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Suddenly Forums ForumKings
Republic University Minmatar Republic
407
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Posted - 2013.01.14 15:43:00 -
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Low security status has all kinds of handicaps and restrictions, so why are there no rewards? If EVE is about risk and reward, then -10 players need a reward to offset the vast list of restrictions placed on their toon.
For example give everyone with -10 sec status 200% payout bonuses on Pirate missions (like from Angel Cartel and Sansha agents), or maybe a discount on pirate LP stores. Something to make -10 cool again. |

masternerdguy
nul-li-fy Nulli Secunda
1210
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Posted - 2013.01.14 15:49:00 -
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Or maybe access to all these sekwet squirrel pirate bases that you are always blowing up in missions Things are only impossible until they are not. |

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
1159
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Posted - 2013.01.14 15:49:00 -
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Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:Low security status has all kinds of handicaps and restrictions, so why are there no rewards? If EVE is about risk and reward, then -10 players need a reward to offset the vast list of restrictions placed on their toon.
For example give everyone with -10 sec status 200% payout bonuses on Pirate missions (like from Angel Cartel and Sansha agents), or maybe a discount on pirate LP stores. Something to make -10 cool again.
The reward for a sec status of -5 is that people are more willing to fight you anywhere. |

Ptraci
3 R Corporation The Irukandji
1188
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Posted - 2013.01.14 15:56:00 -
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Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:Low security status has all kinds of handicaps and restrictions, so why are there no rewards?
The reward of low security status is having low security status. Also, the welfare office is that way ----> |

Ravnik
Choke-Hold
4382
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Posted - 2013.01.14 16:02:00 -
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There are rewards. They are garanteed unlimited pvp if they so wish! I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched c-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannh+ņuser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.....Time to die. |

masternerdguy
nul-li-fy Nulli Secunda
1211
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Posted - 2013.01.14 16:03:00 -
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Ravnik wrote:There are rewards. They are garanteed unlimited pvp if they so wish!
So unlimited PVP is a reward? Now that's a 180* shift of what GD usually says! Things are only impossible until they are not. |

No More Heroes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2120
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Posted - 2013.01.14 16:59:00 -
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Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:Low security status has all kinds of handicaps and restrictions, so why are there no rewards? If EVE is about risk and reward, then -10 players need a reward to offset the vast list of restrictions placed on their toon.
For example give everyone with -10 sec status 200% payout bonuses on Pirate missions (like from Angel Cartel and Sansha agents), or maybe a discount on pirate LP stores. Something to make -10 cool again.
This is reasonable. Thumbs up all the way. An entitlement society says that I should be compensated for all the persecution and discrimination I face in highsec.  Always follow orders little bees |

Xercodo
Xovoni Directorate
2083
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Posted - 2013.01.14 17:02:00 -
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Actually, I agree with OP. Negative sec to work for pirates sounds awesome. The Drake is a Lie |

Randolph Rothstein
whatever corp.
332
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Posted - 2013.01.14 17:03:00 -
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the reward for low security status is that we all fear you and are looking up to you ,oh my lord |

Minerva Zen
Swords of Valor
8
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Posted - 2013.01.14 17:07:00 -
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You already got the reward; all the loot you got while going negative in the first place. Sorry if you mismanaged that and didn't score juicier kills on the way to -10.0. |

Unit757
XVIII Legion Angeli Mortis
33
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Posted - 2013.01.14 17:13:00 -
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I always thought the reward was getting to laugh at all the idiots who still charge isk for kill rights on us. |

Remiel Pollard
Aliastra Gallente Federation
1283
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Posted - 2013.01.14 17:14:00 -
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Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:Low security status has all kinds of handicaps and restrictions, so why are there no rewards? If EVE is about risk and reward, then -10 players need a reward to offset the vast list of restrictions placed on their toon.
For example give everyone with -10 sec status 200% payout bonuses on Pirate missions (like from Angel Cartel and Sansha agents), or maybe a discount on pirate LP stores. Something to make -10 cool again.
EVE is also about consequences. There's a reason your security status is low, it's a measure and a reflection of your toon's 'lawfulness' based on what activities you've decided to participate in. There are no special rewards for +10s either. High security status grants no special treatment whatsoever, but low security status means you're a threat, an outlaw, and probably can't be trusted, hence your 'exile' from high security space. And that's not even enforceable if you aren't sticking around in high sec for too long. When you make the choice to go low, you gotta face the consequences. I wanna go low myself at some stage, maybe when I'm a little more experienced. But the last I checked.... in regards to rewards, you're not missing out on anything that someone with a high security status has except unrestricted access to high security space. Correct me if I'm wrong. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |

nikon56
UnSkilleD Inc. Reverberation Project
21
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Posted - 2013.01.14 17:34:00 -
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Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:Low security status has all kinds of handicaps and restrictions, so why are there no rewards? If EVE is about risk and reward, then -10 players need a reward to offset the vast list of restrictions placed on their toon.
For example give everyone with -10 sec status 200% payout bonuses on Pirate missions (like from Angel Cartel and Sansha agents), or maybe a discount on pirate LP stores. Something to make -10 cool again. The reward for a sec status of -5 is that people are more willing to fight you anywhere. no.
as far as i can tell, i still had the same amount of fight, whether i was 0.0 ss or now that i am -10.0. corpmembers with positive ss have no more or less fight than i do.
this has to do with the activity of the area, nothing more.
i do not especially want any reward asociated with it tho, but i have to admit this would be great. |

No More Heroes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2120
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Posted - 2013.01.14 17:47:00 -
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Minerva Zen wrote:You already got the reward; all the loot you got while going negative in the first place. Sorry if you mismanaged that and didn't score juicier kills on the way to -10.0.
I didnt really get any loot. Miniluv had a newbee pod-killing contest in Jita  Always follow orders little bees |

Solstice Project
Highsec Outlaw Elementary School
2543
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Posted - 2013.01.14 18:30:00 -
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(read this like if somebody wants to sell you something. fast. ^_^)
Lots of rewards for being -10. Much more than for being +10, tbh.
First of all, some of us are actually feared. Like ... that one guy who was moving around in his pod and saw me haul stuff in a frig ... he freaked out and warped off, because he thought i was after him. I have the mail somewhere, had him mentioned on my bio for a while. Funny story. ^_^
Then there's the benefit of actually being recognized, in comparison to a +10 who gets ignored just like every other nobody else, like ... you ? I mean ... really. We're red ! We flash ! It screams "LOOK HE'S FAMOUS!" !
Then we always have an easy way to find combat. Always ! Well ... not all of us, of course. There's no combat for those losers who hide in station, using neutral alts to seek "targets". But hey, these guys are noobs and cowards and we really ... ... we really can't blame them, really. Really ?
Really, i tell ya !
Then there's fame. If done right, there's lots ... LOTS ... of fame to be had. And money. Money ! MoneyMoneyMoneyMoney ! People throw money and ships at you !
Money, i tell ya !
Like, for example, four Cynabals. Yes. Four ! For shooting people ! For being -10 ! For not hiding ! For not needing alts ! FOUR CYNABALS ! Imagine that !
Anyway, being -10 is much more rewarding than being a +10 carebear, or +5, as reaching +10 isn't possible anymore anyway.
Ohohoh ! That reminds me ... there IS a huge reward for being +5 !
I recognize you ! And when i recognize you, several others recognize you !
Don't believe me ? Ha !
Just last week i saw a guy who was above +5 ! He had +5.1 ! Woah, +5.1 !! This small, but AWESOME fact, made me hunt him for ten minutes ! Ten minutes ! And then I finally got him in a pipe system! Ten minutes ! He would have had the ride of his life, if he would have been at the keyboard !! Too bad he missed it !
Now i hear you ask "Where's the fame ??" Well ... now he's mentioned in my bio ! And people actually read that bio ! And they laugh at people mentioned in my bio !
And there, on my bio, they see a guy with +5.1 who hast just lost his Crystal-Set ! A crystal-set ! Now if that ain't fame, i don't know what fame is !
Fame, i tell ya !
^_^ Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |

Mai Khumm
Carbon Circle Tactical Narcotics Team
409
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Posted - 2013.01.14 19:32:00 -
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Players with -10 status have the reward of "Running for their lives" in Highsec, and more "victims" are willing to engage them in lowsec...
Being a pie is reward in itself... *insert witty saying here* |

Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
468
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Posted - 2013.01.14 19:38:00 -
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Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:Low security status has all kinds of handicaps and restrictions, so why are there no rewards?
More rewards?
-Still able to travel with your ship in high sec: check -still able to to use your guns and kill other ships: check -still able to use empire facilities: check
I think I forgot some more funky stuff but whatever.
8/10 nice work.  |

Le Badass
Zealots of Bob
50
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Posted - 2013.01.14 19:42:00 -
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OP is a little confused because the reward came before the effort. |

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
1162
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Posted - 2013.01.14 19:53:00 -
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nikon56 wrote:Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:Low security status has all kinds of handicaps and restrictions, so why are there no rewards? If EVE is about risk and reward, then -10 players need a reward to offset the vast list of restrictions placed on their toon.
For example give everyone with -10 sec status 200% payout bonuses on Pirate missions (like from Angel Cartel and Sansha agents), or maybe a discount on pirate LP stores. Something to make -10 cool again. The reward for a sec status of -5 is that people are more willing to fight you anywhere. no. as far as i can tell, i still had the same amount of fight, whether i was 0.0 ss or now that i am -10.0. corpmembers with positive ss have no more or less fight than i do. this has to do with the activity of the area, nothing more. i do not especially want any reward asociated with it tho, but i have to admit this would be great.
No, I mean its an incentive thing. People are much less likely to attack you on gates or stations if you are not below -5, because they would be fighting with the penalty of gate guns.
Since my entire corp is now outlaw, it does mean however that we can't trick people into shooting our one non-outlaw guy first. We have had to adapt our tactics to that reality. |

Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
1535
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Posted - 2013.01.14 20:00:00 -
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being -10 is its own reward. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |

Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
325
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Posted - 2013.01.14 20:01:00 -
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-10 is the reward If you want instant gratification, go stimulate your genitals. EvE is Hard, deal with it. |

Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics CODE.
621
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Posted - 2013.01.14 20:29:00 -
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+1 love the idea about benefits from pirate factions. |

Karrl Tian
Exiled Assassins
155
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Posted - 2013.01.14 20:40:00 -
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Their reward is more pvp. |

Pewty McPew
Pillage Plunder And Rape Industries
156
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Posted - 2013.01.14 21:11:00 -
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Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:Low security status has all kinds of handicaps and restrictions, so why are there no rewards? If EVE is about risk and reward, then -10 players need a reward to offset the vast list of restrictions placed on their toon.
For example give everyone with -10 sec status 200% payout bonuses on Pirate missions (like from Angel Cartel and Sansha agents), or maybe a discount on pirate LP stores. Something to make -10 cool again.
You do get a reward, Concord throws a party for you (Complete with pretty fireworks) every time you enter hi-sec.
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Klyde
Big Diggers C0NVICTED
0
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Posted - 2013.01.14 21:14:00 -
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The reward for being -10 is the insane grind to get back under -2.0 so you can once again fly anywhere you want and not be bothered.
Insane!!

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Marius Deterium
Crush Kill Destroy
0
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Posted - 2013.01.14 22:39:00 -
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Quote: You do get a reward, Concord throws a party for you (Complete with pretty fireworks) every time you enter hi-sec.
No they don't. Derp. |

Solstice Project
Highsec Outlaw Elementary School
2546
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Posted - 2013.01.15 01:08:00 -
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Klyde wrote: The reward for being -10 is the insane grind to get back under -2.0 so you can once again fly anywhere you want and not be bothered. Insane!!  I keep shooting these pods, but my secstatus doesn't go up.
What am i doing wrong ??? Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |

DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
4911
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Posted - 2013.01.15 01:29:00 -
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Well, not everyone can be a +10
DMC |

Piugattuk
Lima beans Corp
291
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Posted - 2013.01.15 01:32:00 -
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Well upon reading and thinking about it, I'd say there's not much as far as rewards to reward a -10, extra rewards from agent? ?? There are already skills books to train namely criminal connections to increase rewards just the same as a +5 hi sec missioner and I cannot get access to snake implants or other nice stuff only thru pirate corps same as you may not have access to Caldari agents we have to buy them off each other.
In a real sense -10's have more freedom cause they do as they wish damn the concern with status.
It's not like they miss hi sec too much.
Low sec has it's own rewards like higher paying PVE activities.
But let me digress, I don't think there's much of anything to do. |

Qvar Dar'Zanar
EVE University Ivy League
226
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Posted - 2013.01.15 02:41:00 -
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I have no job why doesn't somebody give me a reward. |

Hannah Flex
Elite Market PvP Consortium
89
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Posted - 2013.01.15 02:42:00 -
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Qvar Dar'Zanar wrote:I have no job why doesn't somebody give me a reward.
Did you vote for Obama?  |

bongsmoke
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
86
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Posted - 2013.01.15 02:53:00 -
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Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:Low security status has all kinds of handicaps and restrictions, so why are there no rewards? If EVE is about risk and reward, then -10 players need a reward to offset the vast list of restrictions placed on their toon.
For example give everyone with -10 sec status 200% payout bonuses on Pirate missions (like from Angel Cartel and Sansha agents), or maybe a discount on pirate LP stores. Something to make -10 cool again.
Relieving someone of there "assets" is your reward. If you need more "rewards", your doing it wrong. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6351
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Posted - 2013.01.15 03:43:00 -
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I hit -10 by ECM bursting the Jita 4-4 undock a few times
It works even faster now because you get the same sec status hit as killing 100 ships at once ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |

Klyde
Big Diggers C0NVICTED
0
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Posted - 2013.01.15 04:44:00 -
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bongsmoke wrote:Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:Low security status has all kinds of handicaps and restrictions, so why are there no rewards? If EVE is about risk and reward, then -10 players need a reward to offset the vast list of restrictions placed on their toon.
For example give everyone with -10 sec status 200% payout bonuses on Pirate missions (like from Angel Cartel and Sansha agents), or maybe a discount on pirate LP stores. Something to make -10 cool again. Relieving someone of there "assets" is your reward. If you need more "rewards", your doing it wrong.
It is too bad not all use their Intellect as well as others or they would see that you can still relieve others of their assets no matter what sec status you are.....so its not limited to -10's 
You know i do think that having a pirate status should in fact raise standings with Pirate factions, maybe not huge gains or give LP but since your on that side of the law, why not get gains with those factions.? If being unlawful means you get a sec hit with concord then they should put in a balance where you get a sec gain somewhere else. ( FW.... If you kill Ge or Mim ships, you lose sec with them and you gain status with Amarr and Caldari).. Just saying  |

Trin Xi
381
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Posted - 2013.01.15 04:56:00 -
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Negative actions have negative consequences. Positive actions have positive consequences. We call the latter "rewards." You're one of those who wants a participation trophy, aren't you? Post with someone else's mainGäķ. |

Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
375
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Posted - 2013.01.15 06:42:00 -
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The reward for low sec status is what you do to actually make it lower. Speaking of pirate missions, well, if you live there I believe that your sec status is meaningless anyways. |

Oxandrolone
Bite Me inc Bitten.
112
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Posted - 2013.01.15 06:50:00 -
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I think its a good idea aswell, give the -10's some benefits for sacrificing 100% safety in highsec |

Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
4256
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Posted - 2013.01.15 06:56:00 -
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-10 Security status?
Is its own reward, its a very powerful physiological weapon as it causes fear in your prey as you shove missiles down their throat, or heck just landing on the same grid as them. It also increases the number of fights and rate of bounties being put on your head as well. So do enjoy the new status.
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Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
1593
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Posted - 2013.01.15 07:49:00 -
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Rebellion is its own reward.
Just consider your self to be in political exile. Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread
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Danee Fedorov
Legio Gemina XIII
0
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Posted - 2013.01.15 08:27:00 -
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Make Concord open fire on pods with -10 security standing This would purge high sec of troublemakers If you want pvp: send wars, fight in low/null sec, play FW. Make the High sec a safe heaven, as it should be. |

March rabbit
Aliastra
479
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Posted - 2013.01.15 08:30:00 -
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anything from troll to reasonable was told already.
I just want to add few things which weren't told before: 1. Noone forces you to lose SS. You have chosen this patch. Enjoy it. Don't like negative SS - you have lots of NPC to shoot. (however i've never understand why shooting NPC you can get your SS increased. You lower it by shooting people and should increase it by doing something to people). 2. Not sure if SS connected to standings somehow. After all this is area of CONCORD. Faction/pirate standings are different thing. |

Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
314
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Posted - 2013.01.15 09:20:00 -
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Danee Fedorov wrote:Make Concord open fire on pods with -10 security standing This would purge high sec of troublemakers If you want pvp: send wars, fight in low/null sec, play FW. Make the High sec a safe heaven, as it should be.
2/10, maybe 3 because you actually sound like you're serious.
Anyhoo on the off chance you are let me explain something. Its been spelled out many many times but I guess I can do it once more for you.
Highsec is not completely safe Highsec never will be completely safe What highsec is is safer being safer does not make you magically immune to pvp no matter how much you whine about it
Making generalisations about other EvE players is bad, mmkay. |

Kaaii
Kaaii-Net Research Labs KAAII-NET
25
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Posted - 2013.01.15 09:22:00 -
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Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:Low security status has all kinds of handicaps and restrictions, so why are there no rewards? If EVE is about risk and reward, then -10 players need a reward to offset the vast list of restrictions placed on their toon.
For example give everyone with -10 sec status 200% payout bonuses on Pirate missions (like from Angel Cartel and Sansha agents), or maybe a discount on pirate LP stores. Something to make -10 cool again.
Risk v reward...... |

Diesel47
Bad Men Ltd.
429
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Posted - 2013.01.15 10:20:00 -
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Why should you be rewarded for something that is as easy to get to as suicide podding your alt a few times in hisec? |

Hrothgar Nilsson
Black Core Federation Black Core Alliance
226
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Posted - 2013.01.15 10:27:00 -
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Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:For example give everyone with -10 sec status 200% payout bonuses on Pirate missions (like from Angel Cartel and Sansha agents), or maybe a discount on pirate LP stores. Something to make -10 cool again. Attack a few pods, get 200% payout bonuses on pirate missions.
Makes sense.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTzA_xesrL8 |

Ris Dnalor
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
419
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Posted - 2013.01.17 03:54:00 -
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Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:Low security status has all kinds of handicaps and restrictions, so why are there no rewards? If EVE is about risk and reward, then -10 players need a reward to offset the vast list of restrictions placed on their toon.
For example give everyone with -10 sec status 200% payout bonuses on Pirate missions (like from Angel Cartel and Sansha agents), or maybe a discount on pirate LP stores. Something to make -10 cool again.
let the pirate factions put bounty on concord, and give people who have -10 sec status a payout everytime a concord ship dies ;P
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118961
EvE = Everybody Vs. Everybody
- Qolde |

henqer
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.01.17 04:14:00 -
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Getting a reward for being a d**k in game and doing something you are allowed to do somewhere else but you decide to do where you are not supposed to?
Sounds to me the same as criminals asking for rewards to be criminals in real life, you know, besides what already makes them commit the crimes. |

Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
1600
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Posted - 2013.01.17 08:41:00 -
[48] - Quote
Negative security status is the "F*** You, I Do What I Want" tax levied on people who decide they don't want to play by CONCORD's rules. It's the price you pay for the privilege of shooting people who aren't legally valid targets. Mane 614
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Solstice Project
Highsec Outlaw Elementary School
2564
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Posted - 2013.01.17 09:27:00 -
[49] - Quote
henqer wrote:Getting a reward for being a d**k in game and doing something you are allowed to do somewhere else but you decide to do where you are not supposed to?
Sounds to me the same as criminals asking for rewards to be criminals in real life, you know, besides what already makes them commit the crimes. How often do people have to spell it out for you ?
"where you are not supposed to" ... is bullshit. One is perfectly supposed to do it in highsec. The way you're writing this makes it look like nobody should actually do it, which is complete bullshit.
Just because CONCORD blows one up, doesn't mean one shouldn't do what he wants to do ! Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |

henqer
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.01.17 18:07:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:henqer wrote:Getting a reward for being a d**k in game and doing something you are allowed to do somewhere else but you decide to do where you are not supposed to?
Sounds to me the same as criminals asking for rewards to be criminals in real life, you know, besides what already makes them commit the crimes. How often do people have to spell it out for you ? "where you are not supposed to" ... is bullshit. One is perfectly supposed to do it in highsec. The way you're writing this makes it look like nobody should actually do it, which is complete bullshit. Just because CONCORD blows one up, doesn't mean one shouldn't do what he wants to do !
Believe what you want. Concord blowing you up and negative status gain are pretty clear indications to me that you are not supposed to do that.
CCP allows you to be a criminal in game, that doesn't mean you should expect rewards for being one. What's next, you gonna want rewards for scammers? It's allowed in game too. |

Kerdrak
D00M. Northern Coalition.
26
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Posted - 2013.01.17 19:35:00 -
[51] - Quote
-+Podding people in low sec deserves rewards? |

Marius Deterium
Crush Kill Destroy
8
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Posted - 2013.01.18 20:45:00 -
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Kerdrak wrote:-+Podding people in low sec deserves rewards?
Supporting this. |

Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting Home Front Coalition
280
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Posted - 2013.01.19 00:49:00 -
[53] - Quote
henqer wrote:Concord blowing you up and negative status gain are pretty clear indications to me that you are not supposed to do that.
There exists code that handles what should happen if a player does those things, and to me that's no "clear indication" of anything. It's a hardcoded fact ganks are supposed to happen. When they happen, lines of code are executed. Lines of code people were paid a salary for to write. |
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