Now i don't mind being disrupted but this perma disruption is doing my ******* nuts in its been like this for weeks now
so I have some questions
WHY WHY can't u fix it guys. even when only being disrupted by 1 npc the effects of the previous spawn disruption still in place

Is it the same for all ewar such as npc's neuting/nossing. painting, jamming etcetc ? or did u just want to bully all us turret players down south.........

******* FIX IT

There's also dampening in Gallante and ECM in Caldari. Although TP is a joke, so move to Winmatar space like everyone else.

One ECCM module counters ECM pretty darn well.

Tcomps and TEs don't do much for TD. And people generally use those by default, too. Right now the only counter to TD is switching weapons to missles, or using a MJD and hoping the TD in your mission doesn't extend to 100 km.

I'm interested in knowing more about SDing though. Is it as big a ****block TDing is? Is countering it easy?

SD isn't bad in most missions. It's an issue in Blockade though, due to the large number of SD rats.

I haven't seen a rat self-destruct yet, but I'll keep my eyes peeled. As long as I aggro them beforehand I should get the bounty, right?

Sensor Damp... are you new or something?

Yeah ive got some buddies doing IV's in MAchs. They have hardly any issue. Good luck everyone else flying the other 40 or so ships to do missions.

I think i found the angry troll!

I'm a little lost as to why you're so hostile to a bald unknown gender forum troll like me.

Fixed that for you.

Works with all ships.
Get close and TD does not matter.
Get close and Damps will not matter.
Wait out the ECM and kill them when you can.

All can be done without a Machariel.

I don't see where your continued badgering of me and changing words in my 'quotes' explains why you're so hostile to me.

Though none of these things you listed work easily when webbed and neuted. Generally in L5's you have this in addition to either severe SD'ing of late or TD'd. For example in either Sansha Aquisition or wrath of angels- i cant remember which - an AC 2x TE 800mm Mach will get disrupted to 6km from 58 or so. Burn to everything you need to shoot within 6km and hope u can actually track it? Prop mods don't seem to cycle well at no cap. What L5's are these that you run solo with a mach?

Yeah looks like CCP want players to buy plex for dollaz so the average player can buy machs.

Its all about the money.

Why the hell would you use 800mm Autos on a Mach? 1400mm Artys are way better, and the MJD allows you to easily get at range.

How well does a 1400 Mach track targets with 17 td's on it? I personally know - maybe you should try and let us know how it goes. Sansha aquisition / Sansha on the Horizon.

How well does a 1400 Mach track targets with 17 td's on it? I personally know - maybe you should try and let us know how it goes. Sansha aquisition / Sansha on the Horizon.

I am sure you are full of experience in running all sorts of missions...
It obviously isn't EVE online.
Perhaps X3?
Have you even undocked with that character yet?


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Equip auto-targetting missles.

fire them off.

Sit back and laugh at all the jammers.

done lvl4 / lowsec sigs / ded using several ships, among them are machariel, myrmydon, cynabal, loki, hurricane

never had issues with TD, only pain is the ECM guristas that cannot be overcome even with 2 ECCM on some missions

maybe if ppl had good fit they wouldn't complain, just sayin'

most of those have decent falloff to fallback on though, try with rails/blaster pulse/beam

SD in Gallente missions has always sucked, for as long as ive been playing eve. I counter it with either FOF missiles or using a faster ship(tengu) to get in close enough that my targeting range isnt affected. Being in a Raven and being damped sucks. Fitting aSignal Amp has always helped a bit, but not when Im being damped by 8 rats.

Wait until CCP makes TD affect missiles.

The new and improved npc TD is completely different from npc dampening. Both are non-stacking-penalized and op, the difference is, for dampening, you just have to burn to each rat and kill it, for TD, this doesn't work, since your tracking is so low that guns miss at point blank. It's the difference between 1 and 0. Former is merely annoying, later is impossible, no counter aside from dualboxing exist.

Equip auto-targetting missles.

fire them off.

Sit back and laugh at all the jammers.

If you are going to PvE, do it right and use Caldari eqipment :)

It is not broken at all.

If the ewar is too much for you to handle.
Get more sp in gunnery and/or move to level 3 missions.

even when only being disrupted by 1 npc the effects of the previous spawn disruption still in place

Completely wrong.

Fit prop mod.
Approach.
Hit 0 Transversal.
Kill.

If this is too much for you try level 3s.

troll much? of course its broken, have you even run sansha;s yet? the TD is still in effect even after they stopped using the module=broken
And for your info i have a pretty portion of my SP in amarr based gunnery(just passed 3 mil sp)

Just passed 3 million sp!!!! OMG you are a legend.

I didn't say it that it was easy to kill the td ships. I said it is not broken.
My above statement stands.

Approach with prop mod.
Hit 0 transversal.
Kill.

Sure you are going to be taking damage. But that is what reps are for.
If you can't handle the damage go elsewhere.

in gunnery 3 mil SP yes sounds reasonable to me :) as for your suggestion that would take forever, even with ab means traveling at least the minimum of 200km to kill one spawn

in gunnery 3 mil SP yes sounds reasonable to me :) as for your suggestion that would take forever, even with ab means traveling at least the minimum of 200km to kill one spawn

u telling me these tengu pilots are loading 10 mil sp into heavy missiles? i think not! no balance

u telling me these tengu pilots are loading 10 mil sp into heavy missiles? i think not! no balance

They made things harder to encourage teamwork. (i assume)
So get some help.
Or buy a character.
Or do missions that 4 million sp players can do.

ill just wait for my alt to assist since im in a dead environment

Best to block the trolls...theres not much useful you'll get from people like this. Alot of heartache about why you are bad. Asking if you have ever undocked and linking your character employment record. Nothing much in the way of advice on working around the problem except that you are a terrible pilot. I'm not sure how that really helps anyone except to make the person with the issue feel bad. I think thats the definition of trolling. An ISD would know better than I.

There's not a real good way to counter the amped up ewar atm that ive seen. There are some MJD sentry things you can do- this is all at a cost though as it is loads slower than pre ewar nonsense. IMO missioning L4-5 with the TD rats, serpentis with the sensor damps some sansha anom chaining are a waste of my time with turret ships so i just don't mess with them anymore.

I dont want this to be misunderstood- there are ways to get around this- it is just an incredibly inefficient use of ones time and the p.i.t.a. factor of npc changes to reward has not scaled like it should.

Tcomps and TEs don't do much for TD. And people generally use those by default, too. Right now the only counter to TD is switching weapons to missles, or using a MJD and hoping the TD in your mission doesn't extend to 100 km.

SD isn't bad in most missions. It's an issue in Blockade though, due to the large number of SD rats. Your targeting range will drop to 10km or so, and up to a full minute to lock frigs. Many a noob popped there during the one minute it took to lock scramming frigs, lol.