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Avon	Posted - 2005.06.28 15:29:00 - [1] Will someone please reply to my emails? I have sent various emails direct, and recently via Kieron requesting permission to use extracted game models in fan art, zero replies. I have tried to go around this in the correct manner, where as I could have flooded the internet with renders already, with no traceability. Oh, and Eris... ...please don't lock this stating 'email CCP' like you did for a similar post previously - if they aren't replying I have no way of knowing if they are getting my mails. I'm fine with any other reason for a lock though :) ______________________________________________ Pay or pray..er..prey..yeah, pray you aren't prey. Er, just pay.
Virtuozzo	Posted - 2005.06.28 15:51:00 - [2] Try using the phone, works for me. The reception lady btw should have been selected for the new voiceovers damnit :P Cheers, Virtuozzo RECRUITMENT TEASERS. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world Dom
MOOstradamus	Posted - 2005.06.28 15:56:00 - [3] Edited by: MOOstradamus on 28/06/2005 15:56:40 Just DO IT anyways MOOrovingian "Following & supporting EVE (since Jan 2001) is like wiping your arse with sandpaper."
sutty	Posted - 2005.06.28 15:56:00 - [4] Edited by: sutty on 28/06/2005 15:55:55 Maybe they aint to happy you extracted the models without consulting them first :P ?
Avon	Posted - 2005.06.28 16:06:00 - [5] Originally by: sutty Edited by: sutty on 28/06/2005 15:55:55 Maybe they aint to happy you extracted the models without consulting them first :P ? Who said I did? :) ______________________________________________ Pay or pray..er..prey..yeah, pray you aren't prey. Er, just pay.
elFarto	Posted - 2005.06.28 16:10:00 - [6] Edited by: elFarto on 28/06/2005 16:13:01 Originally by: Avon Originally by: sutty Edited by: sutty on 28/06/2005 15:55:55 Maybe they aint to happy you extracted the models without consulting them first :P ? Who said I did? :) Who doesn't? edit I too would like to know if we would be allowed to use them for fan art. Regards elFarto
Winterblink	Posted - 2005.06.28 16:10:00 - [7] Begging Eris not to lock your thread never helps. :) ___winterblink/warp_drive_active/eve_nature_vraie//
kieron	Posted - 2005.06.28 16:12:00 - [8] Avon, you should have mail hitting your inbox within the next few minutes. However, I can answer here as well. Extracting ship, station, etc. models from the client is a violation of the EULA. The only times this has been allowed outside of the studio is with express concent of CCP after having agreed to/signed a Non-Disclosure Agreement. Since ship model extraction has been requested a high number of times, there is discussion over releasing a "ship model pack". However, the focus at this time is the content patch and there are no immediate plans to start working on such a pack. Remember, Grasshopper, patience is a virtue. kieron Community Manager, EVE Online
Wrangler	Posted - 2005.06.28 16:15:00 - [9] Does this mean we can't ignore you anymore Avon? [Read the Rules!] - [Email the Moderators]
Bhaal	Posted - 2005.06.28 16:23:00 - [10] Quote: Since ship model extraction has been requested a high number of times, there is discussion over releasing a "ship model pack". However, the focus at this time is the content patch and there are no immediate plans to start working on such a pack. I would be so interested in this! ------------------------------------------------ "for piece sakes!"

Skarsnik	Posted - 2005.06.28 16:31:00 - [11] Make that another peep interested in the model pack. aslong as they are in some generic format I dont want to have to convert you sometimes lose vital info --------------------------------- No Slugs were harmed in the creation of this signature ---------------------------------
elFarto	Posted - 2005.06.28 16:34:00 - [12] Originally by: Skarsnik Make that another peep interested in the model pack. aslong as they are in some generic format I dont want to have to convert you sometimes lose vital info .obj 4tw Regards elFarto
Demarcus	Posted - 2005.06.28 16:35:00 - [13] That ship pack would be fantastic. I am great with Director and would love to put together a little old school R-Type kind of side scrolling shooter with EVE ships. Not for distrabution of coarse but so I can get my EVE fix at work. ------------------------------------- You are all worthless, and weak.
Hellspawn01	Posted - 2005.06.28 16:35:00 - [14] Originally by: kieron Avon, you should have mail hitting your inbox within the next few minutes. However, I can answer here as well. Extracting ship, station, etc. models from the client is a violation of the EULA. The only times this has been allowed outside of the studio is with express consent of CCP after having agreed to/signed a Non-Disclosure Agreement. Since ship model extraction has been requested a high number of times, there is discussion over releasing a "ship model pack". However, the focus at this time is the content patch and there are no immediate plans to start working on such a pack. Remember, Grasshopper, patience is a virtue. Is that a yes or a no ---------------------------------------------
Avon	Posted - 2005.06.28 17:05:00 - [15] Originally by: kieron Avon, you should have mail hitting your inbox within the next few minutes. However, I can answer here as well. Extracting ship, station, etc. models from the client is a violation of the EULA. The only times this has been allowed outside of the studio is with express consent of CCP after having agreed to/signed a Non-Disclosure Agreement. Since ship model extraction has been requested a high number of times, there is discussion over releasing a "ship model pack". However, the focus at this time is the content patch and there are no immediate plans to start working on such a pack. Remember, Grasshopper, patience is a virtue. Interestingly I sent a signed NDA to CCP HQ ages ago when I was accepted to Polaris. I wonder how I stand now? :D ______________________________________________ Pay or pray..er..prey..yeah, pray you aren't prey. Er, just pay.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.06.28 17:08:00 - [16] Originally by: kieron Avon, you should have mail hitting your inbox within the next few minutes. However, I can answer here as well. Extracting ship, station, etc. models from the client is a violation of the EULA. The only times this has been allowed outside of the studio is with express consent of CCP after having agreed to/signed a Non-Disclosure Agreement. Since ship model extraction has been requested a high number of times, there is discussion over releasing a "ship model pack". However, the focus at this time is the content patch and there are no immediate plans to start working on such a pack. Remember, Grasshopper, patience is a virtue. Promotion = Good, so why stop people from extracting things from the game for non-commercial purposes? You're going overboard on the proprietary side of things. -- Dark Shikari: POS Consultant! Want your POS to make money like mine do? I've designed POSs that make upwards of 50 million a day in profit--each! Just call me up--no ubermoons required!
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2005.06.28 17:21:00 - [17] Edited by: Deja Thoris on 28/06/2005 17:20:56 Originally by: Avon Edited by: Avon on 28/06/2005 17:16:27 Originally by: kieron Avon, you should have mail hitting your inbox within the next few minutes. However, I can answer here as well. Extracting ship, station, etc. models from the client is a violation of the EULA. The only times this has been allowed outside of the studio is with express consent of CCP after having agreed to/signed a Non-Disclosure Agreement. Since ship model extraction has been requested a high number of times, there is discussion over releasing a "ship model pack". However, the focus at this time is the content patch and there are no immediate plans to start working on such a pack. Remember, Grasshopper, patience is a virtue. Interestingly I sent a signed NDA to CCP HQ ages ago when I was accepted to Polaris (Not that I ever took up the position because, surprising, communications was shockingly poor). I wonder how I stand now? :D Just lacking the "express consent" Harass them till they cr ack
Meridius	Posted - 2005.06.28 17:21:00 - [18] It's a form of modding. Counter-Strike, one of the most popular online games ever was a mod Modding is a good thing and it's fun, tons of games have huge mod communities and it's good fun ________________________________________________________
Bhaal	Posted - 2005.06.28 17:42:00 - [19] Avon, what about: .stp .ste .step .sat .igs .ige .iges ??? ------------------------------------------------ "for piece sakes!"
Avon	Posted - 2005.06.28 17:43:00 - [20] Originally by: Wrangler Does this mean we can't ignore you anymore Avon? Right, that's it. We're through. Pack your bags, it's over. And the plants are mine, you can't take them. ______________________________________________ Pay or pray..er..prey..yeah, pray you aren't prey. Er, just pay.

Avon	Posted - 2005.06.28 17:44:00 - [21] Originally by: Bhaal Avon, what about: .stp .ste .step .sat .igs .ige .iges ??? Honestly? No idea. :) The problem would be being able to fix conversion errors for formats I can't load - if the specs are available I guess most formats are possible. ______________________________________________ Pay or pray..er..prey..yeah, pray you aren't prey. Er, just pay.
Bhaal	Posted - 2005.06.28 17:46:00 - [22] Okino ------------------------------------------------ "for piece sakes!"
Avon	Posted - 2005.06.28 17:52:00 - [23] Originally by: Bhaal Okino I think I might stick to writing my own import/export plug-ins .. those guys are EXPENSIVE. ______________________________________________ Pay or pray..er..prey..yeah, pray you aren't prey. Er, just pay.
Bhaal	Posted - 2005.06.28 18:02:00 - [24] .obj -> .stp is what I would need to get a good usable model. I need the translation to support NURBS. ------------------------------------------------ "for piece sakes!"
Avon	Posted - 2005.06.28 18:03:00 - [25] Originally by: Bhaal .obj -> .stp is what I would need to get a good usable model. I need the translation to support NURBS. What rendering s/w do you use? ______________________________________________ Pay or pray..er..prey..yeah, pray you aren't prey. Er, just pay.
Bhaal	Posted - 2005.06.28 18:06:00 - [26] Quote: What rendering s/w do you use? SolidWorks and AutoDesk Inventor ------------------------------------------------ "for piece sakes!"
Avon	Posted - 2005.06.28 18:10:00 - [27] Originally by: Bhaal Quote: What rendering s/w do you use? SolidWorks and AutoDesk Inventor Doesn't solidworks support .dxf? ______________________________________________ Pay or pray..er..prey..yeah, pray you aren't prey. Er, just pay.
Bhaal	Posted - 2005.06.28 18:22:00 - [28] Quote: Doesn't solidworks support .dxf? They both support .dxf, but that is an old AutoCAD 2D format. To get a model with the best usable data I need a format that can handle NURBS. Now, If CCP does use Alias, they should be able to get you .obj files instead of .tri files (which does not support NURBS AFAIK) For me personally, .stp, .sat & .igs are the three formats (in order of preference) that I could use with the data I want. Really, to get the best models, CCP would need to supply them, as extracting data from .tri files will not give full functionality... ------------------------------------------------ "for piece sakes!"
elFarto	Posted - 2005.06.28 18:32:00 - [29] Originally by: Bhaal Now, If CCP does use Alias, they should be able to get you .obj files instead of .tri files (which does not support NURBS AFAIK) Slight problem with that is .obj doesn't support everything .tri does. Regards elFarto
Vicarrah	Posted - 2005.06.28 18:32:00 - [30] count me in for a model pack if one's going as to formats, aren't the models stored in triangle format already? I though I saw somewhere on some forum that someone had already extracted em and there was no nurbs information, just .tri files stuffed into the main pack. Vicarrah Tahiri Protector

Corvus Dove	Posted - 2005.06.28 18:33:00 - [31] Could place the ship objects on the client end and solve the whole thing, and require the NDA for their modding.... Not really enforceable but maybe it'd shed some lag and most of us EVE players aren't douchebags. "You Griefer!!!" = "You Doodyhead!!!"
sutty	Posted - 2005.06.29 09:34:00 - [32] I dunno if you have actually done it yet, but if not I remember while wildcard was doing it he come into massive complications, dont think I can really go into more detail
Avon	Posted - 2005.06.29 11:10:00 - [33] Originally by: sutty I dunno if you have actually done it yet, but if not I remember while wildcard was doing it he come into massive complications, dont think I can really go into more detail Well, obviously I haven't done it because that would be a eula violation ... ... but if I had, I would have probably managed most ships and be currently working on stations and jumpgates. ______________________________________________ Pay or pray..er..prey..yeah, pray you aren't prey. Er, just pay.
elFarto	Posted - 2005.06.29 12:17:00 - [34] Originally by: Avon Well, obviously I haven't done it because that would be a eula violation ... ... but if I had, I would have probably managed most ships and be currently working on stations and jumpgates. Hypothetically, if you were to attempt such a crime, would you use just .tri files or would you also use .blue files? Hypothetically of course.... Regards elFarto
Avon	Posted - 2005.06.29 16:01:00 - [35] I would probably manually read the .blue files because I wouldn't have written a parser for them yet. (Not that I am any good with python anyway.) If I was to do things properly I guess the ultimate goal would be to extract all the .stuff files and write a parser which can input .blue files and output 'usable' files, but that would be quite a long way off. ______________________________________________ Pay or pray..er..prey..yeah, pray you aren't prey. Er, just pay.
elFarto	Posted - 2005.06.29 16:13:00 - [36] Originally by: Avon I would probably manually read the .blue files because I wouldn't have written a parser for them yet. (Not that I am any good with python anyway.) If I was to do things properly I guess the ultimate goal would be to extract all the .stuff files and write a parser which can input .blue files and output 'usable' files, but that would be quite a long way off. Looks like we would go about doing things the same way then. Regards elFarto


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