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terzho
StarFleet Enterprises Red Alliance
90
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Posted - 2013.01.15 23:11:00 -
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Join my corp. We're really good. ^_^ |
Aza Ebanu
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2013.01.15 23:14:00 -
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terzho wrote:Join my corp. We're really good. ^_^ Yeah? what is good? What do you guys do that is so good? |
Some Rando
University of Caille Gallente Federation
676
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Posted - 2013.01.15 23:17:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:lol you rat with t1 ammo. (sorry, I had to) Yes, I am space-poor, oh null-sec god.
(I actually like being space-poor, for some reason) Malcanis for CSM8 |
terzho
StarFleet Enterprises Red Alliance
90
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Posted - 2013.01.15 23:22:00 -
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Aza Ebanu wrote:terzho wrote:Join my corp. We're really good. ^_^ Yeah? what is good? What do you guys do that is so good?
Well we're a nullsec corp and our "goal" is to take some space.
http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/Verite/influence.png
We're those two little regions in the bottom right that says red alliance.
Our allaince has been around since 2005 so we've been around a long time. We're willing to take in new players if you want to get into nullsec and help us reclaim our lost home.......
So yeah pop by the in game channel "SF PUB" to apply. 07
Also our main focus is pvp. |
Lord Leftfield
The Society Calyxes
80
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Posted - 2013.01.15 23:52:00 -
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if your worried about foiling your corp history, use an alt to out source the good from the bad. Activity on comms, and people beeing around to help/do fleets is always a healthy sign. It all depends on what your after. Life is just a 420 all the way home :) Please give me more of that chocolate brew!!
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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting Home Front Coalition
273
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Posted - 2013.01.16 00:04:00 -
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Aza Ebanu wrote:This is one of the reasons I dont like the current corps. They are related to professions not any kind of goal. I read a while back that there was a corp that would purposely fly into gate camps to break them up. They would scout the camp, and then bring a fleet in to destroy the whole thing. I thought to myself that this was one of the most awesome ideas for a corp. I haven't seen anything ike it in a while.
Consider this. Your corp's goal is to inhabit and exploit lowsec system X, which is a crossroads system. Someone wants to haul in some POS fuel but there are two nasty pirates on the gate. You and a few corpies hop into your favourite PVP fits to teach them a lesson. The situation isn't that uncommon. If I'd want to find such a corp I'd probably look for a lowsec system that has a few people in it from the same corp, interact with them a bit, maybe do a friendly fight. It helps to have a clear idea on what your own goals are, and what situations you can expect in the different secs. Oh, and absolutely get on voice comms with people. Voice is such a huge difference in EvE's social aspect. |
NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises Project Wildfire
233
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Posted - 2013.01.16 00:16:00 -
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This thread contains a lot of advice from different recruiters and recruits on what to look for and what to avoid when your searching for a corp. Good luck https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=16943&find=unread |
bongsmoke
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
86
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Posted - 2013.01.16 00:58:00 -
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Send me 250m isk and I'll accept your application.
You can trust me! |
Aza Ebanu
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2013.01.16 03:18:00 -
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So I tried to join a corp and they said my corp history was bad. I've only been in 1 other corp. It was a poorly run corp, but dang 0.0 politics is crazy. It is impossible to find a "good" corp in this game. |
terzho
StarFleet Enterprises Red Alliance
90
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Posted - 2013.01.16 04:25:00 -
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Did my corp say that to you? |
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Joneleth Rein
Odysseus Co Nostradamus Effect
20
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Posted - 2013.01.16 06:34:00 -
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Here's the thing. A good corp is the corp you feel good at, regardless of your playing style. It doesn't matter whether you enjoy a megacorp environment and massive fleet battles (or logistics behind them)or a more tightly nit small gang environment,a corp needs to make you want to log in, and not shy away in another toon or in deaspace alone. After all, in Eve content is playerz, npcs can only offer so much. So instead of looking for an efficient corp and all that mumbo jumbo about killboard ratios e.t.c i'd suggest looking for a community within EVE. And the best way to do that, is to look for an alliance first,and then for a corporation within it's ranks.
An alliance,regardless of it's size will always have an assortment of corporations of different groups of people with other playstyles,working on different corp goals e.t.c Try to look for an alliance that can offer you what playstyles you find enjoyable in EVE (through their corps), then working down to a corporation that feels like a good try and you'll quickly find out what a good "corp" is. You'll score extra points in the enjoyment factor if you go for an alliance that is still working up their way and not an already established one,giving you more of a reason to log in (there's something to do!) . Unless of course you'r looking for an already established corporation that runs like clockwise to make your piles of isk or killmails while you didn't play for it and eventually get bored like the rest and win eve. Spider Pig!-áSpider Pig! Does what a Spider Pig does.. Can he swing? From a web.. No he can't. He's a pig. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
3320
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Posted - 2013.01.16 08:01:00 -
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Aza Ebanu wrote:So I tried to join a corp and they said my corp history was bad. I've only been in 1 other corp. It was a poorly run corp, but dang 0.0 politics is crazy. It is impossible to find a "good" corp in this game. That's dumb. Your corp history isn't nearly as bad as some people's, including mine. I kept hopping in and out of corps for a while there because I had no idea what I was looking for. I finally eventually decided I either wanted to do wormholes or nullsec, so I browsed related corps until I realized nullsec fit more of what I wanted to do in the game. I found this corp and went through their application process and they let me in. I've been here ever since, and I've been mostly pretty happy with it. There are some corp policies I disagree with (like being NRDS in lowsec and highsec, but I was told that's being revised). Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm |
terzho
StarFleet Enterprises Red Alliance
90
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Posted - 2013.01.16 09:35:00 -
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Well yes another way you can get into pretty much any corp you want without having to worry about all that "Political" stuff you were talking about or corp history is if you have a friend already in that corp.
That's how I got into my current corp even though I fell well below the requirement. |
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
1012
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Posted - 2013.01.16 11:11:00 -
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I do get what you are saying OP. Majority of corps have no real goals or really any purpose. Though I would recommend NOT creating your own, unless you have a lot of time, patience, and willingness to bang your head against the wall. |
Kryss Darkdust
The Skulls
190
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Posted - 2013.01.16 11:49:00 -
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In my experiance the best corps are the ones that kick your ass. I have been playing this game for a long time and have had all sorts of experiance in pretty much all aspects of the game, what I have found is that the best way to find great corps is to test their abilities through direct conflict. For example recently I was pleasantly suprised by a corp called fluffy kitten quilting company and snuggle club [SNUGL]. They war deced us and after getting some intel I thought it was somekind of joke or something, a bunch of newbs who could barely scrub a couple million skill points between all their members. A week later we are 174 million in the hole in the war. I started out arogant making fun of them and ended up respecting them a great deal.
Well organized, patient, running great fits... they got their **** together and you have to respect it.. I mean most of the people in my corp are fairly experianced pilots and we are having a lot of trouble catching them and they have an uncanny ability to be at the right place at the right time, clearly a good spy network.
This is really what your looking for in a corp and the only way to really be sure a corp has it is to war dec them and test out their skills.
If I where a new player looking for a good corp to join, I would create my own corp, and war dec people in my area until I found someone to respect, than ask to join. You would be suprised how quickly people will take you in if your respectful during the war and show some gumbtion and skill. Eventually you'll find someone. The reality of Eve is that, if you don't love it like it is today, you should probobly go ahead and unsub.-á |
Casirio
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Exhale.
332
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Posted - 2013.01.16 11:57:00 -
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Ptraci wrote:Aza Ebanu wrote:Some Rando wrote:Awox some high-sec mining corps and you'll soon find out what a good corp is and what a bad corp is. lol. That is an interesting way to do it, but really, what would a good corp offer me? What would you offer a good corp? A corp is only as good as its members and if a corp is full of selfish people who want something offered to them, that is not a good corp. A corp itself is completely irrelevant. What matters is the people that are in it, and the friendships that are made. If you have skilled people with different talents working together as a team, then you have a good corp. If you have a group of snobs acting like dictators and just pushing people around, you have a bad corp.
truer words were never spoken |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
473
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Posted - 2013.01.16 13:53:00 -
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Aza Ebanu wrote:All I see is "smallish" indy corps who mine. or "PVP "corps. WTF does that mean? RvB, FW, Null sec all are PvP corps too right?
Don't make the mistake, like many do, to assume some corporation activity to alliance reputation/activity.
In null you can have industrial corps that are not that experienced in pvp and it's ok, pvp guys need stuff and in return industrials need some protection. This goes on an on for whatever activity you might think in Eve so before you make yourself an idea about some corp just because of the Alliance tag, or the other way around, get as much information as you can. Try to discuss with some recruiter officer or directors from said Corporations and make yourself an idea.
Important: never ever accept to move all your assets before you know who you're dealing with, eventually to the closest NPC station but that should be all.
Move to your destination with an empty clone, cloaky cheapo fit bomber and buy one/two ships for regular activities/fleet "in situ", if you bother people when you start asking questions about reimbursement programs, corp facilities you can use, advantages they offer to you being there and supporting their main activity, then move away and don't look back.
Don't pay application fees or whatever crap, you're being owned. Get out of your pockets some minor monthly contribution (null sec) can be ok once you become regular member, before you do just don't.
Simple: for bad corps you're simply a milky cow, for good corps you can/should be/become THE asset they want and whatever you might have in your hangar or wallet it's not really what matters to them because assets, you can build them overtime.
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Solstice Project
Highsec Outlaw Elementary School
2562
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Posted - 2013.01.16 14:16:00 -
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Try me. It seems to be what you want. Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
Pookie McPook
The Whiskers of Kurvi-Tasch
16
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Posted - 2013.01.16 14:27:00 -
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Aza Ebanu wrote:How can you tell weather or not a corp is any good? I really would like to join a corp, But how do you know what makes a good one? I have thought of making my own, but how could I know it would be good?
You have to suck a lot of lemons to find the perfect Tequila slammer. The downside of this of course is that your employment history might mark you down as a persistent corp hopper.
To complicate things even further, you can find the "perfect corp" that suits your aspirations precisely only to find it operates outwith your available play times.
Teaming up with RL friends is the ideal however usually impractical.
tldr; You get lucky. |
Nuela
Beacon Light Corporation Beacon Light Alliance
142
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Posted - 2013.01.16 15:56:00 -
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Hopefully some practical advice for newer players
When you are checking out the forums or recruitment channel for a new corp...
- A corp that does everything does nothing. Ignore the corps that say they do THIS and THAT and THE OTHER THING and THIS TO.
- Check out how big it is. A rule of thumb is that the first 6 members of a corp are the CEO and his alts. After that about 1 in 10 will be active. So 86 sized corp may have about 8 active members. A 12 person corp maybe 2.
-Be picky. Before you join a corp hang in their public channel for a few days. See if you like what you hear. Just don't get suckered into a CEO talking amongst his alts.
- Look at when the corp was created. If new, don't expect much. Look for a corp that that has been around multiple years.
- Do a forum and web search of the corp. See if you like what you see.
- Make sure you join a time appropriate corp. If you play during U.S. Prime, don't join a Euro corp. Don't get suckered into "we are all TZ" corp (see first point above)
- One should play Eve with at least 2 accounts. Use one account to screen corps so that you don't mess up your employment history with your main. If your alt likes the corp after you join, ask to bring in your main (or 'alt' as you will tell them).
- If you find a good corp, stick with them. Your corp/alliance will run into some rough times but this is the time to show your sticktoitiveness. Most Eve players run off at the first sign of difficulty.
- Look at the CEO's/leaders' behavior. No matter what you do...mining, 0.0, PvP, whatever....the best characteristic is a CEO that is very logistics orientated. Remember the old military saying...."Amateurs talk about strategy and tactics. Professionals talk about Logistics".
- Support your corp/alliance. Be an active supporter of it. Don't be taken advantage of...but don't be low contributer as well.
- Do not steal or corp thief. Isk is easy in Eve. Good friends are harder to find. |
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Aza Ebanu
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2013.01.16 18:12:00 -
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Nuela wrote:Hopefully some practical advice for newer players
When you are checking out the forums or recruitment channel for a new corp...
- A corp that does everything does nothing. Ignore the corps that say they do THIS and THAT and THE OTHER THING and THIS TO.
- Check out how big it is. A rule of thumb is that the first 6 members of a corp are the CEO and his alts. After that about 1 in 10 will be active. So 86 sized corp may have about 8 active members. A 12 person corp maybe 2.
-Be picky. Before you join a corp hang in their public channel for a few days. See if you like what you hear. Just don't get suckered into a CEO talking amongst his alts.
- Look at when the corp was created. If new, don't expect much. Look for a corp that that has been around multiple years.
- Do a forum and web search of the corp. See if you like what you see.
- Make sure you join a time appropriate corp. If you play during U.S. Prime, don't join a Euro corp. Don't get suckered into "we are all TZ" corp (see first point above)
- One should play Eve with at least 2 accounts. Use one account to screen corps so that you don't mess up your employment history with your main. If your alt likes the corp after you join, ask to bring in your main (or 'alt' as you will tell them).
- If you find a good corp, stick with them. Your corp/alliance will run into some rough times but this is the time to show your sticktoitiveness. Most Eve players run off at the first sign of difficulty.
- Look at the CEO's/leaders' behavior. No matter what you do...mining, 0.0, PvP, whatever....the best characteristic is a CEO that is very logistics orientated. Remember the old military saying...."Amateurs talk about strategy and tactics. Professionals talk about Logistics".
- Support your corp/alliance. Be an active supporter of it. Don't be taken advantage of...but don't be low contributer as well.
- Do not steal or corp thief. Isk is easy in Eve. Good friends are harder to find. What has this game come to? A CEO with six alts? 1 in 10 active members? I agree that most "we do it all corps" don't do much. TBH this is all I see in the recruitment channel. To your point about logistics, I agree and I think most players who do industry fall into this category (unfortunately for me). |
Aza Ebanu
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2013.01.16 18:25:00 -
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UPDATE:
Ok so I hit the recruitment channel and post my skill points and what I am looking for in a corp. It takes a good 30 seconds to get a reply. I then get convo'd by the most over zealous CEO I have ever seen. He as what I am looking for, I tell him. He says: "well that could happen.... Do you like industry?" Then a whole series of questions and a request for my API before he has ever said anything about his corp. BTW his corp only has 3 members in it, so thats like one account of alts? |
Agreh Tensenn
Tensenn Industries
5
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Posted - 2013.01.16 21:03:00 -
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Aza Ebanu wrote:I mean goodness is there a corp out there that does PVP and mining in tandem to the benefit of the entire corp? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmnLU0raXXw |
Aza Ebanu
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2013.01.16 21:28:00 -
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Nice video, but corps like yours are a dime a dozen. Everyone offers small gang PVP in their own little worm hole or low sec system. I guess what I'm saying is that most corps are about making isk, getting a bunch o players together for "good fights". There is nothing new about it. |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
627
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Posted - 2013.01.16 21:54:00 -
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Aza Ebanu wrote:How can you tell weather or not a corp is any good? I really would like to join a corp, But how do you know what makes a good one? I have thought of making my own, but how could I know it would be good? What makes mega null sec alliances so "good"?
You need to decide what you want to do in EVE. By the time you've figured that out you'll have been in a couple/several corporations. Once that's happened ask yourself a few questions:
1. Will this corporation/alliance let me have fun? If the corporation/alliance forces you into many mandatory things you do not like such as CTAs or meetings they are not the corporation for you as the point of the game is to have fun.
2. Is this corporation/alliance fit my level of activity? If the corporation/alliance has no one on while you are on then you might as well be in your own one-man corporation. If the corporation requires you to be more active than you can afford to be then see point one they most likely don't meet that point and you should move on. That's only the most likely case though there are exceptions where they will be perfectly fine with your lesser than average participation.
3. Does this corporation/alliance have an unhealthy obsession with pointless numbers? If they're obsessed with killboards, spreadsheets, SP or other meaningless numbers I suggest you move on. In these groups you will often find semi-competent unfriendly people that will make the game less fun for yourself. Getting hung up over things that don't matter makes the game much less enjoyable.
4. Do I like the corporation/alliance's culture(This is why mega nullsec alliances are good)? If you want to be an ~honourable pvper~ and are trying to join some pirate organization this is a bad fit and you should move on. Make sure you enjoy and can mesh with the culture. I highly suggest you avoid culture's that consider themselves ~elite~ those are most likely to be highly poisonous environments that will eventually make you hate the game.
As long as you can satisfy those points you should be able to find an organization you like in any part of space. Remember to try as many things as possible so you can find your own niche and while you're searching you will find several bad organizations. Don't be discouraged by this instead make what you can of the situation if they are particularly asinine there is plenty of "retribution" you can merit out to them. Eventually you will find one you like. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. |
Aza Ebanu
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2013.01.16 22:19:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:Aza Ebanu wrote:How can you tell weather or not a corp is any good? I really would like to join a corp, But how do you know what makes a good one? I have thought of making my own, but how could I know it would be good? What makes mega null sec alliances so "good"? You need to decide what you want to do in EVE. By the time you've figured that out you'll have been in a couple/several corporations. Once that's happened ask yourself a few questions: 1. Will this corporation/alliance let me have fun? If the corporation/alliance forces you into many mandatory things you do not like such as CTAs or meetings they are not the corporation for you as the point of the game is to have fun. 2. Is this corporation/alliance fit my level of activity? If the corporation/alliance has no one on while you are on then you might as well be in your own one-man corporation. If the corporation requires you to be more active than you can afford to be then see point one they most likely don't meet that point and you should move on. That's only the most likely case though there are exceptions where they will be perfectly fine with your lesser than average participation. 3. Does this corporation/alliance have an unhealthy obsession with pointless numbers? If they're obsessed with killboards, spreadsheets, SP or other meaningless numbers I suggest you move on. In these groups you will often find semi-competent unfriendly people that will make the game less fun for yourself. Getting hung up over things that don't matter makes the game much less enjoyable. 4. Do I like the corporation/alliance's culture(This is why mega nullsec alliances are good)? If you want to be an ~honourable pvper~ and are trying to join some pirate organization this is a bad fit and you should move on. Make sure you enjoy and can mesh with the culture. I highly suggest you avoid culture's that consider themselves ~elite~ those are most likely to be highly poisonous environments that will eventually make you hate the game. As long as you can satisfy those points you should be able to find an organization you like in any part of space. Remember to try as many things as possible so you can find your own niche and while you're searching you will find several bad organizations. Don't be discouraged by this instead make what you can of the situation if they are particularly asinine there is plenty of "retribution" you can merit out to them. Eventually you will find one you like.
I'm running into a lot of # 2s and 3s. How can you tell the culture of a huge alliance though? |
Ptraci
3 R Corporation The Irukandji
1202
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Posted - 2013.01.18 00:03:00 -
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Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote: In null you can have industrial corps that are not that experienced in pvp and it's ok, pvp guys need stuff and in return industrials need some protection.
BS. "Industrial" corps are a liability, full of whiners who insist that they are more special than "mere" PvPers because they bought some BPO's. Then they build drakes and put them on the market for Jita price, and claim that they are "helping the alliance". But god forbid you dare ask one to get in a frigate with a point on it, you'll never hear the end of it. These little princesses don't have those skills at all, no no,12 hrs training time is too much of a sacrifice "for the alliance"
Ya know what? I own a rorqual. Level 4 boosts. When I have my implant clone installed, my mining lasers reach out and touch rocks 28km away, with a cycle time around 100 secs. And yet I also have maxxed gunnery skills. When a neutral jumps in system I park my industrial ships, hop in my zealot, my falcon or my sabre, and go blap the crap out of them. I fly fleet doctrine ships on every CTA. I'm always happy to provide my black ops battleship to hot drop people.
And I don't go around claiming that I'm "helping the alliance" by selling people stuff they can buy elsewhere in greater quantity, and selling it for a profit.
Anyone who calls himself an "industrial" player is a bad, useless EVE player. Then there are good EVE players, who can build things in-between roams, and very much enjoy PvP. There is nothing I can't mine or build. I can do everything the industrial player can. But I can also PvP. The industrial player can't do that. At all.
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Aza Ebanu
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2013.01.18 04:15:00 -
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So one of my alts joined a corp two days straight the only person to log in is the CEO. I don't mind building a corp from the ground up but lazy CEOs wont even delegate recruitment to the active members because they want to "meet" the recruits. I say if you want to meet them log in. |
penifSMASH
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
144
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Posted - 2013.01.18 05:38:00 -
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Everyone has been usually nice to you in this thread, and I don't understand why.
It sounds like you have absolutely no idea what you want out of EVE. Unless I missed it, you haven't actually stated what you're looking for out of a corp and instead are just floating around trying to stumble onto something good in the recruitment channel. I thought at first you might be looking for a PvP corp but it's abundantly clear from your posts you have very little, if any, experience with any form of PvP whether it is in null, low, or high-sec. Then I thought you might be an industrialist/miner but you scoff at corps that even mention the word "industry".
The sad part is you said you've been playing since 2004. It's been nine years and you still haven't figured it out.
P.S. - Starfleet Enterprises is a terrible and desperate corp, as you can see from their attempts at recruiting you from this thread P.P.S. - in-game recruitment channel is where the trashbin corps of EVE find recruits |
Tarpedo
Incursionista
10
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Posted - 2013.01.18 05:48:00 -
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From my experience most interesting corps are C4-6 WH-space corps - they have actual / profitable "job" to do which requires certain (high) level of collaboration. Others mostly just wasting their time while pursuing strange or non-existent or non-profitable goals. |
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