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Eternum Praetorian
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
880
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Posted - 2013.01.11 19:46:00 -
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Those are decent stats and you look like you are having fun.
However.... This is not avocation for "PVP is alive and well" because your solo kills are just you moping up frigs in a neut Coercer. How else could those fights have ended? Would you expect to win against a Coercer (or other properly fitted destroyer) in a frigate? I would not. Would you?
How else could those fights have ended?
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Mizhir
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
2526
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Posted - 2013.01.11 19:51:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:Mizhir wrote:So all the efford you once put into training newbies like me to fly damp caracals against larger gangs were all in vain?
I had much respect for you, but all your negative posting has caused me to lose it. All if it. You probably didn't read the forums much back then because I have always spoke in negative in general discussion. I speak pleasant in the rookie section for people who need help (like the former you) and I post debate worthy trivia in out of pod experience. I even have a new and improved helpful signature for whoever bothers to click it. About those caracals... we got a couple of really good fights and it was fun while it lasted. But, that was an excersize in "team work in cheap ships" over expensive ships and null sec blobs. A blob of noobs in remote sensor dampening caracals burning away from a target lobbing missiles at 100km is far from 1v1 PVP. The two ideas are just not related.
No, but we did still take fights against stronger forces and expoiting our advantages to get a few kill. Exactly like solo pvpers do. If you are having Smurf problems I feel bad for you son I got 99 problems but a Blue aint one. |

Lexmana
884
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Posted - 2013.01.11 19:52:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:Those are decent stats and you look like you are having fun. However.... This is not avocation for "PVP is alive and well" because your solo kills are just you moping up frigs in a neut Coercer. How else could those fights have ended? Would you expect to win against a Coercer (or other properly fitted destroyer) in a frigate? I would not. Would you? If you check my losses you will see there are more than one fit there. Some are better than others though key is to pick the fight you think you can win with the fit you currently have. |

Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
1495
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Posted - 2013.01.11 19:52:00 -
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So OP points to 1 fight where 1 person got lucky somehow and wants to talk about solo PVP...oh riiiight, this is GD. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |

Pinaculus
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
202
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Posted - 2013.01.11 19:55:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote: Once you could warp to a belt in low sec and actually find a fight with confidence that there would be no cyno or local spike. It was like the exact mirror opposite to what you expect to happen now.
So no, I disagree, things have changed a great deal in EVE and PVP has not always been this way.
Oh, no doubt. Things have changed a lot. I just don't think they're as bad as you're saying. You used to warp to a belt in low-sec and find a relatively fair fight. Now you have to join FW and warp to a complex to do that.
But that isn't really my point. Solo PvP in EVE has always been something that happened in spite of the game mechanics rather than directly because of them. The game's designed around small gangs and large fleets. Any solo PvP you happen to find is a product of your own intelligence, persistence, and imagination. Having deep pockets helps too. I know sometimes it's difficult to realize just how much you spend on incidental things each month or year, but seriously, EVE is very cheap entertainment compared to most things... If you are a smoker, smoke one less pack a week and pay for EVE, with money left over to pick up a cheap bundle of flowers for the EVE widow upstairs. |

Eternum Praetorian
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
880
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Posted - 2013.01.11 19:57:00 -
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Mizhir wrote:
No, but we did still take fights against stronger forces and expoiting our advantages to get a few kill. Exactly like solo pvpers do.
We did and we did that well, but as a fleet. Not solo. Never solo. The stronger foes could never catch up with us and we out ranged them with our weapons. All we ever lost was tech I tacklers fitted with tech I mods. We killed allot of expensive ship and pulled the rug right out from under a many tech II gank fleets.
We achieved this because people had no idea what our caracals could do. We lured them in, made a kill and escaped. Essentially we duped our opponent into fighting on our terms and buggered off soon after.
The technique worked and it did what it was designed to do. But it was not solo PVP.
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Eternum Praetorian
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
880
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Posted - 2013.01.11 20:03:00 -
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Pinaculus wrote:Solo PvP in EVE has always been something that happened in spite of the game mechanics rather than directly because of them. The game's designed around small gangs and large fleets. Any solo PvP you happen to find is a product of your own intelligence, persistence, and imagination. Having deep pockets helps too.
Fair enough. I can go with that. But I think that there is enough of a desire in EVE that more solo PVP content would be appreciated.
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Seven Koskanaiken
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
116
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Posted - 2013.01.11 20:11:00 -
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Lol This ridiculous game Just Lol |

CausticS0da
Viziam Amarr Empire
157
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Posted - 2013.01.12 10:27:00 -
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Rats switching aggro in null is a brutal and - I would say - unforgivable nerf to solo pvp.
It's buffed the bot user and nul bear and makes it pretty much IMPOSSIBLE to go solo hunting for ratters. Even the old frig gang roams are massively gimped for this purpose.
CCP managed to remove one of the most fun activities in the game and swept it under the carpet without acknowledgement.
Solo isn't dead, but CCP is killing it with poorly thought out changes to gameplay. Unless CCP changes this aggression then solo ratter hunting - a massive part of the nul experience is dead. The game just got a lot less exciting.
It isn't even a buff to AI... As if rats would attack someone helping them before the main threat is gone? Worse AI, worse player experience... Well done CCP. |

Cannibal Kane
Chosen of New Eden
1231
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Posted - 2013.01.12 10:59:00 -
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98% of all my kills when I am alone is against morons. Even when the fleet I engage outnumbers me 8 to 1 i might get 2 or 3 kills before the rest bugger off.
And Eternum Praetorian o/ Long time no see.
"I saw him fight by the monument in Jita. -áHe flowed in his Machariel like a Shinto spirit, 800MM shells sprouting in his passing. -áHis hair flowed in the corona of his target's warp core breach. -áIt was truly majestic. -áAnd while everyone stared in awe I stole the loot and ran off.-áBecause I am like that." --áNEONOVUS |

Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce Brosefs.
107
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Posted - 2013.01.12 11:02:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Have you accounted for EM dealing Redeemers and your average run of the mill leadership bonuses?
If there is a 'run of the mill leadership bonus' then he wasn't a Solo PvPer.
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James Amril-Kesh
RAZOR Alliance
3250
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Posted - 2013.01.12 11:06:00 -
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lol at everyone in this thread who thinks solo pvp being alive and well means you would regularly see pilots going solo against superior ships in superior numbers with competent pilots and coming out on top anyway. Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm |

DrunkenNinja
Grim Determination Academy Nulli Tertius
95
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Posted - 2013.01.12 11:09:00 -
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You should try factional warfare :). |

RRNL
Armenian Noodle Dip
3
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Posted - 2013.01.12 11:17:00 -
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First: that reedeemer pilot is a noob, has a bridge mod fitted in a non bridgy blob gang Second: Black ops sux Third: PPL often forget that the BLOB is a JUNP SHIP meaning CRIPPLED by -70% CAPACITOR at jump in. Fourth: Ultimate proof black ops need to be looked at as in Crowd Sourcing results 07-2011 voted #2 |

rswfire
Fire Incorporated DRACONIAN COVENANT
5
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Posted - 2013.01.12 11:22:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:Because the forums are far less boring of course.
I thought it was a great post, and I agree with it.
I don't know why so many people have to get so defensive over another's opinion. I can only assume it's because you stated your argument so clearly that it indeed hit too close to home for them, and thus their egos created that ever so common knee-jerk reaction. But really, great post. +1 Fire Incorporated is recruiting. -áIf you're looking for a nice group of players, check us out. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=182994 |

Yolanta Geezenstack
GWA Corp Unified Church of the Unobligated
56
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Posted - 2013.01.12 11:24:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:So give us folks a break when we say "PVP is dead", because our idea of what PVP is, is not the same as yours. We would be happy with a place where we could 1v1 all day long in various ships without getting hot-dropped by capitals or guardians. A place where we could leroy a megathron into a small gang in a belt without a local spike of 20 entering system. We are interested in another form of "solo PVP" that seems to go beyond your meager desires for self elevation and disillusionment. We just want to have a little fun when we come home from work without having to wait so long, and fight actual opponents in the process. We don't want to take down entire BLOPs fleets, we just want some reasonable good fights with real pvp'ers.
Hm, so you have your idea how PVP should be. And now you complain that EVE doesn't have (anymore?) the kind of PVP ("THE REAL PVP") you want to have.
I am deeply sorry that EVE in it's current state doesn't fullfill your desires. |

Roime
Shiva Furnace
1596
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Posted - 2013.01.12 11:42:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:lol at everyone in this thread who thinks solo pvp being alive and well means you would regularly see pilots going solo against superior ships in superior numbers with competent pilots and coming out on top anyway.
I thought of writing an essay on how delusional OP's fantasies are, but you summarized the important parts.
Winning is a result of two non-exclusive conditions- you are superior (either experience, skills, equipment), or the other party makes a mistake.
So yeah, you can devalue every single kill (or any victory in history of mankind) by saying "but the loser was stupid, new and in a failfit and should have done X". Yes, every killmail in existence.
Shiva Furnace is recruiting! Small gang PVP in wormholes and lowsec. |

Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
371
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Posted - 2013.01.12 12:44:00 -
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ROXGenghis wrote:That's a really interesting point, so I did the math to confirm it. How could that Arby take 15,225 damage?
The Arby as set up has 11,569 hit points according to EFT, so we have 3656 unaccounted-for hit points on the killmail.
But we still haven't considered passive shield recharge, which can be significant over extended periods of time.
The fight lasted ~15 minutes, and EFT says the Arby's passive shield recharge is 4 DPS at a zero-resist profile. This multiplies out to 3600 hit points repaired by shields during the fight.
If you add the Arby's buffer to the shield recharge value, you get 15,169, well within the margin of error and actually eerily close to 15,225. However, EFT's number is for peak recharge, and the Arby was probably pretty far from peak recharge most of the time, making it unlikely that it tanked a full 3600 hit points from just passive shield recharge.
I'm left unsure of what to believe. Maybe someone can point to an error in my analysis, or an alternative explanation for the large-ish amount of damage taken by the Arby. That is probably the recharge @ 30% shields. At 0% it's far worse. I'd rather look into possibilities of armored warfare leadership bonus.
Also the thread where sides of that battle were posting about what happened kinda suggests that BLOPs pilots were alts of a single person. Can't tell anything about the rest.
Also tears about "overbuffed T1 cruisers" and "CCP catering to bloody noobs instead of favoring dedicated vets with balancing decisions like that" there were great. If all that was staged (KM, fight, forum tears), then I'm just taking off my hat, that was a lot of effort. |

Vilnius Zar
Ordo Ardish
590
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Posted - 2013.01.12 12:51:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:it means that it is now a hunt for the brain damage lol fail vegetables of this MMORPG
You have just fully explained EVE and how it has worked since 2003, in all its facets and playstyles. So nothing has changed much :) Amat victoria curam. Excellence in everything.
Some guides that may be useful to you: http://www.youtube.com/user/OrdoArdish |

Eternum Praetorian
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
887
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Posted - 2013.01.12 15:30:00 -
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Roime wrote:
I thought of writing an essay on how delusional OP's fantasies are, but you summarized the important parts.
Winning is a result of two non-exclusive conditions- you are superior (either experience, skills, equipment), or the other party makes a mistake.
So yeah, you can devalue every single kill (or any victory in history of mankind) by saying "but the loser was stupid, new and in a failfit and should have done X". Yes, every killmail in existence.
People like you don't seem to understand the difference between "I defeated an opponent because I was superior" and "I defeated a stupid and unworthy opponent because I was of moderate to average intelligence". 
One is a contest. The other is not.
So please write your essay.
Also 0/ Kane, still at it I see 
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killorbekilled TBE
Initiated
189
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Posted - 2013.01.12 15:49:00 -
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i would argue that there is a degree of luck when it comes to pvp 'rolling the dice' so to speak, and i feel that arby pilot had a lot to spare that day.
As for 'solo pvp' its alive, but on life support, getting bed bathed and having the odd visitor come and go checking to see if it is making any progress at all
:) |

Roime
Shiva Furnace
1606
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Posted - 2013.01.13 13:51:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:People like you don't seem to understand the difference between "I defeated an opponent because I was superior" and "I defeated a stupid and unworthy opponent because I was of moderate to average intelligence". 

You don't seem to understand that those both mean the exact same thing, and you are just distracted by relative descriptives and your personal messias-complex.
Shiva Furnace is recruiting! Small gang PVP in wormholes and lowsec. |

Eternum Praetorian
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
887
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Posted - 2013.01.13 14:17:00 -
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Roime wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:People like you don't seem to understand the difference between "I defeated an opponent because I was superior" and "I defeated a stupid and unworthy opponent because I was of moderate to average intelligence".   You don't seem to understand that those both mean the exact same thing, and you are just distracted by relative descriptives and your personal messias-complex.
So in your version of "reality" we can send an Olympic gold gold medalist into the special Olympics, and not only be entertained by the contest (in a manner that was not hilarity) but also be proud of the Olympian after he wipes the floor with them.
You don't seem to understand what the term "contest" means.
Still awaiting your essay.
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Roime
Shiva Furnace
1607
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Posted - 2013.01.13 14:42:00 -
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No, I'm saying that the Olympic gold medalist is superior to those special contesters, just like the winner among them would be.
How your scenario is relevant to EVE is still a mystery to us. However, it suggests that you consider yourself the only Olympic gold medalist among special contestants, and your mangled logic somehow implies that everyone else who sometimes wins is just average among special contestants, and this, through some obscure loops and leaps of prejudice, lack of thought and confusion somehow means that solo PVP is dead.
I tl,dred my essay:
Winning is a result of the winner being superior relative to the loser at the definitive moment of combat.
Whatever valuations you choose embed into the qualities of participants, or conditions of the combat are purely subjective, and only my argument holds true in every event. This is just a nice way of saying that your views and opinions don't necessarily reflect reality as much as you'd like.
Shiva Furnace is recruiting! Small gang PVP in wormholes and lowsec. |

Eternum Praetorian
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
888
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Posted - 2013.01.13 14:48:00 -
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Oh I see, so you do think that you can put an Olympian up against the kids in the special Olympics, that we would be entertained by watching that contest and that when the Olympian beats that boy with down-syndrome that makes the gold medalist his "better".
Amazing the kind of personalities you meet one these forums LOL. You sir have a very interesting and disturbing perspective on "reality".
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Lexmana
891
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Posted - 2013.01.13 15:13:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:Oh I see, so you do think that you can put an Olympian up against the kids in the special Olympics, that we would be entertained by watching that contest and that when the Olympian beats that boy with down-syndrome that makes the gold medalist his "better".
Amazing the kind of personalities you meet one these forums LOL. You sir have a very interesting and disturbing perspective on "reality". So you think reality is much different? People value fame, money and glory more than 'gudfites' all the time as evidenced by the recent Lance Armstrong doping scandal and the fact that people try to cheat in handicap sports to get the edge you need.
You have a too narrow view of 'contest' in the context of EVE. It is much like IRL where people will use whatever means they think they can get away with to reach their goal. The battle is not only fought on grid. Finding good targets (wether you like to fight morons, pve carebears or 'elite' loki boosted 'solo' pvprs in faction cruisers) is part of the contest. |

Eternum Praetorian
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
888
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Posted - 2013.01.13 15:16:00 -
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Why are you siting cheaters who are getting dropped by their name brands and persecuted as a measure of "contest"?
Here let me let me help you
^ contest. Fun to watch and fun to participate in.
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Felicity Love
STARKRAFT
164
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Posted - 2013.01.13 15:19:00 -
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RvB !
YMMV.

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Eternum Praetorian
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
888
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Posted - 2013.01.13 15:25:00 -
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Felicity Love wrote:RvB !YMMV. 
Before my vacation from EVE, RvB was frigate blobs and sitting in stations when the fight was not in their favor. Has something changed since then? 
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Lexmana
891
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Posted - 2013.01.13 15:25:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:Why are you siting cheaters who are getting dropped by their name brands and persecuted as a measure of "contest"? Here let me let me help you^ contest. Fun to watch and fun to participate in. There are games that facilitate even match making for 1v1 fights with strict rules to ensure a 'good fight'. EVE is not such a game. The 'contes' is much bigger than that and extends to many more layers of the game and meta-game. That is why I like EVE.
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