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infused	Posted - 2005.06.23 06:48:00 - [1] Edited by: infused on 23/06/2005 06:57:18 Well I just entered a complex I have been in many times... 1a 4/10 Complex in .4 space. I was in a Maller. I get insta locked by 30+ rats and half armor before it even displays the space. So I die, my corp mate comes in and gets ganked too... Can I pention this? I have done this complex many times and never had this happen... This has to be bugged and I hope I get a good repsonce... (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination.
Typherin laidai	Posted - 2005.06.23 07:12:00 - [2] Well you can petition.. they can only say no. Im not entirely sure if the complex rats are random or set as a base spawn. If they are randomised then no... you wont get your ship back. I seem to remember seeing a post a while ago of something like this.. I dont think it ended well for the person involved Originally by: Eris Discordia gives Typherin some loving
infused	Posted - 2005.06.23 07:37:00 - [3] Edited by: infused on 23/06/2005 07:46:07 Edited by: infused on 23/06/2005 07:45:52 Edited by: infused on 23/06/2005 07:45:36 I don't see how they can deny it. It was a 4/10 complex, yet it was pumping out the damage of fleet combat. Even the towers were firing on me. I warped in like 7km away from 30 rats... It's just stupid. This really, really anoyed me. Screenshot. http://img20.echo.cx/img20/1439/eve6mq.jpg (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination.
Aeon Yakati	Posted - 2005.06.23 09:20:00 - [4] Was this shortly after downtime or later? It 's a possibility someone else had been there before you, drawn aggro from all and then left again, leaving the npc's near the warp-in point.
infused	Posted - 2005.06.23 10:30:00 - [5] Originally by: Aeon Yakati Was this shortly after downtime or later? It 's a possibility someone else had been there before you, drawn aggro from all and then left again, leaving the npc's near the warp-in point. That's stupid though. Now no one can do it. Complexes should be like WoW's instances. They should be created in parallel so no one can interfere with them. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination.
Rafein	Posted - 2005.06.23 10:48:00 - [6] Originally by: infused That's stupid though. Now no one can do it. Complexes should be like WoW's instances. They should be created in parallel so no one can interfere with them. But that defeats the purpose of havig them in .4 space, where pirates can attack
Typherin laidai	Posted - 2005.06.23 10:54:00 - [7] Originally by: Rafein Originally by: infused That's stupid though. Now no one can do it. Complexes should be like WoW's instances. They should be created in parallel so no one can interfere with them. But that defeats the purpose of havig them in .4 space, where pirates can attack yeah or there would be no point in me entering complexes Originally by: Eris Discordia gives Typherin some loving
Akaviri	Posted - 2005.06.23 10:58:00 - [8] Originally by: infused That's stupid though. Now no one can do it. Hmm.. maybe some mean pirate lured all the npc ships to the warp in point on purpose? ````````````` _ \|\_ ````````````` \` oo\ ````````_____/ =__Y= `````` /` `````` ) `_``` / ` , ``` \/\_.(\_/) ((____\| `` )_--\ \_-`(x.x) `------'`------` `--` (> <) Kitty pwns Bunny!
infused	Posted - 2005.06.23 11:35:00 - [9] I think i'd seriously consider leavig EVE for this. I know it may only seem like a small problem to some of you, but. When I have done a complex 10 times before, I don't expect this to happen. This to me is a bug. It means Complex were not designed properly. I lost a Maller of 10m and a setup of good gear worth over 10m as well. I'm not going back to main roids or whatever for something that was not my fault. The only reason i'm saying this before the pention results is that I have heard that GM's will not refund for such a thing. That to me would kill my whole gaming experience with EVE. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination.
Ninna	Posted - 2005.06.23 11:41:00 - [10] Originally by: infused I think i'd seriously consider leavig EVE for this. I know it may only seem like a small problem to some of you, but. When I have done a complex 10 times before, I don't expect this to happen. This to me is a bug. It means Complex were not designed properly. I lost a Maller of 10m and a setup of good gear worth over 10m as well. I'm not going back to main roids or whatever for something that was not my fault. The only reason i'm saying this before the pention results is that I have heard that GM's will not refund for such a thing. That to me would kill my whole gaming experience with EVE. I wish every mission and complex in Eve changed a little from time to time. Would make it more fun that way. Doing the same missions/complexes all day long that look excactly the same each time is beginning to look a lot like singleplayer of Eve.
Typherin laidai	Posted - 2005.06.23 11:55:00 - [11] If your prepared to quit a game because you lost a ship to NPC's then thats your decision... crappy things happen to everyone m8... ive sat in roid belts in heavily battered to hell cruisers after a fight only to have an NPC spawn on top of me and crush my little Arbitrator .. which i didn't find very funny at all... but thats part of the game and u have to deal with it and move on Petition it... you have nothing to lose. and even if its not answered just go back there and run it again,,, if youve done it 10 times you can surely afford a new Maller. You will lose ships in this game... its not risk free. And not meaning to be harsh but if losing a ship is going to upset you to the point of threatening to quit then prehaps you should... though id say dont , Eve is a great game.. but look at it the right way,,, its a game . Ive been playing over year... but atm the average 1 month old player probably has more isk than me lol.. but nevermind if you have fun who cares. Originally by: Eris Discordia gives Typherin some loving
Dionysus Davinci	Posted - 2005.06.23 12:35:00 - [12] I have done the 4/10's alone, in a Brutix no less
Typherin laidai	Posted - 2005.06.23 12:40:00 - [13] Originally by: Dionysus Davinci I have done the 4/10's alone, in a Brutix no less /me whispers he did it in a maller... he's just upset that they uber pwnd him on the 11th attempt Originally by: Eris Discordia gives Typherin some loving
Skeeve	Posted - 2005.06.23 12:49:00 - [14] Edited by: Skeeve on 23/06/2005 12:50:10 Maller $9+ mil isk.. Good named Weapon / Mod loadout 8+ mil isk... Good list of 4/10 complexes *market price Expression on INfused's face when the 4/10 spawn bumrapes his Maller in under 10 seconds.. = PRICELESS... sry.. couldn't resist... Your chances of getting back your ship are pretty much nil.. most of us have lost ships due to fecky game mechanics and many of us don't even bother to report an issue any more.. the response from the powers that be is .. shall we say.. less than "stellar"? "SHOW US YOUR HOOTERS!" - traditional greeting at the Annual Owl Fanciers Convention
Dionysus Davinci	Posted - 2005.06.23 12:52:00 - [15] Originally by: Akaviri Hmm.. maybe some mean pirate lured all the npc ships to the warp in point on purpose? Or simply someone that tried to run it before hand stayed at the warp in point tanking but either ran away or blew up.
Vernichtungsengel	Posted - 2005.06.23 12:55:00 - [16] my other char got podkilled by NPC's before, gowd knows how, but it was backin the day when u took splash damage from torps/explosions so that may have been the reason. Vernichtungsengel - 'Angel Of Death'
Corvus Dove	Posted - 2005.06.23 13:31:00 - [17] Originally by: infused I think i'd seriously consider leavig EVE for this. I know it may only seem like a small problem to some of you, but. When I have done a complex 10 times before, I don't expect this to happen. This to me is a bug. It means Complex were not designed properly. I lost a Maller of 10m and a setup of good gear worth over 10m as well. I'm not going back to main roids or whatever for something that was not my fault. The only reason i'm saying this before the pention results is that I have heard that GM's will not refund for such a thing. That to me would kill my whole gaming experience with EVE. Can I have your stuff? THere's a 4/10 complex near where I'm based, and I regularly do it alone in a Ferox when I'm extremely bored. I also like to go into it with a really fast ship, shoot the turrets so everything aggros, and drag it all back to the warp-in point. Sometimes this is far enough from the cruiser spawn that a new flight of cruisers is generated, adding to the mess. It's called setting a trap. Looks like you fell into one. "You Griefer!!!" = "You Doodyhead!!!"
infused	Posted - 2005.06.23 21:19:00 - [18] The result was no.. I am going to fight it though. I have had enough of this game. Enough of the "We don't have any logs sorry". What a load of crap, sorry but it is. I design programs and they are designed to log everything. I would have thought after 2 years, so would CPP. It's not the fact I lost a ship. I have plenty of money to replace it. I'm tired of the support. Nothing gets replaced anymore for their bugs. This was a bug. I've sent them a screen shot, i'm also going to fraps it tonight. They cannot deny that. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination.
sableye	Posted - 2005.06.23 22:24:00 - [19] Originally by: infused The result was no.. I am going to fight it though. I have had enough of this game. Enough of the "We don't have any logs sorry". What a load of crap, sorry but it is. I design programs and they are designed to log everything. I would have thought after 2 years, so would CPP. It's not the fact I lost a ship. I have plenty of money to replace it. I'm tired of the support. Nothing gets replaced anymore for their bugs. This was a bug. I've sent them a screen shot, i'm also going to fraps it tonight. They cannot deny that. how is it a bug if someone else has done the complex before you and moved all the rats there?
infused	Posted - 2005.06.23 22:43:00 - [20] Originally by: sableye Originally by: infused The result was no.. I am going to fight it though. I have had enough of this game. Enough of the "We don't have any logs sorry". What a load of crap, sorry but it is. I design programs and they are designed to log everything. I would have thought after 2 years, so would CPP. It's not the fact I lost a ship. I have plenty of money to replace it. I'm tired of the support. Nothing gets replaced anymore for their bugs. This was a bug. I've sent them a screen shot, i'm also going to fraps it tonight. They cannot deny that. how is it a bug if someone else has done the complex before you and moved all the rats there? I see it as a design flaw as now no one can do that complex and everyone who enters is going to die. I think that should be refundable. The complex should be reset once everyone warps out. It makes sense no? (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination.
RipSnort	Posted - 2005.06.23 22:51:00 - [21] Checking the screenshot you can see a couple of cans from at least one other corp sitting there, so maybe someone tried it just before you did, attracted the NPCs to the warp-in point, and got miserably housed. And a few minutes later you jumped in, unwary of the situation... Anyway don't take losing a ship too bad, m8, it happens to most everyone, consider it a small setback. Game wouldnt be fun if there were no risks at all, now, would it?
Aitrus	Posted - 2005.06.24 00:11:00 - [22] Originally by: infused Originally by: Aeon Yakati Was this shortly after downtime or later? It 's a possibility someone else had been there before you, drawn aggro from all and then left again, leaving the npc's near the warp-in point. That's stupid though. Now no one can do it. Complexes should be like WoW's instances. They should be created in parallel so no one can interfere with them. Won't happen. CCP has stated repeatedly that there will be no instancing in EVE.
infused	Posted - 2005.06.24 00:25:00 - [23] Originally by: RipSnort Checking the screenshot you can see a couple of cans from at least one other corp sitting there, so maybe someone tried it just before you did, attracted the NPCs to the warp-in point, and got miserably housed. And a few minutes later you jumped in, unwary of the situation... Anyway don't take losing a ship too bad, m8, it happens to most everyone, consider it a small setback. Game wouldnt be fun if there were no risks at all, now, would it? Those are mine and a mates. He is from a different corp. I was trying to go back and get my stuff. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination.
Dasagi	Posted - 2005.06.24 00:42:00 - [24] lucky i insured my ship before i went. im in between corps atm though so i have no support to help me get a new ship i have to wait another 8hrs till i can join my new corp. :<
Black Reaper	Posted - 2005.06.24 00:53:00 - [25] That sucks for you Infused. I know that complex worked earlier that night b/c I happened to do it twice in my rupture. Sorry to hear about the loss(not); enjoy the stuff you stole from our corp.
Smada	Posted - 2005.06.24 01:20:00 - [26] 4/10 complexes entirely do-able in an Assault Frig. Buy yourself a Harpy and a good small shield booster / AB / 150mm T2 rail setup - will make you almost untouchable in a 4/10 complex. Light the AB, then spank them all! Cruisers can't hit you, take the Frigs down first, then the cruisers. Only prob can be if there are a few missile lobbing cruisers, but that's where the standard launcher with defenders comes in. Well...ok the small Gistii shield booster does help TBH the Gistii does'nt get used that much in there. Only probs I have ever had were fighting Blood Raiders (lvl 3 mish) with a shield hardner onboard and I forgot to turn off the blasted shield booster so nearly ran out of cap. Great little ship, hard as nails. I'm sure the Amarr AF is just as much fun. Much more fun than doing them in a Cruiser I have found.
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2005.06.24 01:30:00 - [27] Originally by: Smada 4/10 complexes entirely do-able in an Assault Frig. Buy yourself a Harpy and a good small shield booster / AB / 150mm T2 rail setup - will make you almost untouchable in a 4/10 complex. Light the AB, then spank them all! Cruisers can't hit you, take the Frigs down first, then the cruisers. Only prob can be if there are a few missile lobbing cruisers, but that's where the standard launcher with defenders comes in. Well...ok the small Gistii shield booster does help TBH the Gistii does'nt get used that much in there. Only probs I have ever had were fighting Blood Raiders (lvl 3 mish) with a shield hardner onboard and I forgot to turn off the blasted shield booster so nearly ran out of cap. Great little ship, hard as nails. I'm sure the Amarr AF is just as much fun. Much more fun than doing them in a Cruiser I have found. Are you replying to the correct thread? He's Amarr, hes pretty new. wtf would he be doing in a caldari ship? Quit whining infused. At the gate set the scanner for 10000km and see whats there. Extend it 5km at a time. If you see a blob dont warp in.
Smada	Posted - 2005.06.24 02:31:00 - [28] Deja, please read the full post. The Harpy was just a personal example. Sorry if I offended your sensibilities....LOL Quote: I'm sure the Amarr AF is just as much fun. I think the "Amarr AF" is the relevant part there. Nuff said. Cool name btw......Edgar Rice Burroughs aint it?
Skyraker7	Posted - 2005.06.24 05:30:00 - [29] I know the 8/10 complexes are bugged atm... if someone enters and then buggers off again, they keep respawning and respawning. Mate of mine went into one yesterday and there was something like 80 BS sitting there....
Bubba Fett	Posted - 2005.06.24 06:14:00 - [30] I don't know why you thought you might get your ship back. CCP has said again and again that they don't replace stuff unless they've got logs proving a bug. You really think they're going to log the position of EVERY NPC when a player ship dies? So you lost a cruiser worth 20m. I know plenty of people that have lost battleships to game bugs. A few weeks ago I lost an Enyo to NPC's doing something unexpected. I got 1.5m in insurance and the replacment cost me 30m. If it's that much of a problem to you then you probably SHOULD quit before you start playing with more expensive ships where the ship loss REALLY hurts.
Typherin laidai	Posted - 2005.06.24 06:28:00 - [31] Ya your moaning is going to far now... CCP do not give **ty support... ive only ever petitioned for 1 'genuine' thing in the game and that was answered quickly and sorted out. All my other petitions have never even been answered though ! damn you CCP !!! I want my BPO ffs ! You lost your ship to NPC's in the game... nothing more needs to be said. there was no bug that made you insta-explode.. you wherent stuck in space and then pwnd.. you went into a Hostile enviroment and got more than you bargained for. Sad but fair imoh ... now quit your whining or quit the game. Originally by:** Eris Discordia gives Typherin some loving
infused	Posted - 2005.06.24 06:33:00 - [32] Edited by: infused on 24/06/2005 06:35:29 Originally by: Black Reaper That sucks for you Infused. I know that complex worked earlier that night b/c I happened to do it twice in my rupture. Sorry to hear about the loss(not); enjoy the stuff you stole from our corp. Real men don't post with alts. You all don't seem to get it. Run in for the flame, thanks for poving you're nobs. I'm complaining at the way this is being handled. How they always seem to have no logs. Even with screen shots and video it does not matter. I'm also anoyed at why something like this is concidered normal in a complex. Obviously there is something wrong. THIS is what I am complaining about. I have the money to replace this no prob. Try reading in future. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination.
Alzaria Lassem	Posted - 2005.06.24 07:27:00 - [33] Originally by: infused I'm complaining at the way this is being handled. How they always seem to have no logs. Even with screen shots and video it does not matter. I'm also anoyed at why something like this is concidered normal in a complex. Obviously there is something wrong. Did you ever consider the remote possibility that you might be wrong, oh infallable one? Or that it might be by design, which would also mean you are wrong. Or that it's a perfectly valid act for someone to pull in insecure space which is why it's....insecure.
Black Reaper	Posted - 2005.06.24 07:36:00 - [34] Originally by: infused Real men don't post with alts. What alt? This is my main character, Thank You very much. Myabe you should do a little research before looking like an idiot.
Typherin laidai	Posted - 2005.06.24 07:39:00 - [35] Originally by: infused Edited by: infused on 24/06/2005 06:35:29 Originally by: Black Reaper That sucks for you Infused. I know that complex worked earlier that night b/c I happened to do it twice in my rupture. Sorry to hear about the loss(not); enjoy the stuff you stole from our corp. Real men don't post with alts. You all don't seem to get it. Run in for the flame, thanks for poving you're nobs. I'm complaining at the way this is being handled. How they always seem to have no logs. Even with screen shots and video it does not matter. I'm also anoyed at why something like this is concidered normal in a complex. Obviously there is something wrong. THIS is what I am complaining about. I have the money to replace this no prob. Try reading in future. you could have fraps of it and every log in the world.. I still wouldn't give a ** ! you DO NOT desreve a refund for losing your ship to NPC's ... ever. apart from those odd glitches where level 1 agent noobs end up facing 2mill bounty bs's ... now there I could see a problem. Your bringing the flames on yourself bringing your whining thread to the forums ! what exactly did you think you would achieve by announcing to everyone "meh me ship got pwnd" ? Originally by:** Eris Discordia gives Typherin some loving
feiht'd'ero	Posted - 2005.06.24 07:41:00 - [36] If your going then go, stop crying. P.S can i have your stuff ?
Dutchpowercow	Posted - 2005.06.24 08:27:00 - [37] Originally by: infused Originally by: sableye Originally by: infused The result was no.. I am going to fight it though. I have had enough of this game. Enough of the "We don't have any logs sorry". What a load of crap, sorry but it is. I design programs and they are designed to log everything. I would have thought after 2 years, so would CPP. It's not the fact I lost a ship. I have plenty of money to replace it. I'm tired of the support. Nothing gets replaced anymore for their bugs. This was a bug. I've sent them a screen shot, i'm also going to fraps it tonight. They cannot deny that. how is it a bug if someone else has done the complex before you and moved all the rats there? I see it as a design flaw as now no one can do that complex and everyone who enters is going to die. I think that should be refundable. The complex should be reset once everyone warps out. It makes sense no? I think a well tanked BC could do it np. A couple of warps back in and out perhaps, but still could do it.
Pudoris	Posted - 2005.06.24 08:29:00 - [38] I agree that you are whining far to much dude... perhaps this was the rock that tipped you over the hill but all your anger from this incident is a misunderstanding. The spawning is random, the difficulty of the cruisers that appear or bs are very often different. They might not change a few times in a row but then they suddenly do. I did a 4/10 with a 2,5m bs yesterday and a bunch of cruisers, not sure if that is normal but it was fun... If you criticise everything in life so much you are never going to enjoy it as good as you could, life aint perfect and there sure is not a game that is either. Of course, this is very likely to be explained as a trap set from another player on purpose or not, does not really matter. I happen to appreciate the player support in this game, any situation can improve, is it at the point where it cant get much worse? All oppinions differ I juse voiced mine.
Booky	Posted - 2005.06.24 09:31:00 - [39] Edited by: Booky on 24/06/2005 09:31:48 Be gone! There are enough spoiled little brats playing this game already. We (at least I) are tired of hearing the cries from morons when they die. Sounds to me like you are usually on the ganker end of the stick and now you can not handle it when the same returns on you. So I say again, Be Gone Spelling corrections welcome, but don't expect me to edit my post.
Sarkos	Posted - 2005.06.24 11:50:00 - [40] The problem is that Complexes are dangerous places that you chose to enter. If there are other cans there from an earlier visit, that means you lured the rats closer to your jump in spot, thus the fast lock and fire. I'm sorry, but deal with it. I lost a Typhoon to a torpedo spamming Zor in a Navy Raven. This falls under the catagory of S.H.I.T. Happens. If complexes were safe, they would not be fun. :) If you stay, and do other complexes, next time you need to warp out of one, wait for downtime to go back. Then the rats will be reset to thier starting positions. Either free the slaves or we will come and get them.
Cmdr Sy	Posted - 2005.06.24 12:12:00 - [41] A friend of mine once entered a 6/10 right after downtime to discover twice the usual number of BS. He managed to warp out just in time. So maybe it's a bug.
Tananda Vaakaja	Posted - 2005.06.24 13:53:00 - [42] That's definately a bug.. sucks for Infused and any others that have been Pwned that way. It indeed needs to be addressed.. an npc "reset" timer p'raps? i.e. you have to warp out the npc go back to their starting points 5 mins after no player present in their area. AND insane "multi" spawns need to be looked at....LOL. 80+ BS's is crazy... and VERY broken...
Kresh Vladir	Posted - 2005.06.24 14:39:00 - [43] Originally by: infused Screenshot. http://img20.echo.cx/img20/1439/eve6mq.jpg that doesint look right ive done not the exact same complex but 4/10 guristas in tamo 2j from daras I CLAIM JITA
infused	Posted - 2005.06.25 04:52:00 - [44] I assume i'm allowed to post the outcome of this without quoting anything the GM has said but... I have been refunded. What happened according to the GM was there were over twice them number of npcs in the first level. There should be 30, there were over 60. So a big thanks to the GM's for that. So you can stop flaming me now as this was not my fault It seems this IS a bug. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination.

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