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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.06.23 15:16:00 -
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 Originally by: Amthrianius
i'd rather compare the 1200 to the dual heavy beam laser and the 1400 a tachyon and thus a mega beam (1325) is needed, well at least imo :p (as 1200's are rarely used because they lack the ooomph the 1400's have)
afaik its supposedly 1400=megabeam=425, and tachs are just an extra uber gun for amarr with extra uber fitting reqs.
And its supposedly dual 250=dual heavy beam=1200, and 350s are a special midrange for gallante.
But I think personally they should boost the 1200 a bit damage wise (completely outclassed by 1400s and uses almost as much grid) and add a dual 720 arty and make that in line with the dual 250 and dual heavy beam. It would have decent range and small fitting reqs but crap damage.
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.06.23 15:27:00 -
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Originally by: Meridius
Edited by: Meridius on 23/06/2005 15:25:06
Originally by: Vee Bot
Well as mimn are behind on dps id say they need a 1800mm artie to compare with the tach and the 425.
DrunkenOne [ATUK] perfectly strikes you wrecking for for 3829.3 damage
No pls 
Minny dont need a better gun than the 1400. Like I said, they need a gun below the 1200 to fit that is comparable to dual heavy beams and dual 250s in damage and fitting.
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.06.23 15:30:00 -
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Edited by: DrunkenOne on 23/06/2005 15:34:56
Originally by: Meridius
If tachs are so uber, why do they do less dps then 1400's and 425's
tach IIs=.408
1400 IIs=.292
425 IIs=.345
megabeam IIs=.400
w/ BS 5
tempest + 1400 II= .45625
Geddon + tach II= .51
Mega + 425 II= .43125
Geddon + megabeam IIs= .5
And no I'm not gonna calc damage mods cause I dont know how to do that  .
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.06.23 15:36:00 -
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Edited by: DrunkenOne on 23/06/2005 15:36:37
Edited by: DrunkenOne on 23/06/2005 15:36:08
Originally by: Vee Bot
Originally by: Meridius
DrunkenOne [ATUK] perfectly strikes you wrecking for for 3829.3 damage
No pls
holy mother of God!
That must be faction stuff, cos i got tech II and fine gunnery but thats just silly!
Thats the sorta hit i would expect from the 1800mm, i shudder to think what a 1800mm would do with Drunks setup
Thats a fake hit, meridius is just chicken little, always thinks the sky is falling.  I can't even use t2 med proj yet
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.06.23 16:29:00 -
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Edited by: DrunkenOne on 23/06/2005 16:29:40
Originally by: Meridius
Convenient using the geddon as a tach boat since you can only fit 5 of them and it's not as good for sniping as say the apoc because of CPU + mid slots.
Try again with the apoc and btw, i think something is wrong with your numbers...
Awesome, you can only fit 5 1400s on a tempest.
And the numbers are simply damage/RoF for the 1st group, and then damage/RoF * 1.25 (and an extra *1.25 for the tempest) for the BS.
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.06.23 17:08:00 -
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Edited by: DrunkenOne on 23/06/2005 17:10:13
Originally by: Meridius
Here are those numbers drunk...
Originally by: DigitalCommunist
425mm Railgun II
Base: 3.3x @ 9.563 sec
Max Skills: 6.5227x 7.17225 sec
DPS: 43.65
Tachyon Beam Laser II
Base: 5.1x @ 12.5 sec
Max Skills: 8.064x @ 9.375 sec
DPS: 41.23
1400mm Artillery II
Base: 6.9x @ 23.625 sec
Max Skills: 11.86x @ 11.8125 sec
DPS: 48.19
You stilling calling the tach an extra uber gun?
Using stats out of context 4tw? Looks like hes using tachs on an apoc, which gets no damage bonuses, so obviously guns with 2 bonuses look better. Hell if you are gonna do that why not compare the tachs on an apoc to 1400 IIs on a phoon?
Seeing as how we are using stats that our out of context, why don't we see total dps for the ships hes using the guns on?
Tempest w/1400 IIs: 48.19* 6= 289.14
Mega w/ 425 IIs: 43.65 * 7= 305.55
Apoc w/ tach IIs: 41.23* 8= 329.84
Out of context stats 4tw? Yeah, Tachs really suck. Best base stats of the long range guns and best dps on an apoc or geddon.
Oh and dont complain that you need 2 RCU IIs or whatever to fit those tachs. Cause that leaevs you with the same # of low slots a tempest has when fitting 6 1400s.
Can't we both just whine about how mega's with 425s are uber seeing as how they need no grid mods?
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.06.23 17:11:00 -
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Originally by: Amthrianius
god knows why you2 are arguing over tachyon beam's when this is for new guns not ones that already exist :p
Me and meri always fight on the forums (and make love ingame).
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.06.23 17:30:00 -
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make dual 720s :(
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