved into this conflict is not something that we wanted to directly engage in
Now now Krapz, I've been talking with you guys for weeks - Warning that something like this might happen unless you took meassures to avoid it.
You didnt.
I'm not one bit surprised that VC has made this statement.
Another similar one *might* soon follow (for the same reasons) - As you well know.
Theres a deadline...
/me hits Coug on the head for stealing the limelight
OK then, let's just cut to the chase. I like to think of myself as a pretty simple guy.
1) How much are you paying them? Because it's not THAT much of a secret.
2) Let's just say HYPOTHETICALLY that I wasn't telepathic. What would you want ASCN to do, exactly, before your "deadline" ?
No more innuendos. No more suggestive threats. What is it exactly you want with ASCN?
thats what I like about you best krapz, no BS :)
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Nick Curso
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Posted - 2005.06.20 02:41:00 -
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Kudos Krapz take no ****  thats y i love u man u get things done gg:)
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Chris
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Posted - 2005.06.20 02:52:00 -
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If you want to have an argument with FA then start a new thread kthx.
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thelung187
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Posted - 2005.06.20 03:10:00 -
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I've gotta ask myself, what's the real concern here if FA sets ASCN to -10? I mean, VC has already stated that -10 to FA is -10 to them, is that sentiment reciprocated? If not, that's seems to be a double standard. Besides, I don't know what the big concern is getting FA into the conflict, mining lasers only cause damage to asteroids, not ships. The fact that ASCN gave them any credence whatsoever as even a moderate military force puts a big  over my head. 
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Noob Esquire
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Posted - 2005.06.20 03:17:00 -
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Originally by: Chris
If you want to have an argument with FA then start a new thread kthx.
If FA wants to have an argument with ASCN then start a new thread kthx.
Xendie PWN's Himself
**President of the Xendie/Malken Society for Advanced Thought** |
Steel Rat
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Posted - 2005.06.20 03:27:00 -
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Edited by: Steel Rat on 20/06/2005 03:27:53
Well its like this lung, its not that ASCN gives any credence to FA, its that we don't really give a **** and prefer people to be upfront and let us know where we stand. FA has been beating around this bush for at least 2 weeks or so and been harping on us about a situation we aren't even involved in, yet.
We got our own enemies to deal with and have been dealing with them. VC has just shown where they stand and we accept that and they will be dealt with as such.
Steel Rat
ASCN Chief Oppressor
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pringprang
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Posted - 2005.06.20 03:30:00 -
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Seems like a silly move to me Rubra + co. We don't want your space and you sure as hell arn't getting ours Just seems like a waste of resources to me if we all have other things going on. Hopefully some fun fights come out of it and we'll see what happens.
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2005.06.20 03:37:00 -
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Kinda hoped my last post, was just that, my last... (as this is about VC and not FA)
But I cant let that one sit on me Steel Rat.
It's ASCN who has been doing the bloody bush beating (wonder if that'll get censored  ).
FA made a simple request to ASCN anticipating a future situation - and then waited and waited and waited and... for an answer.
Definatly no bush beating on our part - Even Krapz acknowledges how much I've been pestering them in a previous post here, to get it resolved.
So please - Cut your own bush before cutting someone elses... err.. or something like that 
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Steel Rat
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Posted - 2005.06.20 03:52:00 -
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<gets out pen and paper and draws picture for Tornsoul>
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Krapz
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Posted - 2005.06.20 03:54:00 -
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Edited by: Krapz on 20/06/2005 03:53:53
Originally by: Steel Rat
<gets out pen and paper and draws picture for Tornsoul>
OMFG OWNED! Steel, u are the MACK!
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jamesw
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Posted - 2005.06.20 03:55:00 -
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that was pretty funny actually...
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jamesw
Rubra Libertas Militia
Originally by: RollinDutchMasters
I fly a dominix, its like a portable blob in a can
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KSUDruid
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Posted - 2005.06.20 03:56:00 -
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Originally by: Steel Rat
<gets out pen and paper and draws picture for Tornsoul>
LMAO! You sucka's just got served!
-Druid "Civis Ascendant"
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2005.06.20 03:57:00 -
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ROFL
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Genrit Smith
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Posted - 2005.06.20 03:59:00 -
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Originally by: Steel Rat
<gets out pen and paper and draws picture for Tornsoul>
This is one of the best posts EVER!
Genrit Smith
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