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Zegna Mirage
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Posted - 2005.06.27 21:57:00 -
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First of all, i want to state that this is strictly not a "crying" post. I'm merely stating the facts here.
Amarr weaponry.. Lasers..
OK.. since the start of the EVE game.. there have been lots of changes to the laser and projectile weapons.. at some time, the projectile weapons were useless.. than they got upgraded now lasers are useles.. why? you'll see.. now I'm a total Amarr and laser user. All my gunnery skills are maxed out and my Amarr BS is 5. Now, the only 2 viable weaponry that we can use are the pulse lasers and mega&tachyons. Although people still claim that pulse's aren't that bad, after the last patch. .they were literally wiped out of the choice list.. there's even a considerable damage decrease in the multifrecuency region, altho admins say otherwise.
tachyons? ok, 4250pg.. (i'm strictly using t2 items) now.. not even an apoc can fit SIX tach2's without an RC. Apart from that, tach's deliver too less damage when compared to its disadvantages, which are the pg requirements, cap usage, low rof vs.). Mega beams are better than tachs but still.. they require too much pg and give not enough damage.
Amarr tanking
ok.. armor tanking.. not so good a choice.. after the last updates, shield tanking is CONSIDERABLY better than armor tanking. you do the math
in general, while you can fit a Mega soo easily with any kinda tank and with 7 blasters fit, you have to have at least 2 rc's to fit a good tank in an apoc with tachs or mega's. you need heat sinks to do good damage which rule out the tanking option.
I appreciate the ongoing efforts of the staff at trying to balance all the weapons but IMO this is how it is atm:
hybrid>pro>laser (talking bout turrets)
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Aleis
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Posted - 2005.06.27 22:04:00 -
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I don't know, i don't fly them but I typicaly hear people saying the Amar ships tank just fine if not best
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Tragar
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Posted - 2005.06.27 22:10:00 -
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dood pulses pwn. t2 gank 4tw :D
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Branmuffin
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Posted - 2005.06.27 22:12:00 -
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Megapulses's needed a nerf.
That being said, I do see the need for beam PG use to be decreased a touch.
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Selim
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Posted - 2005.06.27 22:12:00 -
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lolololololololololololo
Sorry, this thread made me burst out laughing.
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Blind Fear
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Posted - 2005.06.27 22:13:00 -
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Oh yeah. The blaster mega is way too easy to fit and just pwns way too much.
Are you high or just retarded?
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Kaleeb
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Posted - 2005.06.27 22:14:00 -
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UMMM how many mega's do you know that can fit 7 t2 neutrons with a full tank, and some sort of propulsion to get within 10k? cpu sucks on a mega... large lasers are fine, its the small lasers that need a small boost. e.g fitting small pulse on ceptors is next to useless and beams drain way to much cap and use alot of grid
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Frank Horrigan
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Posted - 2005.06.27 22:18:00 -
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Amarr ships and lasers are fine actuily.
one change and only change i would like would be mega beam to have mabye 10-15% more base dammage mod..
Pulse are really for pvp.. where you can keep your target in range, they are not so good for npcs since they go preety fast at vairying ranges...
mega beam are really the best I think, and if you have to fit a rcu, you can still run your tank for a long time. just need some cap management skills (not actuily skill book, real skill on when to activate the things)
Ii only have large turret 3, and lvl 4 of the other skills.. and lasers do fine for me...
Personaly i hate hybrids and megathrons.. megathron has a lot less cap, like 30% or something then an apoc., blasters are VERY range limited, you need a webifer and a mwd to actuily hit anything with them.
I think its more like lasers>projectles>hybrids.
I tried a dom with dual 250s and it just sucked so bad, i did the same dammage as a small crusier, and it was hard to kill crusier rats.., tired a megathron, the blasters could not hit ANYTHING under a battleship inless it was going like 0-10m transversial, the dammage was ok. but considering you can only run a small tank... it sucks for anything besides pvp. With rails its a driffrent story though.. havent really tried those yet atleast on a megathron.
projectiels are ok.. cept minmatar ships are very hard to tank 
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slip66
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Posted - 2005.06.27 22:22:00 -
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With the possible exception of small beams, I'd have to say lasers are doing ok atm. Not uber but not worst. It's just a matter of fitting requirments for the beams and or powergrid for the AF,ceptors and HAC. Though caldari and min can say the same for thier ships.
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Meridius
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Posted - 2005.06.27 22:27:00 -
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 Originally by: Selim
lolololololololololololo
Sorry, this thread made me burst out laughing.
I skimmed through and saw something about a mega pwning with blasters then started
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Tenashi
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Posted - 2005.06.27 22:30:00 -
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nothing wrong with mega beams, go fly a geddon for a while with named mega beams and lets hear u compplain then
otherwise, go fly a raven
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danneh
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Posted - 2005.06.27 22:43:00 -
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id like to be able to fit 7 tach II's and the mega can fit 7 425's II's without anymods other then that the lasers are fine, id like an offensive bonus for the apoc, (dmg,tracking,optimal or something.) i'm a dreamer 
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2005.06.27 22:46:00 -
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typical mistake of the apoc addicte dpilots again.
Fly a geddon if you want pvp damage.
I dont fly a domi into a long range fleet battle either do I ?
Pcik the ship to fit the role. A megabeam geddon an be very very mean for its cost. And an apoc with beams or pulses still bring alot of damage, just not as much as damage specialised BS of other races, but then again, that's how it should be.
Oh, and your MF pulse damage reduction si the effect of tracking. You know, the thing every other gun in the game had to take into account, just not pulse laser users ?
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2005.06.27 22:48:00 -
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Originally by: danneh
id like to be able to fit 7 tach II's and the mega can fit 7 425's II's without anymods other then that the lasers are fine, id like an offensive bonus for the apoc, (dmg,tracking,optimal or something.) i'm a dreamer
Sure, if they cut apoc cap by 30%, cap recharge by 30%, hitpoints by 40%, remove the cap use bonus and cut tach tracking by half as well, you can have a damage bonus like the mega and reduce tach grid use to manaegable proportions.
Other then that, see above.
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Dionysus Davinci
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Posted - 2005.06.27 23:04:00 -
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Edited by: Dionysus Davinci on 27/06/2005 23:04:47
Originally by: Rod Blaine
Originally by: danneh
id like to be able to fit 7 tach II's and the mega can fit 7 425's II's without anymods other then that the lasers are fine, id like an offensive bonus for the apoc, (dmg,tracking,optimal or something.) i'm a dreamer
Sure, if they cut apoc cap by 30%, cap recharge by 30%, hitpoints by 40%, remove the cap use bonus and cut tach tracking by half as well, you can have a damage bonus like the mega and reduce tach grid use to manaegable proportions.
Other then that, see above.
, Yet so  because it is true.
The only think I agree about is that Armor tank is pointless next patch. Get a shield tanker that can choose its damage types. AKA RAVEN.
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Selim
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Posted - 2005.06.27 23:29:00 -
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Now would be an excellent time to invest in ravens.
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Elve Sorrow
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Posted - 2005.06.27 23:43:00 -
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Did you know that an Apoc with MWD has more cap then a Megathron without?
/Elve
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Zaintiraris
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Posted - 2005.06.27 23:55:00 -
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Little Billy: Look Ma, a horse!
Ma: Hmm...looks dead. Hmmmm, wait.
Little Billy: Let's go Ma! Let's go lookit!
Ma: Now Billy, you know that isn't a horse. Thats discussions about Lasers.
Little Billy: But...but...thats UNPOSSABLE! I want to BEAT it like a horse!
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Originally by: CCP Hammer
This game was so much better back before people knew math.
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Jim Steele
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Posted - 2005.06.28 00:03:00 -
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Originally by: Zegna Mirage
while you can fit a Mega soo easily with any kinda tank and with 7 blasters fit, you have to have at least 2 rc's to fit a good tank in an apoc with tachs or mega's. you need heat sinks to do good damage which rule out the tanking option.
dude im not being funny or anything but what do you expect, the megapulse and tachs are long range blasters are short range.
Try megapulses if you want to tank, ok you cant pwn from long range but you can tank
damage really easily with some decent armour repairers (accoms 4 teh win1).
The T2 pulse lasers hit from 15k with MF and 26K with UV which is FINE imho. just use a std 3 hardner 2 repairer 2 cpr combo and possibly a Ab in the mids and you can get in close kill the rats and then go back home for a smoked kipper.
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Johnny Bravo
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Posted - 2005.06.28 00:30:00 -
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Haha. Lets see it:
Ganking long-range setup. Arma vs Mega:
6 Megabeams Vs 7 425s. 6 megabeams will do slightly more damage, but rails have slightly more range. Megabeams also dont reload and track better. Neither at big advantage or disadvantage.
Close range ganking: 7 megapulses vs 7 neutrons... we all know what even after nerf megapulses have much higher range than blasters with just equal damage. Megapulses win.
Tanking: Mega vs Apoc... you know the outcome.
Whats all the crying about?
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DarkFenix
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Posted - 2005.06.28 00:42:00 -
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Hes crying cos his uber powerful weapons were nerfed and now he cant instagank anything
I wonder, has this guy ever used anything besides lasers? A hint pal, go fly megathrons and tempests for a while, then come back and moan.
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Khargos
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Posted - 2005.06.28 00:43:00 -
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Edited by: Khargos on 28/06/2005 00:43:39
god you people are jerks,
evedently not many of you have even tried fitting an apoc for reasonable range combat.
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slip66
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Posted - 2005.06.28 01:22:00 -
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Originally by: Khargos
Edited by: Khargos on 28/06/2005 00:43:39
god you people are jerks,
evedently not many of you have even tried fitting an apoc for reasonable range combat.
whats your definition of reasonable range? I can fit t2 Tachyons, no tank and do some very nice damage out to 120km+.
I can use mega beams which gives decent/ok long to mid range fire power with a ok tank aswell.
Close range on a apoc with t2 megapulse gives me good short to medium range and I can tank well. Not well enough in todays pvp combat but no probs against most npcs.
Or if I want all out close to medium raneg damage I can go with a geddon/MP+8 t2 dmg mods.
You cant have your cake and eat it too... You can do something very well at a cost of being weak some where else. Rock, paper, scissors. You will never get to fit 7 t2 tacyons kill anything and tank a gank squad at the same time.
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lollerskates
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Posted - 2005.06.28 01:28:00 -
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Edited by: lollerskates on 28/06/2005 01:31:48
What he's saying about the fitting is true, an apoc with 2 large reps can only hold 4 tachyon II's, while a megathron with 2 large reps can hold 5 425mm II's, however the megathron gets a damage and tracking bonus. You can take dual accommos and still fit 7 350 II's on a thron, but only 5 megabeam II's on an apoc. Assuming the pilot has the gallente bs skill at 4, their 7 350 II's get 20% more damage and tracking each, while the apoc pilot has 5 megabeams with no damage or tracking bonus. I've always looked at the apoc as a ship that is pretty useless as a long range gunship, almost a step DOWN from the geddon, but is more designed for bizarre setups that carry tons of nosses and neuts.
Edit: Also, for the insane reqs for a tachyon, they should do more damage. I compated a tachyon and a megabeam on a geddon with a bunch of damage mods: the tachyon did 90 DPS while the megabeam did 88. In my opinion that's a pretty pathetic difference.
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Blind Fear
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Posted - 2005.06.28 02:05:00 -
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Originally by: lollerskates
Edited by: lollerskates on 28/06/2005 01:31:48
What he's saying about the fitting is true, an apoc with 2 large reps can only hold 4 tachyon II's, while a megathron with 2 large reps can hold 5 425mm II's, however the megathron gets a damage and tracking bonus. You can take dual accommos and still fit 7 350 II's on a thron, but only 5 megabeam II's on an apoc. Assuming the pilot has the gallente bs skill at 4, their 7 350 II's get 20% more damage and tracking each, while the apoc pilot has 5 megabeams with no damage or tracking bonus.
And the mega gets the cap to run his weapons and tank for around 90 seconds. The apoc runs his forever.
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Hllaxiu
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Posted - 2005.06.28 02:19:00 -
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Originally by: Elve Sorrow
Did you know that an Apoc with MWD has more cap then a Megathron without?
Shhh, some of us are in denial.
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hafhal
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Posted - 2005.06.28 03:08:00 -
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if an apoc fits 2 rcu II to fit 8 mega beams and the mega fits 2 mag stabs II instead, and the both fit one acomm the outcome is like this. assuming BS level 5 and weapon upgrades lvl 5
Mega
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pg left = 1569
cpu left = 234,5
slots left = 1 hi , 4 meds , 4 low
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Mega = 26% more damage
Mega = 25% better falloff
Mega = 67% bigger drone bay
Mega = 20% less cap needed to run guns
Mega = 13% more struct
Mega = 8,7% faster
Mega = 7,5% longer locking range
Mega = 5% higher sensor strength
Mega = 4,65% lighter
Mega = 13.3% better kinetic resistance
Mega = 100% cooler
Apoc
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Pg left = 1635
cpu left = 228
slots left = 4 med , 4 low
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Apoc = 33% better cap recharge
Apoc = 5% better tracking
Apoc = 11% better optimal range
Apoc = 13% more armor
Apoc = 11.1% better explosive hardness
summary : Mega = Faster , better , and more productive
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.06.28 03:37:00 -
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Edited by: DrunkenOne on 28/06/2005 03:39:23
Seriously we need to introduce this thread starter to the "omgmyravensux" thread whiners. It would be the most classic thread ship & modules has ever seen.
The raven guy would be whining about how missiles suck and armor tanking rules and the apoc is uber with lasers and tank, and the apoc guy would be whining about how apoc sucks and lasers suck and shield tanking ravens is much better than armor tanking apocs.
Then me and selim can come in and whine about minmatar, meri can come in and whine about pulses, and then hell, lets get rod in there to whine about megathrons.
An all BS sux thread 4tw!
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keepiru
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Posted - 2005.06.28 04:14:00 -
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Originally by: DrunkenOne
Edited by: DrunkenOne on 28/06/2005 03:39:23
Seriously we need to introduce this thread starter to the "omgmyravensux" thread whiners. It would be the most classic thread ship & modules has ever seen.
The raven guy would be whining about how missiles suck and armor tanking rules and the apoc is uber with lasers and tank, and the apoc guy would be whining about how apoc sucks and lasers suck and shield tanking ravens is much better than armor tanking apocs.
Then me and selim can come in and whine about minmatar, meri can come in and whine about pulses, and then hell, lets get rod in there to whine about megathrons.
An all BS sux thread 4tw!
can i whine abouth the cap recharge on the geddon, stacking penalty and how fugly the domi is?
and also:
I endorse this post
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Posted - 2005.06.28 07:47:00 -
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Originally by: DrunkenOne
Edited by: DrunkenOne on 28/06/2005 03:39:23
An all BS sux thread 4tw!
The best idea in ages. It deserves a big, sloppy kiss...
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