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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2013.01.16 17:31:00 -
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ground ctrl wrote:dribble..... -1 to you for never logging in and playing Eve Online. |
ground ctrl
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
30
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Posted - 2013.01.16 18:25:00 -
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XG I have played eve and faction war for hundreds of hours. I don't think playing it for hundreds more will fix it.
Given that comment was in response to the quote below, its obvious that you are just trying to avoid the fact that fw sov war is still broken.
ground ctrl wrote:X Gallentius wrote:Veshta Yoshida wrote: Just out of curiosity though, what in your view, is required of a person for him/her to be considered 'playing the game'? Farm a bazillion VP/LP per week? ***** on umpteen mails per week?
It's good to see your corp is finally in FW and that you're actually getting some kills. +1. XG does, of course, includes the people who are just farming and whoring kms as playing the sov war game. It doesn't matter to him that the vast majority don't care at all who is winning the sov war. He still wants to count them as satisfied customers. Just like people who used to do nothing but ***** missions were satisfied customers. If he only looked at people who actually log in and do their absolute best to win sov well it would just be him Nezmor Zarnak and Sasawong. So despite the fact that only 4 players are really trying to win the game that doesn't mean its broken. After all those 4 people are happy with the mechanic.
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Princess Nexxala
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
259
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Posted - 2013.01.16 18:52:00 -
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Don't bother chat, this guy doesn't know how to play Eve. So he goes on and on and on about something he knows absolutely nothing about. I found it amusing at first but it's so obviously a troll it's not worth discussing anything with him. He is terrible and knows he should be playing other games, yet it amuses him to come here and insult a game he doesn't "get". Probably due to some sort of inferiority complex. Got ass raped a few too many times on his main I suppose. Should be banned for filling the forums with nonsense tbh.
chatgris wrote:ground ctrl wrote:or using plexes as a way to get some random pvp.
Why is this a bad thing?
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
926
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Posted - 2013.01.16 19:39:00 -
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ground ctrl wrote:XG I have played eve and faction war for hundreds of hours. I don't think playing it for hundreds more will fix it.
Given that comment was in response to the quote below, its obvious that you are just trying to avoid the fact that fw sov war is still broken. You're the moron who ranted on endlessly that there should be no rats in plexes... Just sayin'
Anyways, have fun orbiting buttons with your FDU alt. I thank you for helping us achieve FW domination. Keep up the good work! |
ground ctrl
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
30
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Posted - 2013.01.16 20:32:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:ground ctrl wrote:XG I have played eve and faction war for hundreds of hours. I don't think playing it for hundreds more will fix it.
Given that comment was in response to the quote below, its obvious that you are just trying to avoid the fact that fw sov war is still broken. You're the moron who ranted on endlessly that there should be no rats in plexes... Just sayin' Anyways, have fun orbiting buttons with your FDU alt. I thank you for helping us achieve FW domination. Keep up the good work!
More sidestepping.
You are horribly misinformed, and unable to respond the facts that fw sov mechanics are still broken. |
Taoist Dragon
Forced Penetration Hopeless Addiction
203
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Posted - 2013.01.16 20:43:00 -
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ground ctrl wrote:
More sidestepping.
You are horribly misinformed, and unable to respond the facts that fw sov mechanics are still broken.
FW mechanics are not still broken.....there are a lot of people very much enjoying FW in it's current state.
That the FW mechanics are not what YOU want is a completely different thing altogether.
Seriously mate if you don't like it so much go fly somewhere else. If you have CONSTRUCTIVE ideas then post them on F&I area of the forums. This constant whining just make you look like a snivelling 12yr old who's had a cookie take from him.
If you have posted your ideas and CCP are choosing not to implement then we then make the choice. Suck it up and try to adapt to find YOUR kind of fun or just leave. Vote with your wallet and cancel your sub. That is the Way, the Tao.
Balance is everything.
I'm NOT a Pirate! I'm a privateer! |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
926
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Posted - 2013.01.16 20:43:00 -
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And you're the only moron on these forums who thinks the previous system of once (or more) per month massive sov flips was a good idea.
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ground ctrl
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
30
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Posted - 2013.01.16 22:07:00 -
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Princess Nexxala wrote:Don't bother chat, this guy doesn't know how to play Eve. So he goes on and on and on about something he knows absolutely nothing about. I found it amusing at first but it's so obviously a troll it's not worth discussing anything with him. He is terrible and knows he should be playing other games, yet it amuses him to come here and insult a game he doesn't "get". Probably due to some sort of inferiority complex. Got ass raped a few too many times on his main I suppose. Should be banned for filling the forums with nonsense tbh. chatgris wrote:ground ctrl wrote:or using plexes as a way to get some random pvp.
Why is this a bad thing?
Like I said Princess nexxala in all of my first few posts I am cearain's alt. My main account expired and I am not really interested in resubbing so I am posting on an alt account.
If you want to address the points I raised feel free. If you just want to name call like XG, I guess you can do that to0, but you lose credibiltiy. |
ground ctrl
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
30
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Posted - 2013.01.16 22:10:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:And you're the only moron on these forums who thinks the previous system of once (or more) per month massive sov flips was a good idea.
My what an intetnet tough guy repeatedly calling other posters a moron.
Yes the cashouts were preferable to this system. Can you remember any of the reasons I gave for that? Or are you the type of person who makes up their mind without listening to reasons? |
ground ctrl
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
30
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Posted - 2013.01.16 22:23:00 -
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Taoist Dragon wrote:ground ctrl wrote:
More sidestepping.
You are horribly misinformed, and unable to respond the facts that fw sov mechanics are still broken.
FW mechanics are not still broken.....there are a lot of people very much enjoying FW in it's current state. .
I would think they would want to hit about 50k people in fw after 2 expansions focused on it. 15,000 players most of which are just players moving from a different part of the game to farm, is not what I would call a success. But I guess I had different expectations. |
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
926
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Posted - 2013.01.16 22:52:00 -
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ground ctrl wrote:Yes the cashouts were preferable to this system. Case closed. |
ground ctrl
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
31
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Posted - 2013.01.17 02:44:00 -
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I ask you this:
ground ctrl wrote:X Gallentius wrote:And you're the only moron on these forums who thinks the previous system of once (or more) per month massive sov flips was a good idea.
My what an intetnet tough guy repeatedly calling other posters a moron. Yes the cashouts were preferable to this system. Can you remember any of the reasons I gave for that? Or are you the type of person who makes up their mind without listening to reasons?
And you respond with this
X Gallentius wrote:ground ctrl wrote:Yes the cashouts were preferable to this system. Case closed.
There are of course allot of close minded and unreasonable people on the internet but few are so blatant as you. I can only guess you, in fact, did not even read the reasons I gave for prefering the cashout system. And you are, in fact, the type of person who makes up your mind without listening to reason. |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
927
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Posted - 2013.01.17 04:27:00 -
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ground ctrl wrote:There are of course allot of close minded and unreasonable people on the internet but few are so blatant as you. I can only guess you, in fact, did not even read the reasons I gave for prefering the cashout system. And you are, in fact, the type of person who makes up your mind without listening to reason. Log in. Play game. Report your findings.
Remember Step 1. Log in. |
Dan Carter Murray
370
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Posted - 2013.01.17 04:39:00 -
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I just want to say to the morons who put alts into opposing militia (Amarr putting alts in FDU or TLF) that my dplexing alt who is Amarr has made me 8 bil isk to date since they made LP changes for dplexing. This isk is from dplexing both high and low contested systems.
Oh noes! I can't make 16 bil. 8 bil isk is fine though. probably 2 bil of that was @ tier 1.
quit crying about the mechanics and put your alt back into Amarr so it can be awoxed. I mean...put it back into Amarr to dplex so your main gets awoxed for being a traitor...I mean just quit crying and your main back into Amarr.
Again, the formula for FW is:
enter plex enemy came to fight? no - you made isk yes - you got pvp did you win? no - you got pvp yes - you got isk and pvp
stfu THIS IS GOLD FLEET BROTHER. WE DON'T NEED NO ******* THRASHERS/SFIs/CANES. @DanCarterMurray |
Cynthia Nezmor
Nezmor's Golden Griffins
154
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Posted - 2013.01.17 11:19:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:ground ctrl wrote:There are of course allot of close minded and unreasonable people on the internet but few are so blatant as you. I can only guess you, in fact, did not even read the reasons I gave for prefering the cashout system. And you are, in fact, the type of person who makes up your mind without listening to reason. Log in. Play game. Report your findings. Remember Step 1. Log in.
Wise frog is wise. |
Cynthia Nezmor
Nezmor's Golden Griffins
154
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Posted - 2013.01.17 11:23:00 -
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Taoist Dragon wrote:ground ctrl wrote:
More sidestepping.
You are horribly misinformed, and unable to respond the facts that fw sov mechanics are still broken.
FW mechanics are not still broken.....there are a lot of people very much enjoying FW in it's current state.
That the FW mechanics are not what YOU want is a completely different thing altogether.
After all 4 militias could do the same thing, it was perfectly balanced. People need to be changed, their attitude of "i would rather sit in station for 2 hours, pvp for 10 minutes, farm isk for 5 minutes" should become "i pvp for 2 hours, when i lose, i farm isk for 15 minutes". Also if you are not playing FW, you should stop posting. I sometimes go into wormholes, or nullsec, but you dont see me posting on forums as nullsec/wh resident. |
Dan Carter Murray
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Posted - 2013.01.17 15:42:00 -
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Cynthia Nezmor wrote:Also if you are not playing FW, you should stop posting. I sometimes go into wormholes, or nullsec, but you dont see me posting on forums as nullsec/wh resident.
this
THIS IS GOLD FLEET BROTHER. WE DON'T NEED NO ******* THRASHERS/SFIs/CANES. @DanCarterMurray |
ground ctrl
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
33
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Posted - 2013.01.17 15:50:00 -
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Dan Carter Murray wrote:Cynthia Nezmor wrote:Also if you are not playing FW, you should stop posting. I sometimes go into wormholes, or nullsec, but you dont see me posting on forums as nullsec/wh resident. this
How long do you have to play a game before you can post on it?
If the idea is that only people who are currently playing a game are allowed to post then of course it will be all roses - after all people who don't like the game tend to stop playing it.
Just like most catholic priests do not think the celebacy requirement is too onerous. Well if they did think it was too onerous they wouldn't be priests now would they?
If you don't want to hear the views of people who no longer play the game because of problems then don't read the forums. |
ground ctrl
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
33
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Posted - 2013.01.17 15:52:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:ground ctrl wrote:There are of course allot of close minded and unreasonable people on the internet but few are so blatant as you. I can only guess you, in fact, did not even read the reasons I gave for prefering the cashout system. And you are, in fact, the type of person who makes up your mind without listening to reason. Log in. Play game. Report your findings. Remember Step 1. Log in.
I did all three. And the game still sucks so I am reporting why. |
ground ctrl
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
33
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Posted - 2013.01.17 15:58:00 -
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Dan Carter Murray wrote:I just want to say to the morons who put alts into opposing militia (Amarr putting alts in FDU or TLF) that my dplexing alt who is Amarr has made me 8 bil isk to date since they made LP changes for dplexing. This isk is from dplexing both high and low contested systems.
Oh noes! I can't make 16 bil. 8 bil isk is fine though. probably 2 bil of that was @ tier 1.
quit crying about the mechanics and put your alt back into Amarr so it can be awoxed. I mean...put it back into Amarr to dplex so your main gets awoxed for being a traitor...I mean just quit crying and your main back into Amarr.
Again, the formula for FW is:
enter plex
enemy came to fight? no - you made isk yes - you got pvp did you win? no - you got pvp yes - you got isk and pvp
stfu
I am glad you enjoy spending hours of your life multiboxing alts deplexing systems for isk. That does not sound fun to me. I would prefer to actually get pvp on my main that have some context in the war at large.
And don't assume that alts in other militias are doing plexing. |
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Princess Nexxala
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
259
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Posted - 2013.01.17 16:07:00 -
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Please post on your main so we can all see just how "active" in FW you were, oh wait like that would ever happen. FYI just because someone disagrees with your very shortsighted opinion doesn't mean you have to post it 37 times in the same thread. You come off like an enormous douche.
ground ctrl wrote:
How long do you have to play a game before you can post on it?
If the idea is that only people who are currently playing a game are allowed to post then of course it will be all roses - after all people who don't like the game tend to stop playing it.
Just like most catholic priests do not think the celebacy requirement is too onerous. Well if they did think it was too onerous they wouldn't be priests now would they?
If you don't want to hear the views of people who no longer play the game because of problems then don't read the forums.
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ground ctrl
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
33
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Posted - 2013.01.17 16:17:00 -
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Princess Nexxala wrote:Please post on your main so we can all see just how "active" in FW you were, oh wait like that would ever happen. FYI just because someone disagrees with your very shortsighted opinion doesn't mean you have to post it 37 times in the same thread. You come off like an enormous douche. ground ctrl wrote:
How long do you have to play a game before you can post on it?
If the idea is that only people who are currently playing a game are allowed to post then of course it will be all roses - after all people who don't like the game tend to stop playing it.
Just like most catholic priests do not think the celebacy requirement is too onerous. Well if they did think it was too onerous they wouldn't be priests now would they?
If you don't want to hear the views of people who no longer play the game because of problems then don't read the forums.
My mains subscription lapsed because after playing fw I learned it is still broken. Cearain and Cearaen are my pvp characters.
I don't care if people disagree with my opinions. Really if you like camping gates and collecting frigate kills in your sensor boosted arty thrasher thats fine. Its not my thing, but I hope you have fun. If DCM and cynthia enjoy deplexing by multiboxing alt accounts thats fine. I really hope they have fun too. But thats not appealing to me.
But if someone isn't going to respond to the actual points/suggestions I make about the game, other than just assert they are "short sighted" and then say I come off as a douche - well don't expect any respect in return.
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Princess Nexxala
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
259
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Posted - 2013.01.17 16:50:00 -
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IDK maybe just accept it didn't work for you and move on. It's obviously not for everyone.
Oh and BTW, the sensor booster thrasher is called ADAPTING. You see, some squids won't fight me. So I force them to fight. And I do it a way that makes them realize they would be better off just giving me the GF in the first place. At least then they won't lose a pod and die without firing a shot.
But I suppose not everyone is flexible enough to change up tactics on a whim to adapt to a given situation. Personally that's what I love about Eve. So many ways to pew stuff :) You want to play the game only 1 way, that's cool but it doesn't mean it's **** for everyone else.
ground ctrl wrote: My mains subscription lapsed because after playing fw I learned it is still broken. Cearain and Cearaen are my pvp characters.
I don't care if people disagree with my opinions. Really if you like camping gates and collecting frigate kills in your sensor boosted arty thrasher thats fine. Its not my thing, but I hope you have fun. If DCM and cynthia enjoy deplexing by multiboxing alt accounts thats fine. I really hope they have fun too. But thats not appealing to me.
But if someone isn't going to respond to the actual points/suggestions I make about the game, other than just assert they are "short sighted" and then say I come off as a douche - well don't expect any respect in return.
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ground ctrl
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
33
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Posted - 2013.01.17 19:53:00 -
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Princess Nexxala wrote:IDK maybe just accept it didn't work for you and move on. It's obviously not for everyone.
Oh and BTW, the sensor booster thrasher is called ADAPTING. You see, some squids won't fight me. So I force them to fight. And I do it a way that makes them realize they would be better off just giving me the GF in the first place. At least then they won't lose a pod and die without firing a shot.
So you would prefer goodfights but you cant get them so you somewhat reluctantly fit the sensor boosters to ***** killmails. Some people would doubt you, but I don't. When I couldn't find good fights I considered doing this too.
I even bought some ships to do that and got a kill or two. Of course that was always an option that I had as people have been camping stations and gates with sensor boosted ships for years. I am glad you get enjoyment from it but its not cutting it for me.
But lets stick to with what you said you would prefer - Good fights. You said you weren't getting the fights and thats what lead to you flying the sensorboosted arty thrasher. That is my observation as well. Why aren't we getting enough good fights?
Are we the only ones in eve who wish we could get more good pvp fights?
How many people do you think have left eve because good fights were too hard to come by?
Is there not a thread on warfare and tactics describing how boring eve pvp is because good fights are hard to come by? Have you not seen countless other threads witht he same complaint?
I mean you try to act like I am all alone in wanting mechanics that promote frequent quality pvp but if you honestly answer the questions above I am sure you will realize that eve and ccp would greatly benefit from making FW a mechanic where you can get frequent quality pvp.
Just because the people who find eve boring because of the long waits between fights don't say subscribed forever that doesn't mean eve wouldn't be way better if they made a part of eve where people could get frequent quality pvp.
If they did that with faction war I don't think we would see fw gain 5000 null sec alt farmers. We would see faction war and indeed eve as a whole gain 50-100k new subscriptions - on the conservative end.
But whatever, jsut stop acting like I am the only one who would like to see eve provide a mechanic for frequent quality pvp.
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
934
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Posted - 2013.01.17 19:57:00 -
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If Eve is boring to you then leave. Please. |
ground ctrl
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
33
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Posted - 2013.01.17 20:31:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:If Eve is boring to you then leave. Please.
"Adapt or die"
XG helping eve-o forums live up to their reputation of being full of worthless posts. What would happen to them without you?
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
934
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Posted - 2013.01.17 20:46:00 -
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ground ctrl wrote:"Adapt or die" You don't adapt. You just whine. |
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery Swift Angels Alliance
882
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Posted - 2013.01.18 00:03:00 -
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Sorry to hear Cearain got bugged and is nonfunctional. Mostly because you are still here on ground ctrl doing the same job. Taking submissions for "Trinkets friendly Advice Column" via evemail or private convo in-game. Anonymity sorta guaranteed. http://www.localectomy.blogspot.com.au
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Hidden Snake
Genco Fatal Ascension
245
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Posted - 2013.01.18 08:44:00 -
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Merdaneth wrote:Hidden Snake wrote:to get rid of farmers ... get rid of the tier system ....and cut the lp store profit .... farmers will vanish ....
reverse timers etc are useless there are tons of farmable systems ..... and second level of farming is running missions on high tiers. You didn't read the OP very well. This is not to remove farming, farmers are a part of EVE. This is merely to at least give people that avoid fights a disincentive to do so, and to give people who try and get fights an incentive to do so. I don't care if the people that warp out are farmers or not, merely that not staying and fighting should have some kind of penalty. This penalty will have a side-effect of reducing farming, but I don't think (and don't want) to stop it.
u haven't read my post ... this will not even reduce farming by a bit .... if you chase away farmer from plex he usually does not return. He just goes to other distant system.
Point is farmers affect the game of system control (which was not in the past) and they also affect the market games a lot. Both are by my humble opinion **** sir and it is ruining game for everyone. Because despite all the gallente and minnie smack on forums if CCP allows and the farmhorde will rollover to the other side no fastforward patches will save you (actually one could, but it would mean I won and CCP Fozzie ****** it up).
http://facwarstats.appspot.com/ <<< here u can see where the farmhorde is now ... Amarr hold your hats. Based on CCPs conflict of interests I propose all who protest agains CCP Fozzie behaviour ad this to your sig.-á HIGH FIVE is LOW FIVE CCP.-á |
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
484
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Posted - 2013.01.18 09:10:00 -
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Hidden Snake wrote:u haven't read my post ... this will not even reduce farming by a bit .... if you chase away farmer from plex he usually does not return. He just goes to other distant system.... It will reduce it, simply because the profits from it will plummet.
Farming works because defender (PvP'er) does not want to waste time babysitting timers, especially with extra time on them so the farmer can have several 'active' plexes to work with and just warp around with the only time lost being the time it takes to warp+accel. gate.
Resetting timers would make offensive plexing something to do in blobs so make sure you don't suddenly 'lose' 15 minutes and is to me an exceedingly poor idea. Auto-run timers on the other hand lets the PvP'er penalise the farmer for running without having to stop, if he runs the time it takes him to get back is effectively lost to him.
End result will be a shift towards missions again, but they 'only' affect the markets (which have been crashed for 1+ year so 'meh') and not the all important docking and/or WZC .. while not all that needs to be done to bring balance to the risk/reward of FW it would be a solid step in the right direction.
PS: And yes, farmer can just pull stakes and go far, far away .. but as control stabilizes, people spread out and that ninja wannabe gets a brand new group of followers --> missions. |
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