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Malcorian Vandsteidt Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 49	Posted - 2013.01.16 00:08:00 - [331] - Quote Liang Nuren wrote: Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote: Liang Nuren wrote: I always find it hilarious how armchair game developers try to tell everyone about their vision of how microtransactions and F2P work. -Liang Ed: Also, Eve is not P2W. Taken from wikkiapedia: Specifically this section: Quote: Free-to-play games that include a microtransaction model are sometimes referred to as "freemium",[1] although applications offering microtransactions should not be confused with free applications that offer additional features via subscription services. "Pay-to-win" is sometimes used as a derogatory term to refer to games where paying for in-game items can give the player an advantage over other players, particularly if the items cannot be obtained by free means, although in some games the model applies to to free items available to all players with time and effort, which can be attained instantaneously through microtransactions The objective with a free-to-play microtransaction model is to get more players into the game and provide desirable items or features that players can purchase if they are interested in them - it is hoped that in the long-term the profits from a microtransaction system will outweigh the profits from a one-time-purchase game. Items and features available by microtransaction can range from cosmetic (such as decorative character attire) to functional (such as weapons and items).[2] Some games allow players to acquire items that can be purchased through normal means, while others include items that can only be obtained through microtransaction. Eve is a Free to play game, as you can download it for free, buy a plex off the market, and never pay a dime to CCP in order to play. And since plex can be used to buy any item in game instantaneously once it is sold for ISK, Eve is by Definition PAY TO WIN. You fundamentally misunderstand the Free To Play industry. -Liang Our argument isnt about free to play however liang, its about pay to win. Thought I wouldn't catch you trying to switch up the debate subject on me eh?
Liang Nuren Heretic Army Heretic Nation 2643	Posted - 2013.01.16 00:11:00 - [332] - Quote Are you stupid? -Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
Liang Nuren Heretic Army Heretic Nation 2643	Posted - 2013.01.16 00:12:00 - [333] - Quote Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote: Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote: Eve is a Free to play game, as you can download it for free, buy a plex off the market, and never pay a dime to CCP in order to play. And since plex can be used to buy any item in game instantaneously once it is sold for ISK, Eve is by Definition PAY TO WIN. Our argument isnt about free to play however liang, its about pay to win. Thought I wouldn't catch you trying to switch up the debate subject on me eh? lulz Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
Malcorian Vandsteidt Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 49	Posted - 2013.01.16 00:13:00 - [334] - Quote Gizznitt Malikite wrote: Michael Harari wrote: Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote: Quote: From CCP's perspective, someone ALWAYS pays for your accounts with RL Money.... Nothing you accomplish in game changes that fact... hence, it is NOT free to play.... You need to google free to play Gaming Models. You will find EVE online is in fact on the free to play games list, and so is their business model. Except it isnt. Every plex in the game is money in CCPs wallet. Just because you arent paying real money to play doesnt mean someone isnt paying CCP for you http://www.ign.com/wikis/free-to-play-games/Free-to-Play_in_2012_(A-L) EvE online is not listed... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_free_massively_multiplayer_online_games EvE online is not listed... http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/01/29/eve-evolved-could-eve-online-go-free-to-play/ ^^ An Article on how EvE online is NOT Free to play.... I also said to look up gaming models for free to play. The one Eve online has is listed. Eve online is: Pay for sub unless: * You pay with ISK. Download is: Free with Trial. While it's true it doesn't meet the requirements as well as some of the other games do, Eve is still F2P, Perpetuum has the same Bussiness Model as Eve does (To the letter, Pay sub unless you can buy ICE with in game currency, ICE = Plex). And they Clearly state themselves as Free to play or they did when I played it. Both companies have the exact same business model, One chooses to call itself free to play One doesn't, it doesn't change what it is. Its the same as Murder, being stated as self defense. In either case, you still killed someone.
Astroniomix Thorn Project 352	Posted - 2013.01.16 00:13:00 - [335] - Quote Liang Nuren wrote: Are you stupid? -Liang Did you SEE that hurricane fit I linked earlier? Then on top of that did you see him try to defend it like it wasn't a total piece of crap?
Liang Nuren Heretic Army Heretic Nation 2643	Posted - 2013.01.16 00:14:00 - [336] - Quote Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote: Gizznitt Malikite wrote: Michael Harari wrote: Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote: Quote: From CCP's perspective, someone ALWAYS pays for your accounts with RL Money.... Nothing you accomplish in game changes that fact... hence, it is NOT free to play.... You need to google free to play Gaming Models. You will find EVE online is in fact on the free to play games list, and so is their business model. Except it isnt. Every plex in the game is money in CCPs wallet. Just because you arent paying real money to play doesnt mean someone isnt paying CCP for you http://www.ign.com/wikis/free-to-play-games/Free-to-Play_in_2012_(A-L) EvE online is not listed... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_free_massively_multiplayer_online_games EvE online is not listed... http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/01/29/eve-evolved-could-eve-online-go-free-to-play/ ^^ An Article on how EvE online is NOT Free to play.... I also said to look up gaming models for free to play. The one Eve online has is listed. Eve online is: Pay for sub unless: * You pay with ISK. Download is: Free with Trial. While it's true it doesn't meet the requirements as well as some of the other games do, Eve is still F2P, Perpetuum has the same Bussiness Model as Eve does (To the letter, Pay sub unless you can buy ICE with in game currency, ICE = Plex). And they Clearly state themselves as Free to play or they did when I played it. Both companies have the exact same business model, One chooses to call itself free to play One doesn't, it doesn't change what it is. Its the same as Murder, being stated as self defense. In either case, you still killed someone. Again, you fundamentally misunderstand the Free To Play industry. -Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
Malcorian Vandsteidt Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 49	Posted - 2013.01.16 00:15:00 - [337] - Quote Liang Nuren wrote: Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote: Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote: Eve is a Free to play game, as you can download it for free, buy a plex off the market, and never pay a dime to CCP in order to play. And since plex can be used to buy any item in game instantaneously once it is sold for ISK, Eve is by Definition PAY TO WIN. Our argument isnt about free to play however liang, its about pay to win. Thought I wouldn't catch you trying to switch up the debate subject on me eh? lulz I mentioned it was free to play yes, but our argument was not about free to play it was about PAY TO WIN.
Astroniomix Thorn Project 352	Posted - 2013.01.16 00:17:00 - [338] - Quote Liang Nuren wrote: Again, you fundamentally misunderstand the Free To Play industry. -Liang I still don't understand how this helps op prove his idea isn't terrible?
Malcorian Vandsteidt Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 49	Posted - 2013.01.16 00:18:00 - [339] - Quote Quote: Again, you fundamentally misunderstand the Free To Play industry. -Liang I understand the definition of free to play and their business models just fine. You all fail to realize this thread is about Skill remaps, Not pay 2 win, or free to play. And you all keep trolling off subject.
Liang Nuren Heretic Army Heretic Nation 2643	Posted - 2013.01.16 00:20:00 - [340] - Quote Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote: Liang Nuren wrote: Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote: Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote: Eve is a Free to play game, as you can download it for free, buy a plex off the market, and never pay a dime to CCP in order to play. And since plex can be used to buy any item in game instantaneously once it is sold for ISK, Eve is by Definition PAY TO WIN. Our argument isnt about free to play however liang, its about pay to win. Thought I wouldn't catch you trying to switch up the debate subject on me eh? lulz I mentioned it was free to play yes, but our argument was not about free to play it was about PAY TO WIN. Eve is not a free to play game. Eve is not a pay to win game. You fundamentally misunderstand both terms. -Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
Liang Nuren Heretic Army Heretic Nation 2643	Posted - 2013.01.16 00:20:00 - [341] - Quote Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote: Quote: Again, you fundamentally misunderstand the Free To Play industry. -Liang I understand the definition of free to play and their business models just fine. You all fail to realize this thread is about Skill remaps, Not pay 2 win, or free to play. And you all keep trolling off subject. So talk about skill remaps instead of P2W or F2P. Everything you've said about those topics so far is just flat wrong. -Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
Gizznitt Malikite Agony Unleashed Agony Empire 1677	Posted - 2013.01.16 00:21:00 - [342] - Quote Malcorian Vandsteidt This game isn't pay to win, and it's not free to play.... You fundamentally misunderstand both concepts... From CCP's perspective... someone ALWAYS pays RL Money for your game time... even if it didn't come out of your pocket... From the perspective of the general game economy... PLEX does NOT change the amount of isk or skillpoints or tangible assets in game. Any "advantages" gained by PLEX are zero-sum advantages. This is why PLEX is NOT pay-to-win.
Astroniomix Thorn Project 352	Posted - 2013.01.16 00:23:00 - [343] - Quote Liang Nuren wrote: Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote: Liang Nuren wrote: Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote: Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote: Eve is a Free to play game, as you can download it for free, buy a plex off the market, and never pay a dime to CCP in order to play. And since plex can be used to buy any item in game instantaneously once it is sold for ISK, Eve is by Definition PAY TO WIN. Our argument isnt about free to play however liang, its about pay to win. Thought I wouldn't catch you trying to switch up the debate subject on me eh? lulz I mentioned it was free to play yes, but our argument was not about free to play it was about PAY TO WIN. Eve is not a free to play game. Eve is not a pay to win game. You fundamentally misunderstand both terms. -Liang To help recap, op believes that owning things (even if you have no use for them) is "winning" eve.
Malcorian Vandsteidt Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 49	Posted - 2013.01.16 00:24:00 - [344] - Quote Astroniomix wrote: Liang Nuren wrote: Again, you fundamentally misunderstand the Free To Play industry. -Liang I still don't understand how this helps op prove his idea isn't terrible? Your opinion is that is is terrible. This does not mean that it in fact is, Other people think its a great Idea, Obviously, because the thread has over 200 Likes. And many people defending the idea of it against about 3-5 of the exact same people arguing against it. You 5 do represent the Eve Community. Nor do you represent CCP. As I've stated before this is a Sugesstion, and when someone give me : a 1. Logical or 2. Technical reason For why it should not be in game, which you can prove is not simply your "Opinion". Because honestly the only thing I see on this thread are illogical and irrelevant fears, and Opinions which have no grounds for dismissing it. On the other hand, Several people have posted several good reasons for why it should in fact be in game. Saying things like: * It will break the game * its unfair to new players * It would break balance * Etc Are not logical nor technical reasons. These are "opinions" and nothing more. Especially when just the opposite of those arguments has been proven repeatedly. By changes that have been implemented to the game in the past. And by the very fact that this system already Exists in Eve and has for years, and people use it every day. It simply is not "Public" and a dev must activate on your account.
Liang Nuren Heretic Army Heretic Nation 2643	Posted - 2013.01.16 00:28:00 - [345] - Quote You are aware that most of the likes in this thread are for people arguing against your proposition? -Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
Astroniomix Thorn Project 352	Posted - 2013.01.16 00:29:00 - [346] - Quote Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote: Astroniomix wrote: Liang Nuren wrote: Again, you fundamentally misunderstand the Free To Play industry. -Liang I still don't understand how this helps op prove his idea isn't terrible? Your opinion is that is is terrible. This does not mean that it in fact is, Other people think its a great Idea, Obviously, because the thread has over 200 Likes. And many people defending the idea of it against about 3-5 of the exact same people arguing against it. You 5 do represent the Eve Community. Nor do you represent CCP. As I've stated before this is a Sugesstion, and when someone give me : a 1. Logical or 2. Technical reason For why it should not be in game, which you can prove is not simply your "Opinion". Because honestly the only thing I see on this thread are illogical and irrelevant fears, and Opinions which have no grounds for dismissing it. On the other hand, Several people have posted several good reasons for why it should in fact be in game. Saying things like: * It will break the game * its unfair to new players * It would break balance * Etc Are not logical nor technical reasons. These are "opinions" and nothing more. Especially when just the opposite of those arguments has been proven repeatedly. By changes that have been implemented to the game in the past. And by the very fact that this system already Exists in Eve and has for years, and people use it every day. It simply is not "Public" and a dev must activate on your account. I've seen ONE dude defend this. And 190 of the 200 likes in this thread are liking people saying your idea (and you) are stupid. The sheer fact that you said "it will unbalance the game" is not a valid argument shows you are totaly hopless and should just biomass yourself and save us the trouble.
Malcorian Vandsteidt Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 49	Posted - 2013.01.16 00:32:00 - [347] - Quote Astroniomix wrote: Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote: Astroniomix wrote: Liang Nuren wrote: Again, you fundamentally misunderstand the Free To Play industry. -Liang I still don't understand how this helps op prove his idea isn't terrible? Your opinion is that is is terrible. This does not mean that it in fact is, Other people think its a great Idea, Obviously, because the thread has over 200 Likes. And many people defending the idea of it against about 3-5 of the exact same people arguing against it. You 5 do represent the Eve Community. Nor do you represent CCP. As I've stated before this is a Sugesstion, and when someone give me : a 1. Logical or 2. Technical reason For why it should not be in game, which you can prove is not simply your "Opinion". Because honestly the only thing I see on this thread are illogical and irrelevant fears, and Opinions which have no grounds for dismissing it. On the other hand, Several people have posted several good reasons for why it should in fact be in game. Saying things like: * It will break the game * its unfair to new players * It would break balance * Etc Are not logical nor technical reasons. These are "opinions" and nothing more. Especially when just the opposite of those arguments has been proven repeatedly. By changes that have been implemented to the game in the past. And by the very fact that this system already Exists in Eve and has for years, and people use it every day. It simply is not "Public" and a dev must activate on your account. I've seen ONE dude defend this. And 190 of the 200 likes in this thread are liking people saying your idea (and you) are stupid. The sheer fact that you said "it will unbalance the game" is not a valid argument shows you are totaly hopless and should just biomass yourself and save us the trouble. Funny, I have 44 likes alone from this thread... and that's just me. I think you math is way off. Cause I'm pretty sure 200 - 190 is not 44........ other people whoa re arguing for this have received likes also. When I look through your alls post very few if any of them have likes, But that's ok you'll go through the thread and like each others posts. I mean really post something valid worth discussing or stop trolling.
Gizznitt Malikite Agony Unleashed Agony Empire 1677	Posted - 2013.01.16 00:36:00 - [348] - Quote The OPs idea is bad.... A mechanic to redistribute skillpoints essentially removes the consequences of past decisions, and enables FOTM on an entirely new scale.... It doesn't matter if CCP changes the game and makes your old ships less effective. You've already benefited from the SP you have. That is what you got for your investment. At no point do the SP you have acquired now guarantee your current in-game expertise will still be relevant to your future endeavors. Since the creation of this game, CCP has been changing stats of ships, game mechanics, and more... That's how they keep the game going strong and alive, it's how they retain players. In a game with regular major expansions, things change... a lot!!! It's absolutely ridiculous that you think CCP should allow you to instantly respec your skillset just because they new changes encourage you to alter your playstyle. Your change essentially makes it so you can always redistribute skillpoints to maximize their potential. That means people with "more sp" to redistribute will ALWAYS have a significant advantage over new players with less skillpoints to redistribute, and it completely destroys the long-term advantages you get from investing your skillpoints into a focused path as opposed to a broad spectrum.
Liang Nuren Heretic Army Heretic Nation 2651	Posted - 2013.01.16 00:37:00 - [349] - Quote You know, the funny thing about this is that implementing ideas like yours would be devastating to the game as a whole. The last time CCP even appeared to flirt with (actual) P2W the game's subscription base (verifiably) dropped by 25%. -Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
Astroniomix Thorn Project 355	Posted - 2013.01.16 00:37:00 - [350] - Quote Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote: I mean really post something valid worth discussing or stop trolling. YOU brought up likes. And I'm sorry I didn't feel like sifting through 14 pages of your ******** drivel in order to find out how many likes you have recieved. Also it's fairly difficult to have a reasonable discussion when you claim that "it will un balance the game" isn't a reason to NOT do something.
Malcorian Vandsteidt Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 49	Posted - 2013.01.16 01:12:00 - [351] - Quote Astroniomix wrote: Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote: I mean really post something valid worth discussing or stop trolling. YOU brought up likes. And I'm sorry I didn't feel like sifting through 14 pages of your ******** drivel in order to find out how many likes you have recieved. Also it's fairly difficult to have a reasonable discussion when you claim that "it will un balance the game" isn't a reason to NOT do something. Actually I didint bring up F2p or P2W One of the people who didn't like the Idea said it would be a Pay to win idea because another poster said it should cost a plex. Then Mag and 2 others ran with Pay to win thing. Same with the free to play stuff except different people. Also even though my posts and Ideas, may seem stupid to you, and other may assume or claim that they will break the game.The fact is as I have said 6 times now: The Skill remap System is already in game. Let me repeat that The skill remap system is already in game. It has been for years. I simply want CCP to finally make it public. Instead of Dev/GM activated for players. Eve functions perfectly Fine and people use that remap thing daily. This is how I know all of the negative posts in this thread are full of Crap. Because if it was going to break the game it would have broke it a long time ago.
Liang Nuren Heretic Army Heretic Nation 2651	Posted - 2013.01.16 01:23:00 - [352] - Quote The distribution of SP from removed learning skills is hardly the same thing as being able to perpetually chase the FOTM every time CCP nerfs your favorite PWNMOBILE. -Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
Daichi Yamato Swamp Bucket Swamp Bucket Empire 497	Posted - 2013.01.16 01:35:00 - [353] - Quote Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote: As I've stated before this is a Sugesstion, and when someone give me : a 1. Logical or 2. Technical reason reasons have been given. u just seem to be in denial
Mara Pahrdi The Order of Anoyia 252	Posted - 2013.01.16 01:38:00 - [354] - Quote Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote: Astroniomix wrote: Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote: I mean really post something valid worth discussing or stop trolling. YOU brought up likes. And I'm sorry I didn't feel like sifting through 14 pages of your ******** drivel in order to find out how many likes you have recieved. Also it's fairly difficult to have a reasonable discussion when you claim that "it will un balance the game" isn't a reason to NOT do something. Actually I didint bring up F2p or P2W One of the people who didn't like the Idea said it would be a Pay to win idea because another poster said it should cost a plex. Then Mag and 2 others ran with Pay to win thing. Same with the free to play stuff except different people. Also even though my posts and Ideas, may seem stupid to you, and other may assume or claim that they will break the game.The fact is as I have said 6 times now: The Skill remap System is already in game. Let me repeat that The skill remap system is already in game. It has been for years. I simply want CCP to finally make it public. Instead of Dev/GM activated for players. Eve functions perfectly Fine and people use that remap thing daily. This is how I know all of the negative posts in this thread are full of Crap. Because if it was going to break the game it would have broke it a long time ago. Remove insurance.
Malcorian Vandsteidt Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 49	Posted - 2013.01.16 01:46:00 - [355] - Quote Liang Nuren wrote: The distribution of SP from removed learning skills is hardly the same thing as being able to perpetually chase the FOTM every time CCP nerfs your favorite PWNMOBILE. -Liang Most people do not fly a ship because it is the best, they fly a ship because they like it. I sure as hell don't fly the best ship. I fly the one I fly because I like the way it handles and it fits my playstyle. * You can put someoen in the best ship all you want but if they have no idea how to use it right they'll die in it just like they would die in any other. * There is never just 1 FOTM ship. There's usually 5-10. And most who fly them, don't fly them because they are FOTM. Your supposition is Illogical, and Irrational in the world of Eve. If this was World of Warcraft I would agree with you.
Astroniomix Thorn Project 355	Posted - 2013.01.16 01:50:00 - [356] - Quote Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote: Most people do not fly a ship because it is the best, they fly a ship because they like it. I sure as hell don't fly the best ship. I fly the one I fly because I like the way it handles and it fits my playstyle. Therefore your proposal is not needed. /thread.
Malcorian Vandsteidt Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 49	Posted - 2013.01.16 01:56:00 - [357] - Quote Astroniomix wrote: Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote: Most people do not fly a ship because it is the best, they fly a ship because they like it. I sure as hell don't fly the best ship. I fly the one I fly because I like the way it handles and it fits my playstyle. Therefore your proposal is not needed. /thread. My proposal does not deal soley with Nerfs and Game changes either. It also deals with: * New player opportunities and the Learning Curve * Unused skills which are years old. * Streamlining the skillsystem so it is less complicate. * Making Eve more about the game play, then about What You have trained and what you don't. Right now because of the limited structure of the Skill System, you get in Eve and your only focus is to "Train skills". I want to shift this focus from "Train Skills" to "Play Game". Allowing people to respec their skills lets them focus more on having Fun, then worrying about how they fapped up by training Mining when they figured out they wanted to pvp instead, and now have to worry about training basic pvp skills rather then simply transferring the SP and then going off to have fun while training other skills they need for pvp..
Astroniomix Thorn Project 356	Posted - 2013.01.16 01:58:00 - [358] - Quote Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote: Astroniomix wrote: Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote: Most people do not fly a ship because it is the best, they fly a ship because they like it. I sure as hell don't fly the best ship. I fly the one I fly because I like the way it handles and it fits my playstyle. Therefore your proposal is not needed. /thread. My proposal does not deal soley with Nerfs and Game changes either. It also deals with: * New player opportunities and the Learning Curve * Unused skills which are years old. * Streamlining the skillsystem so it is less complicated. * Making Eve more about the game play, then about What You have trained and what you don't. Right now because of the limited structure of the Skill System, you get in Eve and your only focus is to "Train skills". I want to shift this focus from "Train Skills" to "Play Game". Allowing people to respec their skills lets them focus more on having Fun, then worrying about how they fapped up by training Mining when they figured out they wanted to pvp instead, and now have to worry about training basic pvp skills rather then simply transferring the SP and then going off to have fun while training other skills they need for pvp.. A week old noob can pvp. Your proposal does not fix anything because there is no problem.
Liang Nuren Heretic Army Heretic Nation 2652	Posted - 2013.01.16 02:00:00 - [359] - Quote Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote: Your supposition is Illogical, and Irrational in the world of Eve. If this was World of Warcraft I would agree with you. To be perfectly Honest Eve is simply to "Big" to be effected anymore then on a negligible scale by FOTM unless CCP REALLY screws up on something. You cannot be serious. -Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
Malcorian Vandsteidt Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 49	Posted - 2013.01.16 02:10:00 - [360] - Quote Astroniomix wrote: Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote: Astroniomix wrote: Malcorian Vandsteidt wrote: Most people do not fly a ship because it is the best, they fly a ship because they like it. I sure as hell don't fly the best ship. I fly the one I fly because I like the way it handles and it fits my playstyle. Therefore your proposal is not needed. /thread. My proposal does not deal soley with Nerfs and Game changes either. It also deals with: * New player opportunities and the Learning Curve * Unused skills which are years old. * Streamlining the skillsystem so it is less complicated. * Making Eve more about the game play, then about What You have trained and what you don't. Right now because of the limited structure of the Skill System, you get in Eve and your only focus is to "Train skills". I want to shift this focus from "Train Skills" to "Play Game". Allowing people to respec their skills lets them focus more on having Fun, then worrying about how they fapped up by training Mining when they figured out they wanted to pvp instead, and now have to worry about training basic pvp skills rather then simply transferring the SP and then going off to have fun while training other skills they need for pvp.. A week old noob can pvp. Your proposal does not fix anything because there is no problem. A vast number of Noobs would disagree with you, especially those who have left the game after a week of playing specifically because skill system is so unforgiving.

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