Machriel says hi.

Machriel says hi.

I can think of several cruisers that would take him out...

So can I, but he said the snake is the best pirate bs out of all of them. The bhal for one hard counters him. And the mach also does everything the rattlesnake doesn't fare well against.

Ball only counters an active tank ship, If I fit to fight the Bahl its neuts are useless. However it being an armor and laser ship... Mine arnt.

He can turn off your neuts and hardeners. You aren't outneuting him. Ever. And then he gets to shoot into your gaping em resist hole.

If I fought the Ball I would use a tank similar to a Nighthawk Level 5 Mission tank, All passives and immune to neuts. And my cap would last a lot long then his with his lasers neuts, and everything else going. The Bahl eats cap like every amarr ship, its their weakness.

Hell even with active hardners (Invuls) I could simply buffer tank it with a slight passive regen and get shield that were 60,000 BASE (Which with a base that large slight passive is actually huge), making my EFHP about the size of a carrier in the 300,000 - 500,000 range). And still deal my DPS and neut him.


lots of possibilities with shield tanks my friend.

he might win, he might not, but like with the Machar, it would be an interesting and probably a very long fight.

I'd like to see a fit like that. Becauese you CAN get that out of a rattler, but you need to make some fairly epic sacrifices as well as turn yourself into a lumbering loot pinata to do it.

Knowing how to fit something is fully half the battle in pvp. :)

The definition of Pay to win is cut and dry, your opinion of what it SHOULD mean is irrelevant.

Pay to win means:

(Again): "Pay-to-win" is sometimes used as a derogatory term to refer to games where paying for in-game items can give the player an advantage over other players, particularly if the items cannot be obtained by free means.

taken from:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microtransaction


THAT is the definition. and by that definition, Plexes are in fact Pay to win items.

Point me to ANY item in game a Plex can get you, that you cannot get by normal game play.

I'll wait.

I remember that, I loved that cane. This one guy challenged me to a one on one, and I was killing him he couldn't even break my shield tank, then all his buddies warped in on me, took them all like 3 minuets to kill me.

They said they loved my fit and were going to use it, and complimented me on it... which was weird considering they just ganked me but meh....

Oh that's easy, The plex itself. :) Because they only are in game if people pay cash for them.

It's a terrible fit. Most assautl frigates hit harder than that thing and on top of that you have no prop mod AND you die gloriously to the first person with enough brain cells to put a neut on you. (even without a neut your tank is pretty bad)

You should fly it before you knock it. It may not work now since the pg and cpu nerf, but it was certain a great fit back then, It had a HUGE tank and 550 - 600+ DPS with my skills an implants.

That was actually a standard fit for many PvP fleet battles I flew in 0.0 also for Pandemic Legion, So yea, it was a good fit, you simply need to figure out why.

You can't buy a plex with a plex. Try again skippy.

You have to buy the Plex with cash for it to exist in the Eve market, which means if no one pays Cash for them, You can't buy them the free way.

You can get everything in Eve for free also, Just like in most games with RMT and microtransactions or Pay to Win, You can simply get them Faster by paying Cash for them. Which is what Buying a Plex lets you do, Get them Faster.

Because you can hero tank one dude for a few minutes and then fail to make any meaningful contrubution beyond that?

8 vs 1 is not good Odds. Stick 5 of those canes against those same 8 people, The canes will win.

You really do not understand fittings or fleet combat do you? (Serious question). The fact that I could go 1v1 with another BC (A harbinger I think), and win with very little damage to myself until his buddies hoped in to rescue him, should tell you its a good fit.

So you aren't actually gaining any advantage over someone who plays.

Is bought with real world money[/u], this is the only way to attain one. All Plexes in game were purchased with RL Money.

I can prove your fit isn't nearly as good as you think it is.

Well with all the recent nerfs to the Cane I'm sure you can. I'm pretty sure that fit wont even "fit" on a cane anymore because of said nerfs and the upcoming one will remove a highslot and several other subtle functions which will make the cane sub par to what it "was" when that one you linked was killed.

I mean really that kill was like a year ago.



Why do you think I fly a rattler these days?

This is where you went wrong. A player needs 0 real world money to attain a PLEX. They are available as ingame items in the free market. Yes, somebody paid CCP real world money so that the PLEX was created as ingame item, but that makes no difference to the buyer.

Secondly, you define winning as having ISK. Now you should realize that the person who can afford to pay for his subscription with ingame currency by buying PLEXes has already won the person who has to buy them from CCP with RL money.

The advantage you imagine is exactly the opposite. PLEX can't buy you an advantage over people who are already richer than you ingame, it does not open the doors of some Platinum Gear Store with special items.

Yes, somebody paid CCP real world money so that the PLEX was created as ingame item,

Going to quote you:



1. If that had not happened the plex would not be available in game, PERIOD. End of story.

2. I do not define winning as having ISK, everyone defines winning as something Individual, which is the point. A plex which is worth ISK allows you to accomplish your goals quicker and far easier then an individual who could not purchase them.

Which IS the point.

I tell you what.

We will both go in game, we will both start with 0 ISK and 0 Assets.



* The goal will be to make enough money to buy a Jump Freighter (Around 6 Billion ISK).



- I'll buy 6 billion ISK worth of Plex and sell them and buy the freighter within 20 minuets.


- How long will it take you to save up that much isk from 0, without buying a plex?



Pay to win.

How are you going to fly the freighter? You don't have the skill.

yes I do actually. But the goal said nothing about "flying" it. Simply to buy it.