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w0rmy	Posted - 2005.06.21 10:11:00 - [1] I dont, but as a customer id like my opinion able to be voiced and heard. What do others think?
Bhaal	Posted - 2005.06.21 10:19:00 - [2] My opinion is pretty much the only one that matters to me... err, something like that... ------------------------------------------------ "for piece sakes!"
Typherin laidai	Posted - 2005.06.21 10:20:00 - [3] Anyone elses opinion is void... Cept maybe Oveur... hoping he might give in and give me an I Win Button II Bpo ... or a dready and a day pass to yulai Originally by: Eris Discordia gives Typherin some loving
fairimear	Posted - 2005.06.21 10:22:00 - [4] Edited by: fairimear on 21/06/2005 10:23:21 I think the eve comunity is very bias. The issue's with insta's, ganking, log ofs and wcs are all prime examples. they all need a nerf at once. but all you ever see is posts by 1 person moaning about 1 of them. Gankers hate insta's and wcs and moan day in day out about nerfing them. But when people using wcs and instas moan about the ganking the gankers come out and start flaming the posts. and it works's the other way around to. and tbh i think oveur was right sometime we all need to be told to shut up. that thread on the voice was a joke with most saying how the new warp drive active voice sucked. Some people liked it and hate the old 1. Remember obi-wans wise words. You will find a great many things depend on your own point of view. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world Domination.
Grim Vandal	Posted - 2005.06.21 10:31:00 - [5] like in a democracy? NO a democracy tries to please everyone ... may be fine in RL but no ... it would be a really big misstake if ccp would try to do so... its ccp's own right to choose the direction this game is heading to. think about the last vote we did... 50% was for and another 50% was against it... now ccp tries to satisfy all of us who voted YAY or NAY but in the end none of us will be satisfied ... im talking about local/map changes here... same thing happens with instas... ccp will change em ... but those ******* people who liked them wont like the change... and those people who hate them (like meh of course ) will for sure not get what we actually wanted... so again its going to be a half arsed change... so IMO CCP needs by all means to choose one RADICAL direction ... so this will either be the ULTIMATE PvP game or just another WoW copy... Greetings Grim
Bhaal	Posted - 2005.06.21 10:39:00 - [6] Quote: so IMO CCP needs by all means to choose one RADICAL direction ... so this will either be the ULTIMATE PvP game or just another WoW copy... Niether of which will happen... ------------------------------------------------ "for piece sakes!"
MaiLina KaTar	Posted - 2005.06.21 10:40:00 - [7] Yeah you can have your opinion as long as you stfu Mai's Idealog
Ravenge	Posted - 2005.06.21 10:53:00 - [8] Having an opinion is one thing, but beliving yours' is the only one that matters is another so no matter how much crying, moaning or threatening to cancel your account only affects one person.. you. Some people may agree with it, others' may flame you for it and more might just ignore it as their mums' taught them "If you can't say something nice about someone then don't say anything at all."
Typherin laidai	Posted - 2005.06.21 10:58:00 - [9] Originally by: Ravenge Having an opinion is one thing, but beliving yours' is the only one that matters is another so no matter how much crying, moaning or threatening to cancel your account only affects one person.. you. Some people may agree with it, others' may flame you for it and more might just ignore it as their mums' taught them "If you can't say something nice about someone then don't say anything at all." Someone payed attention to the wise words of their parents ^ I must have been out drunk at the time or something Originally by: Eris Discordia gives Typherin some loving
Bhaal	Posted - 2005.06.21 10:59:00 - [10] Quote: "If you can't say something nice about someone then don't say anything at all." I've never believed in that. Only way to change something or someone is to challenge them... Everyone wishes to manipulate their surroundings to make things better for themselves, some are just better at it than others... ------------------------------------------------ "for piece sakes!"

Colthor	Posted - 2005.06.21 11:04:00 - [11] Opinions are like arse holes: Everybody has one, and they all stink. -- OTO are selling Impel and Bustard transport ships. Contact Tsavong Lah or Lacero Callrisian for details. Like mining, hauling or building? Join OTO!
Monty Burns	Posted - 2005.06.21 11:06:00 - [12] I agree with the OP and would like to point out to people that this is not about wcs/instaÆs etc. ItÆs about how someone from CCP who uncharacteristically locked a thread a few minutes ago with a very blunt message. Guess this persons in a bad mood about something as it was actually a jovial thread. Hangover maybe? Besides which, as Jeremy Clarkson put it, an opinion is neither right nor wrong, its an opinion and simply that, As a paying customer we should be able to state our opinion on cosmetic sound changes, WCS, InstaÆs or anything else we feel is really hurting or would improve this excellent game. If we didnÆt comment as a customer, how different would this game be? If we did not challenge what would still be happening or not happening? Lets hope this isnÆt the start of an otherwise excellent forum into other less scrupulous MMO publishers way of thinkingà.. Darwin 4tw
Oveur	Posted - 2005.06.21 11:12:00 - [13] Originally by: Monty Burns I agree with the OP and would like to point out to people that this is not about wcs/instaÆs etc. ItÆs about how someone from CCP who uncharacteristically locked a thread a few minutes ago with a very blunt message. Guess this persons in a bad mood about something as it was actually a jovial thread. Hangover maybe? Besides which, as Jeremy Clarkson put it, an opinion is neither right nor wrong, its an opinion and simply that, As a paying customer we should be able to state our opinion on cosmetic sound changes, WCS, InstaÆs or anything else we feel is really hurting or would improve this excellent game. If we didnÆt comment as a customer, how different would this game be? If we did not challenge what would still be happening or not happening? Lets hope this isnÆt the start of an otherwise excellent forum into other less scrupulous MMO publishers way of thinkingà.. Sharing your opinion, just like you did, is quite different from what I have read today. It was mostly bashing and ranting of other peoples opinion. The difference is quite simple and subtle: "I think that sounds awful, you will probably die a horrible death if you do this" vs. "That sounds awful, you will die a horrible death if you do this" Spot the difference? _____________________________ I say hey sky, s'other say I won say, I pray to J I get the same ol' same ol.
Bhaal	Posted - 2005.06.21 11:21:00 - [14] Quote: "I think that sounds awful, you will probably die a horrible death if you do this" vs. "That sounds awful, you will die a horrible death if you do this" Spot the difference? Yes, there is a difference... However the EVE universe can be a harsh place, and if you are not up to the task, you die, sometimes repeatedly, by the same ppl, over and over again. I think the forums have a similar harsh atmosphere... No need to nerf forum PVP ------------------------------------------------ "for piece sakes!"
Oveur	Posted - 2005.06.21 11:23:00 - [15] Originally by: Bhaal Quote: "I think that sounds awful, you will probably die a horrible death if you do this" vs. "That sounds awful, you will die a horrible death if you do this" Spot the difference? Yes, there is a difference... However the EVE universe can be a harsh place, and if you are not up to the task, you die, sometimes repeatedly, by the same ppl, over and over again. I think the forums have a similar harsh atmosphere... No need to nerf forum PVP I can already see the banner ads. EVE Online - even the forums have PVP _____________________________ I say hey sky, s'other say I won say, I pray to J I get the same ol' same ol.
Christopher Scott	Posted - 2005.06.21 11:24:00 - [16] Edited by: Christopher Scott on 21/06/2005 11:24:50 Originally by: Oveur Spot the difference? Kind of like saying "We will deploy the patch on xx date" compared to "We are thinking of deploying the patch by xx date, but don't take our word for it." I kid, I kid.
Rodj Blake	Posted - 2005.06.21 11:26:00 - [17] Context is everything. On the in-character forums, you may think that your opinion is the only valid one, but I know that it's only my opinion which is valid. Over here though, there's usually valid points from all sides of the argument. Dolce et decorum est pro imperator mori
Bhaal	Posted - 2005.06.21 11:28:00 - [18] Edited by: Bhaal on 21/06/2005 11:29:18 Quote: I can already see the banner ads. EVE Online - even the forums have PVP I'm available for a marketing position, just call me, anytime, really... Even though I'm very modest, I can't think of a better forum warrior to help EVE sales, I'll get you those 24,000 simultaneous players, even if it means signing up for all the other MMO's and griefing the hell out of noobs in those games all the while sending subliminal messages on their forums in my rantings on how much their game sucks, and how the DEV's at CCP are the only ones on the planet who can make an MMO. I can do this... ------------------------------------------------ "for piece sakes!"
Jernau Gurgeh	Posted - 2005.06.21 11:31:00 - [19] Originally by: Bhaal Edited by: Bhaal on 21/06/2005 11:29:18 Quote: I can already see the banner ads. EVE Online - even the forums have PVP I'm available for a marketing position, just call me, anytime, really... Even though I'm very modest, I can't think of a better forum warrior to help EVE sales, I'll get you those 24,000 simultaneous players, even if it means signing up for all the other MMO's and griefing the hell out of noobs in those games all the while sending subliminal messages on their forums in my rantings on how much their game sucks, and how the DEV's at CCP are the only ones on the planet who can make an MMO. I can do this... Are you sure you haven't been doing this already for another game? There are 10 sorts of people in the world - those who understand binary, and those who do not.
Bhaal	Posted - 2005.06.21 11:34:00 - [20] Quote: Are you sure you haven't been doing this already for another game? SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! Don't blow my cover! EnB WILL live again dammit! ------------------------------------------------ "for piece sakes!"

fairimear	Posted - 2005.06.21 11:41:00 - [21] Edited by: fairimear on 21/06/2005 11:42:17 you all relise no one can win this argument. was it right or rong? all a matter of your own opinion i guess. how ironic. is this even a argument? once again a matter of your own opinion. this could go on forever but would't you all rather i stoped? once again all your own opinion. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world Domination.
Hawk Firestorm	Posted - 2005.06.21 11:48:00 - [22] Edited by: Hawk Firestorm on 21/06/2005 11:55:47 Overall personally I think CCP are all great guys though do have a tendancy to 'cop out' and take what appears to be the quickest solution rather than the best one perhaps, well from this side of the fence any rate. Kinda like a Programmers mentality, they just hate changin code. heh Sometimes it's just best to go back to the drawing board and come up with something more radical and better longterm, may involve more work but proves far better in the longrun. But then I'm a IT Eng, we hate all proggies and well proggies hate us. it's the status quo. :) Though I really do think you need to pay far more attention to the basic fundementals of the game than the candy floss so to speak, you guys can have a tendancy to get all worked up bout what colour your gonna paint your new shiney car before you've figured out how your gonna get the wheels on it. :) The biggest areas holding you back being overly simplistic non tactical combat, and the overall design of some areas of the gameplay which didn't really get sorted in beta, something I think that's apparent by the overall ingame active users base staying pretty stable over the years, if your going to make any headway I think your going to have to be creative and radical and overall combat and how it takes place in game, how ships are fitted and their roles and getting the game into proper balance, which still illudes you.
Hella May	Posted - 2005.06.21 11:50:00 - [23] The problems with opinions is simple: Everyone elses opinions are wrong. mine is right..... Let's get this straight, if a girl has to be "rescued" 10 times a week from a brothel shes not a damsel but a prostitute.
Monty Burns	Posted - 2005.06.21 11:58:00 - [24] I do indeed see the difference and I will be the first to admit that I can also be à. Erà. Rash to post. The only defence for people like this (myself included!) is that we do have a great passion for the game and as such, some decisions to us, donÆt seem to make sense. We (and this applies to all - depends what the post is about) tend to see some changes as ôfrivolousö or ôcosmeticö when we can see things in the same area that would take that same coder 20 minÆs to change (yes I do have a programming background) and would have a serious positive impact on playability. I know that Frivolous and cosmetic are very relative to the person posting but without going into examples this is kind of dead point. Obviously, this is not the place discuss examples as others would only turn it into a flame/rant, something almost all of us want to avoid. Maybe the reason I thought most of that thread was OK was because I tend to see the lighter side of life and understand that not everyone has a great command of English. Sadly, most non-English people have a better understanding of it than us Londoners!!!! How embarrassing is that! Init! In general the blogs are great! These do help clear up these issues and let us know you are aware/unaware of our thought, hopes and wishes. You guys also give us a good set of game ôdreamsö with your insights into the future. Laters! Darwin 4tw
Marianna	Posted - 2005.06.21 12:28:00 - [25] Democracy is a form of Government that is considered, Lawless. Check out a political science book from the library and do some research. I just love it when people use the word "Democracy" to describe their own perfect fairy tale world without fully understanding what they are saying. This game is owned by the DEV's. They can do what they want, and they have been doing an excellent job. They must have trained, Tune-out-the-noisy-whining-brats skill to level 5 by now. Or perhaps they created specialisation skills to add to the base level 5 modifier :) So in other words, quit the ranting and enjoy the game. no one is forcing you to pay the monthly subscription. Originally by: Grim Vandal like in a democracy? NO a democracy tries to please everyone ... may be fine in RL but no ... it would be a really big misstake if ccp would try to do so... its ccp's own right to choose the direction this game is heading to. think about the last vote we did... 50% was for and another 50% was against it... now ccp tries to satisfy all of us who voted YAY or NAY but in the end none of us will be satisfied ... im talking about local/map changes here... same thing happens with instas... ccp will change em ... but those ******* people who liked them wont like the change... and those people who hate them (like meh of course ) will for sure not get what we actually wanted... so again its going to be a half arsed change... so IMO CCP needs by all means to choose one RADICAL direction ... so this will either be the ULTIMATE PvP game or just another WoW copy...
hired goon	Posted - 2005.06.21 13:23:00 - [26] When delivering my opinions, I am the only objective person on the forums. I am fair, open-minded, handsome, and modest too. As for your opinions well, unfortunately everyone has the right to express theirs. No matter how wrong or absurd. ------------ We come in peace. And tanks.
Budmeister	Posted - 2005.06.21 13:27:00 - [27] Opinions are like Arses... everybody has one... some are bigger, some are smaller... but they are all fool of S**t!
James Lyrus	Posted - 2005.06.21 13:42:00 - [28] Everyone has an opinion on everything. And of those, about 5% will mouth off about how their pet peeve really sucks. Every now and then, you bump into one or two who are truely objective, but most are convinced that the rest of the world doesn't take account of their own special focus, and so they need to throw a tantrum to get their way. EVERY change you make, someone will hate. Probably more will like, but they'll rarely comment. So we rely on the game designers and developers to have a vision of how things should be, to listen to feedback, filter the totally biased viewpoints, and create a game that we like playing. A nice chap called Winston Churchill once said that the best argument against democracy is a 5 minute conversation with the 'average voter'. This has never been more so than in an MMORPG.
Blind Fear	Posted - 2005.06.21 14:41:00 - [29] I think you're all a bunch of goddamned idiots who demand stupid changes, occasionally get them, and then ***** about how the changes screwed stuff up, so you demand more stupid changes. I think you should all be gagged and beaten with a sock full of pennies.
Nicholai Pestot	Posted - 2005.06.21 14:49:00 - [30] 19:04 37:06:05 Forum Combat Blind Fear's Sock of Pennies strikes your opinion, scratching with ignorance for 0.7 points of damage 19:06 37:06:05 Forum Combat Blind Fear's Sock of Pennies strikes your opinion, wrecking with reasoned debate for 987 points of damage Certanly has potential.



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