Originally by: Profess0r Mansechs0r

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they are going to laugh at you, then lock your thread.

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Originally by: Bhaal

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Edited by: Bhaal on 21/06/2005 17:02:38
Well, they added the inability to place items into the contents of cans that don't belong to you, they should just mirror that feature and not allow anyone to take from a can that is not theirs... (gang member/corp member)

What they should do is:

When you go to jet a can, you have a choice of either loot or ore.

If you choose ore, then anyone can add to it, and anyone can take from it.

If you choose loot, only you or your corpmates can add/remove from it.

You can't put ore in a loot can, but you can put anything you want in an ore can...

All other cans from NPC's & player kills act like loot cans...

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Originally by: Carl Jidona

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here is your answer to your question hopefully we can drop this topic afterward

Question
Why is it so easy to steal ore ?

Answer
The regular containers were designed to jettison unwanted items into space or to hold loot from blown up ships. They were designed so that any player could take from them because that was essential for them to function as they were intended. Players later invented the "container mining" method after noticing that the containers could hold way more than any cargo hold. This use for the containers was never intended and it has the obvious flaw that any player with a reduced sense of right and wrong can come by and take everything from the container and no one can do anything about it.

This risk should be known to all players and there will be no reimbursement for ore lost this way. Also, ore "theft" is not considered harassment so no punishment will be dealt out to those who choose to "steal". Players who are thinking of taking up a career as ore thiefs should note that they will face a lifetime of unpopularity and unhappiness as a result.

CCP has decided to meet players halfway by implementing secure containers that can be bought on the market and have the advantage of being equipped with a password lock. These containers cost money and do not hold the vast amount of ore that the regular containers do. However, with good organization and frequent ore pickups using Industrial ships, they can be very useful for large scale mining operations.

The bottom line is: If you use regular containers to store your ore you assume all the risk. Having your valuables floating in space in an unsecured container is equivalent to throwing money on the street. Should you lurk nearby and wait for someone to take the money and then attack him, the police would deal with you, not him. The same goes in Eve. If you attack a player who just took "your" ore from a regular container in a system with a security level of 0.5 or higher. You will be destroyed by Concord.
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Ladies and Gentlemen, you already got your fix, it was the secure can. It was due to shortsighted abuse of these cans by corporations that they were made unanchorable in highsec space. If you could not be trusted with a secure can, why should you be trusted with life and death power over unorthodox mineral acquisition agents?

On another note, this has been beaten to death in the general forums, its been overdiscussed to no avail in the crime and punishment forum, why are you sullying this forum with another thread filled with complaints and overzealous vigilante dreams?

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Originally by: Bhaal

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Edited by: Bhaal on 21/06/2005 18:02:49

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Requests for thieves to have an increased risk is mildly hypocritical when spoken by the lips of Empire(0.5+) miners and Empire(0.5+) agent runners, imho.

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If you stay in 0.5+ you give up a lot of risk, and even more reward...

If an ore thief stays in 0.5+, he has free riegn, and has NO risk...

For those who keep saying to use secure cans, I'd like to ask you politely to stop sticking your thumb in your ass and then sucking on it...

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Originally by: NanoRunner

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Man this irritates me to no end. Look you got a choice.

a) use secure cans.

b) dont and just use jet cans and risk being stolen from while increasing the benifit of trying to pull largert loads.

Stop whining about perfectly fine aspects of the game.

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Originally by: Rivian Deroh

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couldnt be bothered bout readin all the posts here, but did notice most people put up a rant on how you should use secure cans and blah blah blah, while it is not even the topic of this thread.

if you read tealeaf's post she clearly mentions theft of _loot_ and in specific mission related loot.

I agree bout all the jet can vs. secure can for mining and all that, but it sucks that peoplecome in after a mission and ripp your loot. why dont they use a sort of assigning method to tag loot cans after a mission, so only the person who acquired them in first place can open them ?

just an idea.

Riv

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Originally by: Trina Tron

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Originally by: TEALEAF

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when are ccp gonna do something about thieves. i cant count the ammount of times ive had mision critical loot or ore stolen whilst mining.
this is ruining peoples hard work and enjoyment of the game.does anyone have any non flame suggestions what is the best way to deal with this.
thanks.TEALEAF.

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Where do you mine/misson run ?

Mabey i could stop by and say hello.

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Originally by: Serpensis

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If only CCP could ban ppl for whining, this forum would be a lot better.

They are not going to ban oretheft, not even corptheft is against the rules. So get used to it, and quit whining.

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Originally by: Ryan Calvert

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This is about the 100th thread complaining about ore thieves. The same thing is said in every thread. Then eventually the local moderator locks thread due to repetative and pointless arguements. If u mine into an unsecured canister then u are opening urself up to be stolen from.

Solution:
- Move to dead-end system (out of a noob system)
- Use secure containers

Its just part of the game. There are solutions just not the easy one u want. -Blastem.

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Originally by: fghr

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Originally by: TEALEAF

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when are ccp gonna do something about thieves. i cant count the ammount of times ive had mision critical loot or ore stolen whilst mining.
this is ruining peoples hard work and enjoyment of the game.does anyone have any non flame suggestions what is the best way to deal with this.
thanks.TEALEAF.

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why dont you read the eula !! if you trow away your ore then your not that smart.And i dont feal sorry for you as a miner you aint got many problems in the world of eve so god forbid someone collect what you trow away etc etc

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Originally by: MooKids

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Originally by: TEALEAF

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FORGET ORE THIEVES..............
MISION CRITICAL LOOT IS SUBJECT.......
PLEASE COMMENT ON THIS...........
O N L Y !

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Hey, you started it.

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Originally by: Knukalz

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Yeh so anyway, go kill some more real ppl -you'll have more fun

This aint a flame mate - its some advice, player loot is so much more rewarding and if your suggestion was implmented my mates could not help pick up the loot after ive ganked ya - and that wud suck.

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Originally by: fghr

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Originally by: fghr

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Originally by: TEALEAF

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FORGET ORE THIEVES..............
MISION CRITICAL LOOT IS SUBJECT.......
PLEASE COMMENT ON THIS...........
O N L Y !

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dont care pick it up then when killed if you have to go get another ship to pick up loot aint nobody elses problem thats your problem and your risk you take dont complaqin if you leave containers hanging is space unclaimed

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and yet again read the eula

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Originally by: Sun Ra

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Kinda funny no ones worked out the person who started thsi thread is called TEA LEAF which is rhyming slang for THIEF

TEA LEAF - THIEF

GEDDIT????

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MOHAHAHAHAHA i was wondering when someone would notice that,but seriously mision critical loot theft is a real pain.......cant complete....petition etc

Originally by: Ryctor

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Originally by: TEALEAF

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people have been asking for loot asignment or taggin for ages.
dont you think its about time it was implimented for gods sake !

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No

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Originally by: Teblin

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Alright, guys, I've cleaned the last few pages of the thread up a bit.
Please keep on topic and keep the good ideas coming :).

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Originally by: Jedzias Miezekatze

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Ooooooooooh

ive seen a jcan in Sortet .-> mooooooove mooooooooove

like Carl Jidona said: they gave us giant ( yes giant ! ) secure containers

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