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Darwin San Social Security Logistics and Administration 11	Posted - 2013.01.13 01:49:00 - [1] - Quote It is really difficult to start out as a new player in EVE, especially when there are so many possibilities to find out. At the same time, those possibilities can often take months of training, EACH. While I understand a pilot can learn a lot about flying different ships while training, isn't it more time saving (and at the same cost) to just buy a character off the bazaar? I did a little bit of calculation on my own: An account gains about 1.5m of SP every month for 1 month of subscription, which new players would probably have to pay cash for. To get the skills up so as to commandeer a cruiser/battlecruiser effectively, a pilot may need about 10m SP, that's about 6 months of training time. If a new player like me is going to pay real dollars for the 6 months worth of game time cost already, wouldn't it make sense to buy PLEX with cash, convert them into ISK and purchase a character from the bazaar and start playing/enjoying the game effectively RIGHT AWAY?
Wadaya Trailerpark Industries 5	Posted - 2013.01.13 01:56:00 - [2] - Quote Just because you buy a character that will save you 6 months of initial training times, you don't automatically get the 6 months of knowledge and wisdom that comes with actually playing the game for 6 months. Maybe you will be an exception, but most new chars who opt to buy a multimillion sp char from the character bazaar won't stick around long. When I started, there were people who had been here for 2-3 years longer than I was? Was I at a disadvantage? Of course not. Eve is what you make of it for yourself.
Vilnius Zar Ordo Ardish 602	Posted - 2013.01.13 02:03:00 - [3] - Quote EVE is about what you know, not your SP and unless you have some magical ability to soak up knowledge and experience instantly and without actually playing the game, you won't gain anything from buying a char with higher SP. You can do tons of stuff on lower sp just fine, pve, trading, exploration, pvp and many more things. Apart from that, it's a clear case of "easy come, easy go" so if you get a char easy which you didn't train up and didn't make the choices for it'll just feel wrong and you're much more likely to just give up. I've bought a few chars over the years but it always just feels wrong and I'd rather start anew with a char name&looks that I chose following a path that I liked. In fact, this being my new main is testament to that. I've also sold a bunch of chars over the years and let me tell you that an alarming high percentage of them now seem inactive in npc corp. In short; there is no "catching up" to do and you won't gain anything by "cheating" the system, stop whining and enjoy the game. Amat victoria curam. Excellence in everything. Some guides that may be useful to you: http://www.youtube.com/user/OrdoArdish
Merouk Baas 414	Posted - 2013.01.13 02:15:00 - [4] - Quote Buying a character is an option, but: - Paying a subscription with PLEX is more expensive than with credit card, esp 6-months at a time. - Character Bazaar sales aren't exactly cheap; a good character you're bidding against others. In addition, it costs a PLEX in transfer fees, so for low SP characters the prices are inflated. - Sometimes the Bazaar characters have a history of being hated by their old corp, crappy names, etc., you never actually know. My recommendation would be: play the game, do frigates and cruisers, take a few months to figure out what you want to do and how to get there. It's an MMO, 3-4 months is the average playing time. Fund yourself with 1 plex if you don't want to grind for cash (CCP has made it very easy to get cash though - the tutorials give you 10 mil, mining is easy, etc). Then if you're still set on continuing with the game, you can consider buying an advanced character. F.EX carrier pilot or advanced industry pilot etc. - multi-year characters so you don't get overpriced. By then you should be in a corp or alliance and you'll see whether they need you to have carriers etc.
Darwin San Social Security Logistics and Administration 11	Posted - 2013.01.13 02:38:00 - [5] - Quote what i know about this game is out of sync with the rate of which the SP accumulates.
Valentine Arkanian Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 6	Posted - 2013.01.13 02:48:00 - [6] - Quote Darwin San wrote: If a new player like me is going to pay real dollars for the 6 months worth of game time cost already, wouldn't it make sense to buy PLEX with cash, convert them into ISK and purchase a character from the bazaar and start playing/enjoying the game effectively RIGHT AWAY? I'm 12 days old and I think I'm playing effectively. I guess it depends on what you want to do right away though. You can do missions at your skill level, join a new player friendly corp, and get involved in PvP pretty early. I strongly disagree that being able to fly a battlecruiser has anything to do with how effective a player is. EVE Gating \| Life in New Eden
Merouk Baas 415	Posted - 2013.01.13 03:12:00 - [7] - Quote The option is yours; feel free to, people are buying and selling all the time. Now you know the caveats, so hopefully you'll get the character you want for a good price.
Darwin San Social Security Logistics and Administration 11	Posted - 2013.01.13 03:22:00 - [8] - Quote Valentine Arkanian wrote: I'm 12 days old and I think I'm playing effectively. I guess it depends on what you want to do right away though. You can do missions at your skill level, join a new player friendly corp, and get involved in PvP pretty early. I strongly disagree that being able to fly a battlecruiser has anything to do with how effective a player is. battlecruiser actually takes relatively much shorter amount of time to train to, esepcially, when comparing with logistics.
Varius Xeral Galactic Trade Syndicate 301	Posted - 2013.01.13 04:36:00 - [9] - Quote Actual player skill and experience combined with developing connections and relationships with other players are what allow you to succeed in Eve. That said, it's your money and your game, so if you think getting right into stuff faster will be more fun for you, then go nuts. It won't,, however, make you a better player or "save you money" in the long run (or whatever it is you're trying to get at there).
NightCrawler 85 Phoibe Enterprises Project Wildfire 233	Posted - 2013.01.13 04:39:00 - [10] - Quote You also have too remember that when you buy a character you dont just get the SP. You also gets the characters reputation,and employment history. Granted if you buy a character and it has a bad reputation you can just explain to the recruiter that you did infact buy the character, and it can easely be checked. But i can tell you that for atleast my self i am very casius with accepting any player that has bought a character. As others here have stated starting your own and actually training it, gaining the knowledge along the way and the oppertunety to train yoru character the way YOU want it means more for many people then just the bragging rights over what "uber" ships their character can fly (just because you have the skills it dosent mean you can actually fly the thing). And ofc,its a sense of pride knowing that YOU trained the character from day one,you brought the character to were it is and no one else got to dictate what you wanted to do/can do. So bottom line..just looking for a cheap alt that can do some industry,or has some decent market skills,sure i can see why it could be beneficial to buy it. But if its your first character and will be your main,i would vote against it.
Fractal Muse Dead's Prostitutes Test Friends Please Ignore 197	Posted - 2013.01.13 07:38:00 - [11] - Quote I am going to pretend that this was a real post by a real newbie and not an alt post by someone who sells characters on the bazaar. EVE is about the experience and not the skill points. When I first started playing ages ago, I created an account and I got caught up in the whole I wouldn't ever catch up to those players who'd been playing for a year! Yep, it was that long ago. I allowed myself to get so distracted by it that I quit the game. A few years later I was talking to some folk on a forum for another game and the subject of EVE came up. This time, my mind was in a better place, and I realized that you -can- catch up to more time-invested players by virtue of specialization. So, I subscribed once more and I haven't looked back. I wish I could remember my original account details though. :) To the OP, sure, a newbie could buy a character but it won't do them much good. They'll have a ton of skill points that they won't be able to use effectively or know how to use it. The way the skill points work gives new players time to acclimatize to the game and get used to things. They can learn things, try things out, and die.. a lot. No worries! At some point, a player will have enough knowledge to be able to effectively use a different character. At that time, it might be worthwhile to purchase a character off of the bazaar. For any new player thinking about doing this my advice is simple: don't. Wait until you are totally comfortable with the game and know what you enjoy. If you find that, at that point, your character isn't sufficient for your desires then think about getting a new character. But, be aware that characters in the character bazaar are expensive for what you get. Most of the time they are really bad deals. The people selling characters are doing it for a profit (understandably so) so it is more beneficial to the seller.
Tau Cabalander Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs 1472	Posted - 2013.01.13 08:43:00 - [12] - Quote The Reality - the two characters I didn't create are the ones I'm least attached to. I really dislike the names. I've been working on their skills for about a year (84m sp, 50m sp), but still am not satisfied with them.
Andres Talas Occupational Hazzard Get Off My Lawn 56	Posted - 2013.01.13 09:03:00 - [13] - Quote Recently, I was chatting to my corp's senior PvP pilot about a terribly bad pilot in our corp. He's been in corp longer than I had, and I was asking why he was so bad at PvP. Our senior PvP pilot said 'You know he bought his toon, right ?', and it all fell into place. Dont buy toons until you know what you're doing. Its leads to being That Guy who loses 6 billion worth of jump freighter. Twice. Cruisers and frigates just had the ever-loving hell buffed out of them. If you're a noob, be very very happy that the ships you can now fly make you terrifying.
Haedonism Bot Revolutionary Front New Creation Collective 140	Posted - 2013.01.13 10:07:00 - [14] - Quote More SP doesn't translate to more fun, either. Some of the most fun ships to fly in the game are the T1 frigates. I've been playing for two years now, and I still fly my Merlin more often than any other ship. If you buy a character, best to buy it for a specific purpose that you don't want to train in your main character, not just because you want to get into a battlecruiser faster. Join the Revolutionary Front and liberate New Eden from it's stuff.
Randolph Rothstein whatever corp. 315	Posted - 2013.01.13 10:26:00 - [15] - Quote lol ofc buying already delveloped char is better and heres is why its true that you nees experience etc.,but why getting experience on low SP char when you can start getting exp on high SP one?if i start fresh char to learn pvp or whatever and you buy one with already 100M SP on it form start we will be same noobs - after 6 months we will have the same knowledge of the game and the difference will be that my char will have like 9 milion SP while yours will have 109 milion SP tl,dr if you can afford it buy a char with SP on it , you can learn the game the same way you would if you started fresh - that is if you dont care about stupid stuff like name or emotional atachments
J'Poll Kings of the Underground Side Effect. 1832	Posted - 2013.01.13 10:39:00 - [16] - Quote Darwin San wrote: It is really difficult to start out as a new player in EVE, especially when there are so many possibilities to find out. At the same time, those possibilities can often take months of training, EACH. While I understand a pilot can learn a lot about flying different ships while training, isn't it more time saving (and at the same cost) to just buy a character off the bazaar? I did a little bit of calculation on my own: An account gains about 1.5m of SP every month for 1 month of subscription, which new players would probably have to pay cash for. To get the skills up so as to commandeer a cruiser/battlecruiser effectively, a pilot may need about 10m SP, that's about 6 months of training time. If a new player like me is going to pay real dollars for the 6 months worth of game time cost already, wouldn't it make sense to buy PLEX with cash, convert them into ISK and purchase a character from the bazaar and start playing/enjoying the game effectively RIGHT AWAY? And then loose expensive ships you shouldn't be flying yet. Cause EVE progressions is good in such way that you Learn about game mechanics and how to use stuff while training for them. Buying your character doesn't make you learn everything instantly. So please, go ahead and buy that character, leave his name here so we can see the juicy loss mails Buddy invite offer Corporation Recruitment
J'Poll Kings of the Underground Side Effect. 1832	Posted - 2013.01.13 10:44:00 - [17] - Quote NightCrawler 85 wrote: You also have too remember that when you buy a character you dont just get the SP. You also gets the characters reputation,and employment history. Granted if you buy a character and it has a bad reputation you can just explain to the recruiter that you did infact buy the character, and it can easely be checked. But i can tell you that for atleast my self i am very casius with accepting any player that has bought a character. I will NEVER accept: * A character that has a very shady history. * A veteran character bought by a lazy newb. Buddy invite offer Corporation Recruitment
J'Poll Kings of the Underground Side Effect. 1832	Posted - 2013.01.13 10:49:00 - [18] - Quote Randolph Rothstein wrote: lol ofc buying already delveloped char is better and heres is why its true that you nees experience etc.,but why getting experience on low SP char when you can start getting exp on high SP one?if i start fresh char to learn pvp or whatever and you buy one with already 100M SP on it form start we will be same noobs - after 6 months we will have the same knowledge of the game and the difference will be that my char will have like 9 milion SP while yours will have 109 milion SP tl,dr if you can afford it buy a char with SP on it , you can learn the game the same way you would if you started fresh - that is if you dont care about stupid stuff like name or emotional atachments And if you die, you have to upgrade your clone for a whole 9 mil SP. If the OP dies, it's a 109 mil SP clone. Given that you are at the same age, you likely have also go similar income. Buddy invite offer Corporation Recruitment
Randolph Rothstein whatever corp. 315	Posted - 2013.01.13 10:56:00 - [19] - Quote J'Poll wrote: Randolph Rothstein wrote: lol ofc buying already delveloped char is better and heres is why its true that you nees experience etc.,but why getting experience on low SP char when you can start getting exp on high SP one?if i start fresh char to learn pvp or whatever and you buy one with already 100M SP on it form start we will be same noobs - after 6 months we will have the same knowledge of the game and the difference will be that my char will have like 9 milion SP while yours will have 109 milion SP tl,dr if you can afford it buy a char with SP on it , you can learn the game the same way you would if you started fresh - that is if you dont care about stupid stuff like name or emotional atachments And if you die, you have to upgrade your clone for a whole 9 mil SP. If the OP dies, it's a 109 mil SP clone. Given that you are at the same age, you likely have also go similar income. if you have money to buy 100M sp char i doubt clone will be much of a problem amirite? thats why i said if you can afford it theres no reason not to
Lost Greybeard Drunken Yordles 226	Posted - 2013.01.13 13:02:00 - [20] - Quote Economical and time saving are, it should be noted, the precise logical opposite of the point of playing an MMO. Smart, I guess you could give or take depending on the game in question. The point of a subscription game is to spend your free time messing around and not doing anything actually productive. At best, it's a time sink and an opportunity cost. And, y'know, hopefully fun, which it probably won't be if your character isn't the result of your own efforts.
Minmatar Citizen160812 The LGBT Last Supper 119	Posted - 2013.01.14 00:27:00 - [21] - Quote If your main goal is to maximize isk/hr in high sec mission farms then yes just buy a "X" pilot from the bazaar. You'll be able to have the lvl80 ships in a day. When you get bored of farming red plus signs sell it and get a mackinaw pilot to farm rocks. That way you don't have to wait to reach the end game content for high sec.
Utsen Dari Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy 70	Posted - 2013.01.14 22:26:00 - [22] - Quote Also, keep in mind that some player-run organizations may take a dim view of characters attempting to join them who have a record of being sold in the past. Tends to make a character look more shady, whether they are actually shady or not. You may find some doors closed to you if you've purchased a character to be your main character.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 7020	Posted - 2013.01.15 14:13:00 - [23] - Quote Darwin San wrote: Valentine Arkanian wrote: I'm 12 days old and I think I'm playing effectively. I guess it depends on what you want to do right away though. You can do missions at your skill level, join a new player friendly corp, and get involved in PvP pretty early. I strongly disagree that being able to fly a battlecruiser has anything to do with how effective a player is. battlecruiser actually takes relatively much shorter amount of time to train to, esepcially, when comparing with logistics. You could be in a T1 logistics cruiser within 12 days, I reckon. Certainly a Logi frigate. Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread
Sin Pew Dakini Rising The Kali Cartel 183	Posted - 2013.01.15 16:23:00 - [24] - Quote Darwin San wrote: If a new player like me is going to pay real dollars for the 6 months worth of game time cost already, wouldn't it make sense to buy PLEX with cash, convert them into ISK and purchase a character from the bazaar and start playing/enjoying the game effectively RIGHT AWAY? That doesn't grant you 6 free months of game time, you still have to pay so you instead pay double for the same thing and then, you start with a character that can do everything, but you have no ship, no mods, no standings, no friends and to actually get into those shiny ships you'll need to pay again because being able to fly battleships... doesn't help if your single asset is a rookie ship and an empty wallet. So yeah, it does make sense if you have bucket loads of cash to pour into the game. It's not big spanking news and many before you thought the same before ragequitting. So: Economical? definitely not. Smart? neither, see 1-¦. Time saving? maybe, granted that the buyer has an idea what they're doing. "haiku are easy, But sometimes they don't make sense, Refrigerator."
Alex Grison Grison Interstellar 27	Posted - 2013.01.15 16:28:00 - [25] - Quote EVE Is not pay to win. it is pay to lose more.
Kezn Tzestu Krannon of Sherwood Carthage Empires 0	Posted - 2013.01.15 16:41:00 - [26] - Quote I am only 9 days old and a easy way to get isk is joining a corp, tag along with someone doing lvl4 missions and ask if they salvage themselves, if they dont, just run in after them and salvage after they have killed everything. Many corps have BPO's to make stuff out of the salvage as well that they give out cheap if not for free to members. If ur not into salvaging u can just tag along on high lvl missions and get isk that way.
Valentine Arkanian Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 11	Posted - 2013.01.15 17:08:00 - [27] - Quote Malcanis wrote: Darwin San wrote: Valentine Arkanian wrote: I'm 12 days old and I think I'm playing effectively. I guess it depends on what you want to do right away though. You can do missions at your skill level, join a new player friendly corp, and get involved in PvP pretty early. I strongly disagree that being able to fly a battlecruiser has anything to do with how effective a player is. battlecruiser actually takes relatively much shorter amount of time to train to, esepcially, when comparing with logistics. You could be in a T1 logistics cruiser within 12 days, I reckon. Certainly a Logi frigate. Sure, but can you fit it effectively? Do you have the skills for an effective module fit? A shiny new cruiser doesn't mean a heck of a lot if you can't do what you're supposed to do with it, and just have the prereqs isn't enough. It's going to take me nine more days (with +3 implants) just to get Electronics and Engineering to a 5, and that's not including Weapons Upgrades. EVE Gating \| Life in New Eden
Davith en Divalone Aegis Coalition Logistics The Paganism Alliance 34	Posted - 2013.01.15 17:17:00 - [28] - Quote Just my three opinions as a learning player: 1. So far, I've found very little in the game that I couldn't do with only a few days of training time, especially with Retribution changes to frigates and destroyers. Granted, someone with more months training can do it more effectively, efficiently and profitably, but I'm more interested in figuring out the limits of my character in the current ships than hitting a god mode of easy PLEX. 2. I've also found a big difference between knowing how game mechanics work, and how to put them into practice with larger, more expensive, slower, and less agile ships and weapon systems. 3. There are corps that live for ganking expensive ships with cheaper ones, and expensive fits with cheap fits. Skill points don't give you tactical superiority.
Tau Cabalander Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs 1481	Posted - 2013.01.15 19:07:00 - [29] - Quote The day I got my first battleship was a memorable one. I had built it myself, and it waited in my hangar until the day I could finally pilot it. The next day I lost that battleship. i realized that happened because it took a lot of different tactics / strategy / etc. than the battlecruiser I had mastered. It had nothing to do with skill points.
J'Poll KIngs of the Underground Side Effect. 1838	Posted - 2013.01.15 22:40:00 - [30] - Quote Sin Pew wrote: That doesn't grant you 6 free months of game time, you still have to pay so you instead pay double for the same thing and then, you start with a character that can do everything, but you have no ship, no mods, no standings, no friends and to actually get into those shiny ships you'll need to pay again because being able to fly battleships... doesn't help if your single asset is a rookie ship and an empty wallet. So yeah, it does make sense if you have bucket loads of cash to pour into the game. It's not big spanking news and many before you thought the same before ragequitting. So: Economical? definitely not. Smart? neither, see 1-¦. Time saving? maybe, granted that the buyer has an idea what they're doing. That. Most characters are sold blank. This means: 0.01 ISK in wallet No kill rights Usually no standings / no sec status NO ASSETS. So wow, you have bought a character for a couple of bil ISK, now you have to buy more PLEX to sell for ISK so you can buy that big ships. And then you have to buy even more PLEX to add game time. Hmmz let's see: * Pay PLEX once and train your own character. * Pay PLEX 3 times to have a pre trained one. Which is more economical....... Buddy invite offer Corporation Recruitment

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