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Tippia
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Posted - 2013.01.17 17:53:00 -
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Gent BF wrote:I don't get it..
why you call it a DUEL if others can still Interfere ? Because it's a duel?
There's nothing about duels that makes it impossible for people to interfere GÇö it's just dishonourable to do so. If you choose pistols at dawn, the roving band of bandits that happen to find you, and decide to rob you blind, will not particularly care about the elegance of your second's cravat or the eloquence of the challenge you make to your opponent. They will just want you to hand over the guns, valuables and silk socks.
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Tippia
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Posted - 2013.01.17 18:50:00 -
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Rordan D'Kherr wrote:Duels in hisec GǪhave existed since roughly forever. Why are people so upset that they're restoring lost functionality? Is it because the issuer can't call in the help from his logi alts with impunity any more?
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Tippia
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Posted - 2013.01.17 19:29:00 -
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Rordan D'Kherr wrote:You missed the point, which is this bufnitza calatoare wrote:this is 1 to 3 steps away from high sec arena's No, that is not a point. It's a slippery slope fallacy based on pure ignorance of how the game works.
Restoration of lost functionality does not inexorably lead to instancing and insular protection, especially when nothing of the kind existed in either the original and the revamped implementation.
So the point remains: why are people so upset over the broken things getting fixed?
Othran wrote:No its not as we'll see in the next 6 months. Nice lack of explanation there.
In what way is it not a restoration of lost functionality?
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Posted - 2013.01.17 19:34:00 -
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Maxpie wrote:I don't like the direction this is taking us quite honestly. What's next, the loser of the duel reappears in a ghost ship and has to warp to his wreck where everything re-materializes? Did that ever happen in the old system?
No. So what on earth gave you the idiotic idea that it would ever happen under the new one?
Quote:Edit: Also, will "everyone spam duel request" be the new "everyone spam convo"? Or perhaps both? You knowGǪ maybe it would help if you actually read what you're commenting on before posting. Oh, and if you understood some basic game mechanics before complaining about how something that has always existed is somehow new and scaryGǪ
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Posted - 2013.01.17 19:46:00 -
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Maxpie wrote:You do realize that the 'slippery slope fallacy' argument does not somehow mean that it is now impossible that the feared result can never come about. GǪit just means that connecting event A and event B is irrational and lacks logic.
SlapNuts wrote:Allowing dueling just makes me think OMG this is WoW Why is that? Have you been confusing EVE with WoW for long? I've been playing this game for more than half its lifetime and never confused the two in spite of EVE allowing duels all that timeGǪ
Rordan D'Kherr wrote:It's not the announced mechanic that is bad, get it. It's the growing demand and thus the chance of a weird direction to MMO arena stuff. Seeing as how the Gǣgrowing demandGǥ was a demand for restoration of lost functionality, there is no change in directionGǪ or indeed any growing demand to begin with.
GǪwhich is why I keep returning to the same question: why is it that people are so upset with the restoration of lost mechanics?
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Tippia
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Posted - 2013.01.17 19:55:00 -
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SlapNuts wrote:Tippia, if all your going to do is spam ppl here your more in touch with WoW then you might think...try and be constructive and come up with something that actually contributes to this topic. I am. I'm asking a question that tries to shed a light on the rather unreasonable emotional response people have to things getting fixed. Apparently, no-one can come up with a rational answer.
This mechanic was heralded in the exact same breath as CW2.0 was presented. The devs immediately covered their rears by saying that they wanted to retain the option for players to enter into some kind of structured ad-hoc engagements even after the change to theft flagging, and people kept asking for exactly this kind of thing to remedy that lossGǪ and to absolutely no-one's surprise, here we are: the old duelling mechanic reimplemented in a way that works within the new Crimewatch.
Why are people so upset over the broken things getting fixed? The only difference between old and new is under the new systems, the challenger can't call in neutral logis with impunityGǪ which makes me suspect that all this crying has nothing to do with duels being reinstated at all.
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Posted - 2013.01.17 20:00:00 -
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Rordan D'Kherr wrote:You can plain ignore the point and try to look clever or plain do a forum search. Oh, you mean that thing that has nothing to do with what's being discussed here (viz. restoration of lost mechanics), and which doesn't seem to exhibit any GÇ£growing demandGÇ¥?
Why would I search for that?
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Posted - 2013.01.17 20:10:00 -
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Rordan D'Kherr wrote:So you want to ignore the point. Ok then. I would prefer to ignore irrational and unfounded concerns about unrelated topics, yes, because they areGǪ you knowGǪ irrational and unrelated. On might even say off-topic.
But sure, indulge me: how does a restoration of lost functionality GÇö as promised GÇö relate to an implementation of instances and sectioned-off space and no-loss combat (which is what most arena requests are about, and why they never get any traction)? Oh, and why is it that people are so upset that this lost functionality is being restored, again as promised?
SlapNuts wrote:There is nothing broken as my first post in this thread explains there are already the mechanics in this game. GǪa mechanic that was broken by CW2.0 and which is now being restored to its pre-retribution state. Just because there were (incomplete) work-arounds for this broken state doesn't mean it was working properly. Again, this restoration was promised the same moment CW2.0 was presented, and now we have it.
So why are people so upset that this return to the old system has happened as promised?
The only reason I can think of is that neutral logis will be comparatively neuteredGǪ so far, I haven't seen any better explanation.
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