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Flakey Foont
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Posted - 2013.01.19 00:35:00 -
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EVE is not for everyone. |

Henry Haphorn
Kid's Logistics Inc
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Posted - 2013.01.19 02:31:00 -
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@Zyn
Ignore the trolls in this post. Overall, you are correct to assume that this game may not be for you. But you always have the chance to keep trying to push yourself should you decide to come back.
Remember, the reason Eve Online is so popular due to its constant growth during the past 10 years is because the universe is harsh and challenging. Many of us here are adults who have lives, careers, and things like that yet still get drawn into the game regardless of the $15/month subscription cost because the way the game is made makes it worth it.
Of course, games like WoW may have millions of players compared to Eve's 450,000 subscribers, but look at the quality of the game. WoW is just a theme park MMO where everyone expects their hands to be held along the way. In Eve, as soon as you undock you are expected to learn how to survive on your own even if the learning experience is brutal to begin with. No hand holding outside of the extremely few starter systems that are available (which aren't profitable at all). Adapt or Die |

Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
124
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Posted - 2013.01.19 03:48:00 -
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Well, it looks like you are staying Zull and I can't wait for you to join a player corp so I can instruct you on 30-50% of EvE. |

Captain Tardbar
NEWB ALERT
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Posted - 2013.01.19 06:59:00 -
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Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:Zyn Graveside wrote:
I believe if you wanted to attract new players to this game after 9 years then have a space area that trains players
Good luck and thanks for the free trial.
Training is your responsibility and no NPC can do it as well as another player. A simple google search or a question here would have led you to a wealth of knowledge. Instead you posted "waaaaa this game makes me read and has consequences even on day one waaaaa." Good luck in your search for a game that is hard and rewarding but also holds your hand like a two year old. P.S. Maire use some spaces between paragraphs or your stuff just looks like an unreadable wall of text.
Great job flaming someone who just needs helpful advice instead of condecending tones.
If you want more people to pew pew with then you need to help people learn the game instead of putting them down.
To answer the OP, you need to learn you skills up and petition for a reset maybe in order.
Personally exploration was too complicated. You should try either mining or missioning to start out with. Missions are more for fighting and mining is just for earning isk without too much risk (depending).
I'd try to google eve ships fits for frigates to help you with defeating the NPC reds.
"Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby" |

Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
124
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Posted - 2013.01.19 07:35:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:
Also I suppose I should advertise the chat channel which you should join dedicated to helping newbies over teamspeak (and you can learn a lot about eve by listening to people just shooting the breeze or fighting in FW).
The channel is "xxx Help's" and the teamspeak address is in the message of the day.
Yeah, it's much better to recruit for your channel here which is against the rules... |

Cyprus Black
The Learning Curve.
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Posted - 2013.01.19 09:33:00 -
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The new player experience is notoriously atrocious. It's a complex game and explaining everything in simplistic terms (no insult intended) has proven to be near impossible. Or so far nobody has successfully created a good newbie tutorial yet.
CCP is trying, but I believe they could do better. Pure-Text tutorials are so 2002. They're bland, they're uninteresting, and they don't hold newbies attention.
I think the best thing you can do is to just forget the tutorials all together and join a newbie friendly corp. Many players will insist you go back and suffer through the tutorial, but IMO sometimes the best way to learn is from fellow players. Trolling is like art. Anyone can finger paint, but it takes true talent to create a masterpiece. |

J'Poll
KIngs of the Underground Side Effect.
1840
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Posted - 2013.01.19 09:51:00 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:
Great job flaming someone who just needs helpful advice instead of condecending tones.
If you want more people to pew pew with then you need to help people learn the game instead of putting them down.
To answer the OP, you need to learn you skills up and petition for a reset maybe in order.
Personally exploration was too complicated. You should try either mining or missioning to start out with. Missions are more for fighting and mining is just for earning isk without too much risk (depending).
I'd try to google eve ships fits for frigates to help you with defeating the NPC reds.
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Also I suppose I should advertise the chat channel which you should join dedicated to helping newbies over teamspeak (and you can learn a lot about eve by listening to people just shooting the breeze or fighting in FW).
The channel is "EvE Voice Help's" and the teamspeak address is in the message of the day.
Nice covert recruitment part in your edit...almost got away with it.
And as for your post, the OP clearly doesn't need help. Each single post he maked he whines and says he won't be subscribing. So why WOULD we even bother to try and teach him the game, I rather put that effort into a new player with the correct and open minded attitude.
And secondly, just cause you don't like explorations doesn't mean it's a PITA and people just should move to missions / mining. This is where you are 10000% wrong, people should do what they like, even if it's something that you don't.
If his OP was more in the line of:
Okay. I started this game about 6 hours ago and need some help. I was doing the exploration tutorials and lost my ship in it while I went into the Gravimetric site. What happened and how can I prevent this from happening again.
In stead the OP:
* Whines how the tutorials are too hard. * Rage quited a career agent (which also has a pop up that says that if you quit, you can't continue the agent) and complained that he can't do it anymore (which is false, there are 12 career agent stations in EVE, he just has to move). Buddy invite offer Corporation Recruitment |

Vilnius Zar
Ordo Ardish
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Posted - 2013.01.19 10:05:00 -
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OP is either a troll or a non-effort clown. Either way, any constructive effort on our part is a waste of time in this case, just stop trying and move on to other threads :) Amat victoria curam. Excellence in everything.
Some guides that may be useful to you: http://www.youtube.com/user/OrdoArdish |

flakeys
Arkham Innovations Paper Tiger Coalition
777
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Posted - 2013.01.19 10:40:00 -
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I'm in eve for over 9 years and AT LEAST once a week i learn new stuff.
The struggle you have with that tutorial ... embrace it because that is how eve will feel for the first year to start with and then once you think you know it all it'll slap you again and again and again to show how ignorant you where thinking to know EvE.
It is what makes this game the best game out there and god at times i wish there where more because frankly i feel improssened to eve because there is just no competing game to go to.
Be persistant and don't back down that's the biggest rule in eve.
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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CerN Frostwolf
The Rising Stars Academy
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Posted - 2013.01.19 13:50:00 -
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I enjoyed all the tutorials EXCEPT the exploration one. That one is hell on earth, and I will never be doing exploration in this game:p |

Maire Gheren
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
108
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Posted - 2013.01.19 15:28:00 -
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CerN Frostwolf wrote:I enjoyed all the tutorials EXCEPT the exploration one. That one is hell on earth, and I will never be doing exploration in this game:p I dunno, I spent 30 minutes on it and then went "Wait, that was the whole tutorial?" The main problem is that it's trying to explain a visual skill without any visuals. |

Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
124
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Posted - 2013.01.19 18:36:00 -
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Just to put something useful in this abortion of a thread:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heYfTA00Idg
Found by going to google and typing: EvE scanning |

Tyberius Koto
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Posted - 2013.01.19 18:56:00 -
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The best thing CCP could do is insert some type of micro video into the tutorial that will actually play in game, either in the broswer or in the mission window. That way it is right there to view and might help a lot of people instead of having into instruct new players in rookie chat to use youtube out of game to view their tutorial video on scanning. |

Maire Gheren
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
108
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Posted - 2013.01.19 19:40:00 -
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Tyberius Koto wrote:The best thing CCP could do is insert some type of micro video into the tutorial that will actually play in game, either in the broswer or in the mission window. That way it is right there to view and might help a lot of people instead of having into instruct new players in rookie chat to use youtube out of game to view their tutorial video on scanning. Oh I agree and i've commented as such. Even just inserting a few jpegs of scanning probes arranged appropriately into the text would help immensely. The same for tracking and radius, both concepts which confuse a lot of people and tend to result in people losing their first cruiser in level 2 missions a lot. |

Tyberius Koto
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Posted - 2013.01.19 19:48:00 -
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Maire Gheren wrote:Tyberius Koto wrote:The best thing CCP could do is insert some type of micro video into the tutorial that will actually play in game, either in the broswer or in the mission window. That way it is right there to view and might help a lot of people instead of having into instruct new players in rookie chat to use youtube out of game to view their tutorial video on scanning. Oh I agree and i've commented as such. Even just inserting a few jpegs of scanning probes arranged appropriately into the text would help immensely. The same for tracking and radius, both concepts which confuse a lot of people and tend to result in people losing their first cruiser in level 2 missions a lot.
I started a new alt recently, and laughed when I lost by first Maller in a mission with her, I forget how "weak" your skills are as a new player (or how foolish I fly missions).
I think the issue is most new players come from other games where they never had to consider looking outside the game window to find their answers or help. It's a tough concept to grasp for a lot of new people that in order to complete the tutorial you need to visit this website, or download this player guide. Not that I want to make the game easier, I certainly don't. |

Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
124
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Posted - 2013.01.20 03:16:00 -
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Tyberius Koto wrote: consider looking outside the game window to find their answers or help. .
There is an in-game browser...
How is it that everyone and their brother knows how to tab out and watch hulu while mining but can't grasp the concept for educational purposes? |

Tyberius Koto
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Posted - 2013.01.20 04:16:00 -
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Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:Tyberius Koto wrote: consider looking outside the game window to find their answers or help. . There is an in-game browser... How is it that everyone and their brother knows how to tab out and watch hulu while mining but can't grasp the concept for educational purposes?
My comment was in regards to new players in the tutorial. Many new players are not aware that there is even an in-game browser . And their mindset is not to think to go outside the game to watch a tutorial on how to complete the new player tutorial. These are things a veteran player does without giving much thought to it.
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J'Poll
KIngs of the Underground Side Effect.
1843
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Posted - 2013.01.20 10:17:00 -
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Tyberius Koto wrote:Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:Tyberius Koto wrote: consider looking outside the game window to find their answers or help. . There is an in-game browser... How is it that everyone and their brother knows how to tab out and watch hulu while mining but can't grasp the concept for educational purposes? My comment was in regards to new players in the tutorial. Many new players are not aware that there is even an in-game browser . And their mindset is not to think to go outside the game to watch a tutorial on how to complete the new player tutorial. These are things a veteran player does without giving much thought to it.
I'm a vet and I don't think at all. It makes my brain hurt. Buddy invite offer Corporation Recruitment |

Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
125
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Posted - 2013.01.20 14:42:00 -
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Tyberius Koto wrote:Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:Tyberius Koto wrote: consider looking outside the game window to find their answers or help. . There is an in-game browser... How is it that everyone and their brother knows how to tab out and watch hulu while mining but can't grasp the concept for educational purposes? My comment was in regards to new players in the tutorial. Many new players are not aware that there is even an in-game browser . And their mindset is not to think to go outside the game to watch a tutorial on how to complete the new player tutorial. These are things a veteran player does without giving much thought to it.
My memory lasts longer than just a couple years and I remember doing those tutorials...which at that time were much worse. If you've played for more than a couple days and didn't look at what is available on the strip of buttons going down the entire left hand side of your screen, didn't use out of game internet to gather info, didn't ask here for help, etc then the chances are you aren't cut out for this game.
I'll bet dime to dollar everyone knows within a few hours where the wallet button is. The problem here is some people's unwillingness to read and learn. CCP can't patch that. |
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