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TheBlueMonkey Don't Be a Menace That Red Alliance 349	Posted - 2013.01.17 14:56:00 - [1] - Quote If eve turns into a theme park I'm done. That's not a "QQ WAAAAAAAAAAA I R NO PLAY TOYZ EXITING PRAM" comment. I started playing eve because it's a sandbox and I get to do what I want and set my own goals. If things turn into a theme park and I all there is is to following along and repeat the same 5 quests over and over again, ala wow. I'll just go find something else to do, as depressing as that is.
TheBlueMonkey Don't Be a Menace That Red Alliance 349	Posted - 2013.01.17 15:13:00 - [2] - Quote Mister S Burke wrote: TheBlueMonkey wrote: all there is is to following along and repeat the same 5 quests over and over again, ala wow. I'll just go find something else to do, as depressing as that is. 5 different quests you say? What kind of game would just have the same few missions.... oh wait That'd be why I avoid PvE as much as I can. Although at least eve is fairly honest about how repetitive it's PvE content is. Unlike WoW where "fiends" kept telling me "it gets awesome at level x" or "raids are amazing". So I ground my way though fetch quest, escort quest, rescue quest, kill x of y quest and kill x to get why quests from level 1-70. Stopping occasionally to do the odd instance where I had to get and kill x and then I get to go on a raid... well.. not yet, first I need to get special armor blah blah, so I go and get that. NOW I can raid, wait... this is just an instance... no it is, we're just trudging through waves of mobs and we're on our way to kill x. This is exactly the same as every other one... and then I quit. One of the most boring experience I've had while gaming. Loss meant nothing because when I failed I lost nothing. Other people were nothing as I had little to gain from them and nothing to lose to them. That total lack of consequences just lead to a hollow game of repetition. Anyway, Theme park MMO's fail because there's no way of generating enough new content to keep players distracted long enough for you to generate more new content. Plus it necessitates power creep which just kills all the early content that you create. Go watch a WoW level 80 do the old level 60 raids solo. I really hope that CCP don't follow the accounts advice and head this way. Pay attention to the people who know about game design, not the people who know about money.
TheBlueMonkey Don't Be a Menace That Red Alliance 350	Posted - 2013.01.17 15:22:00 - [3] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Malcanis wrote: What's good about EVE other than that the players are allowed the maximum possible freedom to interact with each other? Many people don't want freedom, they want guaranteed positive outcomes (just like in real life lol). Most MMOs try to give them that, which is why most fail. Do you remember how awesome Starwars galaxies was when becoming a Jedi was hard? And a 10 vs 1 fight was fair because Jedi's were badass? That was awesome, huge amounts of fun and when you met a Jedi it was all "ooooo, you're amazings" Then they changed it so EVERYONE was a Jedi within 5mins of starting the game... and then subscriptions fell away. Anything worth having is rarely easy to acquire and easy to acquire things are rarely worth having.
TheBlueMonkey Don't Be a Menace That Red Alliance 354	Posted - 2013.01.17 16:41:00 - [4] - Quote Captain Tardbar wrote: Jint Hikaru wrote: Speaking as someone who avoids PvP and is fairly carebear (but not afraid to go into WH or low/zero sec when needed).... Making Hisec fully non-pvp will not be good for the game. It may bring in, or retain, a few more players.... but the game as a whole will loose a lot of its street cred. And also probably loose some of its longer standing players. I don't know. The truth of the matter EvE the game and its subsequent development will only be around if there are many subscriptions paying the bills. So lets say there are 450,000 subscriptions and we'll just assume that everyone pays $14.95 per month to play (this is obviously not the case since Plex is actually more and some people pay less by paying yearly for their subscriptions. Also this in USD and no the Euro excludes taxes). So the total CCP makes gross per month is $6,727,500 If 1% of players quite because of ganking then that is 4500 players which doesn't seem like a lot over all. But that is $67,275 in lost revenue. Thats more than a years worth for a computer programmer used to advance eve. The numbers might even be higher depending (it might be lower as we don't have the numbers of ganks from CCP). Now the question you have to ask is "Will more people quit EvE because they can't gank than quite because they are ganked?" If the answer is more people will quit because they are ganked then obviously CCP is finacially obligated as a business to cut back on the possible ganking. The best evidence to prove that CCP actually loses subscriptions (and money) due to ganking is simply the fact they buffed minging barges after hulkageddon. If there was no finacial reason to buff the mining barges they would not have spent the resources (development, Q&A, and balancing) to actually have made the change. In conclusion the truth of the matter is CCP is obligated as a business to reduce ganking and other activies that reduce subscriptions. I predict this will happen whether you protest on the forums or not as the forums are only a fraction of the player base. I suspect CCP knows that gankers will just play other forms of PvP when they nerf ganking in the future. erm... no Firstly you'd need to work out how much CCP bring in from EVE, then work out their running cost of eve. If running cost is less than total income then there's no actual obligation to do anything short of wanting more profit. Now, you estimate that if 45,000 people leave that game that's around 70k. In all honesty, I'd rather they laid off 2 developers to cover that shortfall rather than change the mechanics to suite a minority. Also, this perception that we need more and more subscriptions bothers me. Why do we need more people? If eve has been going along for 10 years or so then it's not running at a loss is it. If running costs do exceed income then work on reducing running costs. Eve is a game that generates it's own content so it's not like you need people to create new theme park rides all the time. I'd be more than happy if CCP didn't release any now content for the next 2-5 years and just focused purely on fixing broken parts of the games, fleshing out previous ideas and making general game play improvements.
TheBlueMonkey Don't Be a Menace That Red Alliance 354	Posted - 2013.01.17 16:45:00 - [5] - Quote Fanatic Row wrote: hi-sec is the incubator in EVE. I've just got this mental image of a 30 year old man stuck in a baby incubator complaining it's cramped and boring while a load of others are looking at him perplexed and wondering why he doesn't just come out of the incubator and come play paintball with them. Some people just don't want to remove the training wheels I guess.
TheBlueMonkey Don't Be a Menace That Red Alliance 356	Posted - 2013.01.17 17:01:00 - [6] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Where is the evidence of decreasing subs during player created ganking events like Hulkageddon? THAT would be proff that would stand up in a court. That would be proof of correlation, not causation. Two VERY different things. It's actually quite hard to prove why people leave unless in the exit poll they put "I'm leaving because I keep getting blown up when I do stupid things"
TheBlueMonkey Don't Be a Menace That Red Alliance 357	Posted - 2013.01.17 17:12:00 - [7] - Quote Captain Tardbar wrote: You are a miner and enjoy mining. I'm sorry, I don't understand. Do you mean You are a person who likes passive income while they watch movies\tv shows\looking at pictures of cats?
TheBlueMonkey Don't Be a Menace That Red Alliance 360	Posted - 2013.01.17 17:28:00 - [8] - Quote Captain Tardbar wrote: They are doing it in order to maximize their profit. I hate this notion so much, it literally pains me to hear every time and my knee jerk reaction is "***** Metica -¼_-¼" Yes a company should make a profit otherwise it'll go out of business but it should also have the sense to see that as long as it's in profit things are good. It shouldn't squeeze every last bit out out of it's customers. It leads to a drab and boring world. You know the biggest issue I have with it? It takes us from things like this http://gallery.antiquevending.com/ebner8.jpg To this http://maxcdn.fooyoh.com/files/attach/images/3004/345/422/004/coke.jpg We go from a beautifully crafted item that's made to last and generates a good company image to a drab box that soullessly takes our money. All because someone went "well out old machines cost us $20,000 to make and $5,000 to run and these new ones are $10,000 to make and $1,000 to run." Wooo, you saved a buck, but at what cost? An unquantifiable one. Well done on completely missing what Ford was trying to say by "There is one rule for the industrialist and that is: Make the best quality of goods** possible at the lowest cost possible, paying the highest wages possible"

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