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Or Horo	Posted - 2005.06.29 09:50:00 - [1] Edited by: Or Horo on 29/06/2005 09:53:53 PVP and Piracy in EVE Hi and well met! I play EVE 4 months, so for most of players I am just newbie. However, I like to play EVE and I am "addicted". It is very good game. In last two months I see lot of things change. Many corporations transfere itself to piracying. Too many pirates in 0.0, but in empires too. I am not against to PVP, but I don't like it. Now, there is no way how to stay out of PVP. Everybody want to kill me. Empires are not safe. Why is possible, that huge empires like Gallente or Amarr have not power to destroy punny corporations with 20 - 50 pirates? Why is possible, that pirates can shoot down newbies in >0.4 systems and without pannishment? Everywhere and everytime is war of fight. Many veterans are bored to do normal peacefull bussines, they have bilions of ISK and want to kill everyone on sight. Pirates will kill you only because they are pirates. You have only pod or shuttle, no vaulable cargo, but they will kill you. Other corporations will kill you because they think you are pirate or they want to rule a region or you are in bad time on bad place. I want just do normal peacefull bussines. Mining, trading etc. But I am pressed to do things what I want not. I know I want not fight. Unfortunatelly, I see that every new patch helps more to pirates. Most of changes are for fight, fight, fight. But not much things are for peacefull play. Whole EVE is changing itself to one "stupid" deathmatch where is no place for players who want not fight. Lot of corporations start piracy because it is better then do normal bussines. But it is not why I pay EVE. Ok. I will pay next three months. If I will not see that something happen I will cancel account. I leaved WoW because of lot of PVP and power gamming. EVE is good game with good potencial, but there must be place for all sort players, not only for PVP. Please, if anybody feel the same like me, write it here. Thank you. Peple, have nice time with EVE. Good bye and make good profit.
Bad'Boy	Posted - 2005.06.29 09:55:00 - [2] Edited by: Bad''Boy on 29/06/2005 09:56:14 join noobcorp MAXSuicide > I LOVE U SIIM MAXSuicide > lets go outback for a quicky siim > that was so desperate attempt
Heritor	Posted - 2005.06.29 09:56:00 - [3] Unfortunately you may be setup near a place where all the pirates tend to hang to get easy kills. I suggest moving a few systems away to a more peacefull part of Eve. I do not know where this is but you will have to find this out. As a 4 month old player I imagine you have enough know how to advoid all combat except in the most extreme cases.
Nira Li	Posted - 2005.06.29 09:58:00 - [4] I never see pirates in 0.4-0.1
Engelious Angelion	Posted - 2005.06.29 09:59:00 - [5] hmm i dont understand your problem? if you wanna mine, trade do sicence? whats stopping you?? if you do thesde things in empire, you can easy make a lot of isk... in a very safe way, id start with trading, theres so much easy money in that area... i've playd this game for what...2 years now, and i've pvp 4 times, all 4 with the result..me in pord, then in klone...BUT.... All these times it was course i was in low security.. and a singel time in a corp war... Corp wars are easy to avoid.... just leave the corp your in, and you'll return to your npc corp... and then your safe in empire.... i agree that PvP and the battel side of eve has all to much attention... Sicence is one of the most neglected parts of the game, and one that dissapoints still, i fell empathy for those with their skills all in sicence.... Stay out of 0.4-0.0 and player corps if you wanna be 100% sure not to get Gang'd in corp wars or by pirates..
Face Lifter	Posted - 2005.06.29 10:02:00 - [6] Edited by: Face Lifter on 29/06/2005 10:02:04 nm
Ikvar	Posted - 2005.06.29 10:05:00 - [7] EVE is a PVP game. If you don't want PVP then stay in an NPC corp and gon't go into .4 and lower. _________________ Itanis > HIGH SLOTS ARE FOR MINERS LOL
MadGaz	Posted - 2005.06.29 10:07:00 - [8] Originally by: Ikvar EVE is a PVP game. If you don't want PVP then stay in an NPC corp and gon't go into .4 and lower. HEAR HEAR. It's as simple as that ------------------------------------------
Bhaal	Posted - 2005.06.29 10:17:00 - [9] Edited by: Bhaal on 29/06/2005 10:20:28 Quote: Ok. I will pay next three months. If I will not see that something happen I will cancel account. I leaved WoW because of lot of PVP and power gamming. EVE is good game with good potencial, but there must be place for all sort players, not only for PVP. May as well cancel now, because the game is not friendly to Non-Combat PVP'ers. (If you're expecting the game to change in 3 months so there is consentual PVP, it won't happen) CCP has made it quite clear through game mechanics that this is the case, and always will be the case. There will never be a safe haven for non-combat PVP'ers in EVE. There should be, IMO, but there never will be... ------------------------------------------------ "for piece sakes!"
Bsport	Posted - 2005.06.29 10:24:00 - [10] Edited by: Bsport on 29/06/2005 10:24:22 tbh you can avoid ppl like the above . just be willing to fight if you are backed into a corner -------- \|~~~\| I run out of money, so bunny has been \| OIL \| grounded down to make grease for my \|____\| rifter- poor bunny
Harbringer Tal'Vek	Posted - 2005.06.29 10:29:00 - [11] Originally by: Ikvar EVE is a PVP game. If you don't want PVP then stay in an NPC corp and gon't go into .4 and lower. Yes eve IS a PvP game, but PvP comes in many forms, not just blowing up of pixels.. I'm a trader / producer /scientist by trade, and i view what i do as PvP, but my pvp is economical against other players to find a competitive edge etc. EvE concentrates too much on PvP (The pixel blowing up type) than other things. Personally i think EvE can be all things to all people. If people what to fight let them if people dont let them not fight. Thats keeps a larger player base happier. And keeps people in game, which inturn make eve faninacially viable for ccp. All the kill the carebear bunch, would be sick if they drove off all the non-fighting characters, because the eve universe would loose 50% of its population. To the original poster, you can live a peaceful existance in EvE its just a case of finding busy but safer places to live and work.
Derisor	Posted - 2005.06.29 10:32:00 - [12] Eve is a primarily PvP game. However, that being said, there are people that play the game without ever leaving Yulai. Still others that stay in 0.5 and above. All of them can enjoy the game. However, if you stray into low security space (less than 0.5) or 0.0 space, you should expect to have PvP happen. My advice is that you look atthe map and find some nice out of the way place. Some place where there are few active pilots (look at stars tab of display settings on the map). Find some nice hole in the wall system. Pirates thrive on highways, not going to out of the way places. Once you find that system, recon it in a shuttle with an alt char to see who hangs out there. Log in at various times to see. Then make insta jumps all over that system. Now you will be equipped to mine and rat all you want. As for 0.0, it will munch you like desert so avoid it like the plague until you know how to live there. --------- The words "Exciting" and "Safe" are mutually exclusive; pick one.
Or Horo	Posted - 2005.06.29 10:35:00 - [13] Problem is not, there is PVP. Problem is, many pirates are in 0.1-0.4 and shoot against newbies, because it is quick money. They will earn much more then in 0.0 and nobody will threat them. Problem is, if you mine in 0,5 - 0,6 and pirates will attack to you. They are quick, so CONCORD will not get them. I have seen pirate group with kestrels in alters with trial accounts, who shooted against industrials in 0,8. They ignore that is not allowed. If I want to flee to closest systems with cargo of minerals, I risk they will kill me.
Jy Lanhall	Posted - 2005.06.29 10:36:00 - [14] That's rot. Yes the game is engineered to PVP (0.0 is what that's for - whether it works or not is another matter ... the whole ganking issue and blob war ... but hey). BUT There are at least two other 'zones'. There's the central 0.5 to 1.0 system,s where you are safe. And the lo-sec 0.1 to 0.4 which is a cross over to non PVP. .. so you get a watered down taste of both safety and PVP. Ok, there are suicide squads in the safe area, and you can get war declared on you. But these are rare, and avoidable. I've been playing for over a year now, clocking up many eve hours. Never had a suicide squad to date. And I consider 0.5 to 1.0 to be 100% safe to fly about in and do your business. Below that, and it's like the real world. YOu're going into dangerous territory, and (mostly) it's safe, but you have to keep alert and, like Watership down, ... "when they catch you, they will kill you". Contact me in game if you would like some advice, or to join a corp that can help you.
Jy Lanhall	Posted - 2005.06.29 10:41:00 - [15] Edited by: Jy Lanhall on 29/06/2005 10:42:30 Originally by: Or Horo Problem is, if you mine in 0,5 - 0,6 and pirates will attack to you. They are quick, so CONCORD will not get them. I have seen pirate group with kestrels in alters with trial accounts, who shooted against industrials in 0,8. They ignore that is not allowed. Yup. Many things are not allowed. In RL you can't kill or *****people, or ram their cars. But people do, and if they get caught (probably more often than not in most types of crimes) they get punished. Same applies to EVE. YOu're not allowed to attack people in certain ways, in certain areas. However if you get caught you get blown to pieces. If you evade the law ... then well done!
Derisor	Posted - 2005.06.29 10:45:00 - [16] Originally by: Or Horo Problem is not, there is PVP. Problem is, many pirates are in 0.1-0.4 and shoot against newbies, They shoot everyone actually. So dont feel bad. There are systems in 0.1 to 0.4 that are safe but you have to research them with a bit of map work. Im usually on 2100 to 2200 CET (German time) so just convo me and Ill help ya out with info. Stay away from Syndicate and Pure Blind regions or nearby to those regions to start with. Originally by: Or Horo because it is quick money. Its not actually. They do it just to be ***s. Originally by:** Or Horo They will earn much more then in 0.0 and nobody will threat them. Not true. They go to 0.0 with any significant population and they will get WTFPWNED by good pvpers. Many pirates (not all but many) actually suck at pvp. That is why they pick on newbs and so on. It makes them feel special. shrug Originally by: Or Horo Problem is, if you mine in 0,5 - 0,6 and pirates will attack to you. They are quick, so CONCORD will not get them. I have seen pirate group with kestrels in alters with trial accounts, who shooted against industrials in 0,8. They ignore that is not allowed. This is an exploit, especially if they are using recylcable newbie chars. Look up the names of the poeple that killed you and if you see that they are 1 month or 1 week old then petition it with the names and the full kill mail. A GM will look into it. If they find cause to believe it then you are talkign serious banage. And dont listen to the pirates that say "dont bother ccp cant find us". They can find them quite clearly by credit card number if nothing else. Originally by: Or Horo If I want to flee to closest systems with cargo of minerals, I risk they will kill me. You need to set up instajump bookmarks. Fly from one gate to another gate then fly past the gate a while (15km or so will do). Then line it up to the icon of the gate you came from is directly behind the gate you want to jump to. Then approach the gate you want to jump to and add a bookmark at 11km. Now edit that bookmark with something like Egbinger -> B-VIP9 and then you can warp to that BM and it will drop you right on the gate. Dont buy them off escrow or from anyone you cant trust implicity. Bad IJBMs can kill you. --------- The words "Exciting" and "Safe" are mutually exclusive; pick one.
Bozse	Posted - 2005.06.29 10:51:00 - [17] Tbh without all the pvp in game u wouldn't need to mine as u would not need to build anything more then for your own use thus making your prefered profession unneeded. Just create your own corp find a calmer aerea to operate in and stay 0.5 and above and u will probobly not have any problems with the combat side of eve. And there is punishment for killing in 0.4 and below, u get a ****ty sec rating and can't go in to 0.5 and above if u do it often enough.
Rafein	Posted - 2005.06.29 11:10:00 - [18] I just think a way to control throw away characters is needed (a character cannot be recyxled if they have been involved in combat within the last 7 days). Otherwise, PvP works well. Just needs a bit more restrictive on Security gains, so those who do get involved in PvP are pushed out of Empire, where they belong.
Derisor	Posted - 2005.06.29 11:14:00 - [19] Originally by: Rafein I just think a way to control throw away characters is needed (a character cannot be recyxled if they have been involved in combat within the last 7 days). Otherwise, PvP works well. Just needs a bit more restrictive on Security gains, so those who do get involved in PvP are pushed out of Empire, where they belong. Bah its not that hard to control. CCP just needs to keep track of when an account makes a new character and what the sec status of the char is at deletion time. Alternatively, if a char is below -5.0 sec status, he takes 4 weeks to terminate. --------- The words "Exciting" and "Safe" are mutually exclusive; pick one.
Sionn Klorgh	Posted - 2005.06.29 11:17:00 - [20] I've yet to be attacked while mining in high sec. I suggest you don't hang around the main systems. I've yet to be attacked while trading in low sec. I suggest you find some decent and quieter routes.
Wanoah	Posted - 2005.06.29 11:27:00 - [21] Originally by: Sionn Klorgh I've yet to be attacked while mining in high sec. I suggest you don't hang around the main systems. I've yet to be attacked while trading in low sec. I suggest you find some decent and quieter routes. That doesn't actually prove anything to be honest. I've never had ore stolen and never been attacked by suicide squads. Lots of people have. I've never been killed by gate campers, but lots of people have. Some people are just plain unlucky with this sort of thing: they take a risk and lose. Others take a risk and win every time. Originally by: Oveur EVE Online - even the forums have PVP
Dreamdancer	Posted - 2005.06.29 11:28:00 - [22] I feel your pain Or Horo. I am also a 4 month old character. Also don't have real desire for pvp. Though there are moments...... Anyway, I assume other then the suicide groups that have gone after you, you have also been in a corp that had war declared on it and then got attacked. To be honest I don't care for the war system, but other then allowing corp to opt out of a war declaration, which would be wrong, I can't see a way to do it different. Move to 0.8 sec space that will remove the suicide squads. You will still have to deal with ore thieves, but just like in real life there is scum and those who get their happiness by ruining other people's fun. Next option join a bigger corp. Maybe one that is in an alliance. I applied to Old Farts Corp (OFC) last evening. Almost 200 members and part of an alliance. They seem cool, but since I only applied last evening I can't tell you more then what I've currently seen. But what I'm getting at is I'm joining a good sized corp so I will only be doing things solo if I choose to do so. Thus getting ganked is a bit less likely as typically gankers are cowards that jump alone barges, indys or frigs. And ore thieves don't mess with multi-person mining ops. Exceptions to every rule though. Always keep your eyes open. pvp adds flavor to this game. I may not want to do pvp at this time, but it makes the game exciting. Is sitting at home watching tv an adventure? Of course not. But going about your daily activities while worrying about getting killed makes life an adventure. Thing about adventures, they are rarely fun when you are having one, at least in real life, but you love talking about them afterwards. Other mmorpg's just don't have the virtually unlimited playing styles as EVE. Learn to adapt. If doing this gets you killed or the loss of your ore then change your methods. Change solar systems if the one you are in is regularly pirated. If they are messing with your game, mess with theirs. Move to another area and give them one less target. Nothing ruins a pirate's gaming experience more then having nothing to shoot at for hours on end. Make them work harder since they have made you work harder. Games become boring once the challenge fades away. Anyway, don't let pvper's ruin your game. Look at them as a random hazard the game throws at you instead of other players attacking you. There are ways around such hazards. Learn how and adapt. Good luck
Sinistro	Posted - 2005.06.29 11:33:00 - [23] Try to fitt some shield boosters, shield hardeners on youre indi and if you some high sec system suicide fighters atacks you then maybe you will survive long anough till concorde or centries take them out
infused	Posted - 2005.06.29 12:03:00 - [24] Edited by: infused on 29/06/2005 12:03:36 People need to stop over using the term 'tbh'. Please use it in the right context please, tbh it's really starting to get to me [World Domination]
Derisor	Posted - 2005.06.29 12:13:00 - [25] Originally by: Sinistro Try to fitt some shield boosters, shield hardeners on youre indi and if you some high sec system suicide fighters atacks you then maybe you will survive long anough till concorde or centries take them out Dont try to tank with a hauler. Put multispectrum jammers in your mid slots and you will have much more luck surviving. But anyway I doubt the original poster has the skill for that. --------- The words "Exciting" and "Safe" are mutually exclusive; pick one.
Burnhard Brutor	Posted - 2005.06.29 16:12:00 - [26] Originally by: Derisor Originally by: Sinistro Try to fitt some shield boosters, shield hardeners on youre indi and if you some high sec system suicide fighters atacks you then maybe you will survive long anough till concorde or centries take them out Dont try to tank with a hauler. Put multispectrum jammers in your mid slots and you will have much more luck surviving. But anyway I doubt the original poster has the skill for that. Err, I take it you were just about to suggest some sensor boosters too
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2005.06.29 16:16:00 - [27] Never been pirated. My 2nd account is used for ratting in 01 to 0.4 systems and I've never even seen a camp or had someone warp into my belt and aggress. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Bhaal	Posted - 2005.06.29 16:19:00 - [28] Quote: Never been pirated. My 2nd account is used for ratting in 01 to 0.4 systems and I've never even seen a camp or had someone warp into my belt and aggress. Meaning it does not exist anywhere in the entire game, right? ------------------------------------------------ "for piece sakes!"
Miri Tirzan	Posted - 2005.06.29 16:49:00 - [29] Originally by: Nira Li I never see pirates in 0.4-0.1 Dont play much, huh? svetlana - "whining gets you stuff. that is why humans got to the top of the food chain and all the other animals got nerfed."
FlyinFish Shriker	Posted - 2005.06.29 17:01:00 - [30] If you play solo, expect things to be harder. But there are people you can get help from -- corp mates if you find where you belongs; nice players who will give advices if you come here or goto help channel; mercenaries if you have the money; GM if you are getting exploited. After trying above 4 methods, and you still can't find a way to stay away from PvP -- well then it's sad. Player driven means you should look for help from people rather than the programmers. ------------------------------------------- "Death is just the beginning..."

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