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Hardin
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Posted - 2005.06.29 13:42:00 -
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Stain and the CVA have always got along. Historically we had very friendly ties with Stain.
Prior to the CVA becoming a formal alliance PIE were one of only a few corps granted full hunting rights in Stain at the height of the Stain vs Curse wars.
Indeed PIE members even worked with Stain forces when Curse pilots made raids into Stain territory.
While our main focus has always been the Minmatar terrorists, PIE and the CVA hhad always been anti-pirate right back to the good old Sarum Prime days when we spent lots of time shooting (and being shot at) by Tank CEO and all his mates.
Eventually word reached us of a pirate alliance THE SOUL CARTEL which was plaguing the southern low sec areas of Amarr space and Northern Providence. The Soul Cartel was pro-Curse and anti-Stain. Corps involved included Legi0n (led by Countessa) and The Short Bus Squad (TSBS). Other pirate corps such as Hooligans of War also resided in the area. Stain had already been sending fleets to the area to secure their route up to Empire.
It was decided that the CVA would move into the area and clear out this nest of pirates. This would benefit trade in the Amarr Empire but also would secure a 'safeish' route into deep 0.0 for Stain and other neutrals.
Before doing this we consulted with Trigger and MASS who gave this move their blessing. It was after all to Stain's advantage to have a friendly partner 'up North'.
The CVA moved to the region and proceeded to tame it with the help of allies such AMAX, Ubiqua Seraph and lots of neutrals with an interest. Corps such as Hooligans of War were gradually eroded, Legi0n came to a no-pirating agreement and TSBS left to join Stain. While pirating is impossible to stop completely in general the area saw much increased traffic and business. Pirates knew that their gate camps would not go unchallenged indefinitely so it became more rewarding for them to go elsewhere.
The CVA's role in the region has and remains the minimisation of piracy. We do not shoot neutrals. We have allowed any and all who have wished to trade, mine or hunt to do so as long as they obeyed the no-pirating rule.
Over time we have fought corps such as Shinra, m0o, S******dly, The Priory, Freeks etc. - all of whom have to varying degrees operated in the region. At no time during this period did we close the area to neutral or Stain traffic.
Recently relations between CVA and Stain became strained when TSBS started pirating in the region again. We highlighted this to Stain and were informed that TSBS was leaving the alliance. We have since been fighting a war of attrition with TSBS and their allies - The Priory - probably the most consistent and long term pirates in our area.
Anyway on to the present day and I find that The Priory has joined Stain. I am not complaining about that. That's life in EVE!
In the past other CVA enemies such as TSBS and Northern Intelligence both joined Stain and both sides immediately ceased hostilities.
However, what is different this time is that the CVA has been set to -10 by Stain and The Priory have continued to attack neutrals in our region.
My question is why?
There has been no contact or communication from Stain representatives which in view of our historic friendliness with Stain is slightly bewildering.
I know from my own sources within Stain that many are not happy with this treatment of old allies - and many are also questioning the exact reasons for this action.
Why is Stain ready to accept the word of a self confessed pirate corporation over the word of an alliance which (until now) it has always worked well with and with which it had common interests.
To be honest I don't care if Stain wish to maintain the -10 or not. We shall deal with it whatever happens
I have a MASSIVE AMOUNT OF RESPECT for many corporations and members of Stain so I do not want this to devolve into a flame fest however I think it we deserve some kind of explanation...
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Burzon
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Posted - 2005.06.29 13:52:00 -
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First consstructive and objective post in ages. I hope you get what you want Hardin.
This forum needs more posts like Hardin¦s.
Burzon
CEO PAX Interstellar Services
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Elve Sorrow
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Posted - 2005.06.29 13:57:00 -
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Edited by: Elve Sorrow on 29/06/2005 13:57:40
With all due respect Hardin, the way to solve this without a flamefest would've been a convo with a Stain Diplomat i think.
This will be infested by alts and smacktalkers sooner or later.
/Elve
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thebold
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Posted - 2005.06.29 14:19:00 -
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MASS STILL LOVE YOU PIE! we wont shoot you
/me hug's PIE<Must refrain from biteing>
Caya stil lowns me modulated lazers!
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Hardin
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Posted - 2005.06.29 14:21:00 -
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Maybe that is so Elve - but the problem is its not very clear who the Stain diplomats are these days...
As for it becoming a flame fest I will certainly do my best to ensure that the CVA does not add anything to it.
As I said in my post above I have a lot of respect for many individuals and corps in Stain. I know from my own sources that many in Stain are not happy with the -10 bestowed on the CVA.
I am simply trying to find out why it was given to us. If we knew why we had earned we could take steps to rectify the situation (or not as the case may be).
It would be nice to know that their is some logical reasoning behind Stain's standings policy or whether they will simply change when they feel like it.
If a Stain diplomat wants to contact me and tell me privately why we gained the -10 then I shall be online this evening and looking forward to being contacted.
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Hardin
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Posted - 2005.06.29 14:22:00 -
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 Originally by: thebold
MASS STILL LOVE YOU PIE! we wont shoot you
/me hug's PIE<Must refrain from biteing>
Caya stil lowns me modulated lazers!
Good to know - We still like MASS too 
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Arud
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Posted - 2005.06.29 14:29:00 -
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haha, yes MASS loves PIE
and in my personal opinion apart from MASS ofcorse, PIE is the corp I respect the most
lets hope this get settled soon
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Hans Roaming
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Posted - 2005.06.29 14:34:00 -
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As a member of Huzzah I'm wondering why Stain broke the NAP with us (Priory agressed if I remember correctly) and why our members are being agressed in Misaba by Stain member corps. For no reason it seems that we are closely allied with CVA and the timing is coupled with the fact that Species seems to have control of Stain along with The Priory joining.
We too are an anti pirate alliance and allow neutral traffic through the Pipe down to Stain space etc and have had good relations with Stain in the past too. Is the nature of Stain Empire changing?
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TRIGGER
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Posted - 2005.06.29 15:39:00 -
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As always PIE are brothers .
Please contact CUJO who will rectify this situation immediately .
TRIGGER > time to die
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Imhotep Khem
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Posted - 2005.06.29 15:46:00 -
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Thats interesting. Do you have anymore information you would like to share with stain member corporations on stain's standing toward your corporation and alliance?
Anymore history you would like to give. I think its good to ask here, less nobody get to know what is going on except those that try to hide it.
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Khaerie
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Posted - 2005.06.29 16:10:00 -
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Stain diplomats are the same. Boofer and me. Contact has indeed been made over this with Boofer.
Most of the problems created are from exactly what is going on now. Everyone is running to state their concerns on the board rather then speak directly to anyone.
Members of Huzzah, I've been in contact with Druida.
Can both CVA and Huzzah PLEASE get in touch with your members to cut down all of this?
2nd in Command for Stain Empire Foreign Affairs
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Centuria
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Posted - 2005.06.29 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: Khaerie
Most of the problems created are from exactly what is going on now. Everyone is running to state their concerns on the board rather then speak directly to anyone.
Since this is indeed on the forum, would it be too much to ask for the public to learn
what is going on with Stain Empire these days? 
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Naverin
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Posted - 2005.06.29 16:15:00 -
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CVA. I have protested the -10 stance officaly within our alliance.
Do know that I for one support you and hope that The leaders that be in stain come to an understanding as there is absoutly Zero need for this hostility.
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Khaerie
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Posted - 2005.06.29 16:20:00 -
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Originally by: Centuria
Originally by: Khaerie
Most of the problems created are from exactly what is going on now. Everyone is running to state their concerns on the board rather then speak directly to anyone.
Since this is indeed on the forum, would it be too much to ask for the public to learn
what is going on with Stain Empire these days?
Talking on forums leads to three things. Flamefest, distortion of facts and fights. I'm not feeding the flamebeast and there are enough people looking to start fights over silly things.
Feel free to contact me in game after I'm home from work. Should be there in about 7 hours. Sorry about the length of wait but it is not even Noon yet in my area and I shouldn't even be online.
2nd in Command for Stain Empire Foreign Affairs
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C Diaz
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Posted - 2005.06.29 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: Khaerie
Most of the problems created are from exactly what is going on now. Everyone is running to state their concerns on the board rather then speak directly to anyone.
I believe you forgot to speak directly to anyone which lead to these forum posts 
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Waywatcher
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Posted - 2005.06.29 16:42:00 -
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Right, we have joined stain and since then we have not fired on any neutrals in the area. There was an incedent when one of our members logged on after being away from the game and killed two ships in kheram which both got in contact with myself and were sorted. Huzzah pilots along with CVA and Aegis Militia fired upon myself in misaba and destroyed my scorpion along with huzzah pilots closing passage through R3 from our corp...... there has been no contact form CVA leaders to myself except forum posts to gain sympathy. I was told by CVA leaders that priory were -10 to CVA and always would be, which is fine because CVA will always be -10 towards us. CVA also prevented aid from coalition corporations from reaching FAT by restricting access to R3, now this doesnt sound to me like history of friendship. |
Saladin
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Posted - 2005.06.29 17:33:00 -
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I am shocked and suprised that someone who has been in the game as long as Hardin is still clinging to the "pirate" label. This label has long since been overused, and has come to refer to people who fire on you, regardless of their motivation and politics. Perhaps Hardin is using "pirate" terminology to illicit the sympathy of EvE population.
Right everyone needs to realize that you cannot deal with alliances on the basis of individual morality. Alliances have their own reasons, which are reasons of state. In the case of SE, it is clear that, as a member of a wide Network Of NAPs [NONAP corps], is very bored and has seen CVA as a ripe fruit ready to feed to its angry legions of lions.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2005.06.29 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: TRIGGER
As always PIE are brothers .
Please contact CUJO who will rectify this situation immediately .
I would have expected the thread to kind of end after this.
Why has it not ?
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Garreck
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Posted - 2005.06.29 17:49:00 -
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Gotta ask, Saladin...if "pirate" is an over-used term, then what is the chic way of referring to one who attempts to destroy any and every vessel under his guns for the purposes of collecting something valuable in his hold or weapons that may drop?
Understanding that this is an ooc forum, I gotta make it plain that I've got no problem with people who play as pirates. Makes my job more fun, since I like to fight pirates. But call piracey what it is, folks.
That said...it would seem Stain has seen fit to bring priory into their midst. Perhaps the intent of Hardin's questioning is to discover whether a) The Priory have decided to change their ways, or b) Stain has turned their back on previous good relations with the CVA.
Actions on Priory's part since joining Stain have certainly raised some eyebrows.
This probably is better discussed in private channels, as people from both sides are likely to come here hurling insult and accusation, but it's wise for Hardin to bring this up in a public setting so that everybody can be aware of the confusion that's taking place in lower Domain/Providence. Maybe if everyone is aware of how delicate the situation is, cooler heads can prevail when "misunderstandings" occur.
Garreck
Aeternus Crusade
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Cujo
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Posted - 2005.06.29 17:52:00 -
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Originally by: Elve Sorrow
Edited by: Elve Sorrow on 29/06/2005 13:57:40
With all due respect Hardin, the way to solve this without a flamefest would've been a convo with a Stain Diplomat i think.
This will be infested by alts and smacktalkers sooner or later.
I have to agree with Elve Sorrow on this one. This is certainly not the way or place to try to resolve this matter. I'd also like to ask all Stain members not to reply to this thread as we all know where it will lead. If Hardin would truly like to see this matter resolved I'd suggest he contact Boofer or myself to try and work out the grievances that currently exist between us.
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Hardin
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Posted - 2005.06.29 18:02:00 -
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I will do that...
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Babs Johnson
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Posted - 2005.06.29 18:11:00 -
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Originally by: Garreck
Gotta ask, Saladin...if "pirate" is an over-used term, then what is the chic way of referring to one who attempts to destroy any and every vessel under his guns for the purposes of collecting something valuable in his hold or weapons that may drop?
Or pad his corp's killboard?
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Admiral IceBlock
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Posted - 2005.06.29 18:12:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine
Originally by: TRIGGER
As always PIE are brothers .
Please contact CUJO who will rectify this situation immediately .
I would have expected the thread to kind of end after this.
Why has it not ?
why would it end?
"We brake for nobody"
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Berneh
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Posted - 2005.06.29 18:47:00 -
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Originally by: Burzon
First consstructive and objective post in ages. I hope you get what you want Hardin.
This forum needs more posts like Hardin¦s.
Burzon
Sounds like a man on the run to me tbh.
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Hardin
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Posted - 2005.06.29 19:58:00 -
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Nope. If we are -10 to Stain and it stay -10 then we will live with it as we always have when faced with adversity.
What I want basically is an explanation of why we have been moved to -10 for no apparent reason.
If Stain come out and say 'Stuff the history - we couldn't care less for CVA anymore' then that is fine. At least we will know where we stand.
ATM I am getting mixed messages from inside Stain and that makes it confusing about whether this -10 is the action of a few individuals or something everyone agreed on.
Cujo is looking into it and told me that he is consulting the leadership and will come back with an answer tomorrow. Fair enough! Kudos to him for talking to me!
In the meantime I have told CVA pilots to avoid ntanglements with Stain ships for 24hrs - after all we dont want stupid accidents if this all turns out to be some gigantic miscommunication.
If the Stain leadership do decide to stick with the -10 then at least we will all know where we stand and I wont have to deal with confusion on the Alliance channel about whether we should or should not be shooting at Stain pilots who were until now always considered to be our friends...
It will also tell us a lot about what the Stain Alliance has evolved into and its future direction...
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Cujo
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Posted - 2005.06.29 22:39:00 -
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As I've stated earlier. I don't think this is the way or place to settle the grievances that currently exist between us. But yet you continue to post and for some reason feel the need to keep the Eve universe updated with matters that does not concern them. We don't need the approval of the forums to base our decisions from. We all know what posting in these forums brings and I personally don't feel that I need to justify to all of eve or make negations public.
I told you we would have a meeting tomorrow to discuss this matter, that was not good enough. So since you choose to make it public I will say this. Trust is earned... Its not given away. At this point I don't trust you to negotiate in good faith because it seems you need the support and approval of the universe. So as of now, Stain will set you as neutral. And to make it clear, we shoot neutrals in hostile or home space because of hostilities currently going on. We are not sending any fleets or anything like that but we'll use this as a trial period to see if there is a way to proceed without the need of the public forums.
You will not see me make another post unless its an official Stain announcement or if I have a co-processor 2 to sell.
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Sceartan
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Posted - 2005.06.29 23:21:00 -
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Originally by: Cujo
Trust is earned... Its not given away. At this point I don't trust you to negotiate in good faith because it seems you need the support and approval of the universe. So as of now, Stain will set you as neutral.
Such a shame to see one of Stain's greatest allies set to neutral 
/me loves PIE
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Nick Curso
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Posted - 2005.06.30 00:37:00 -
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A shame indeed but times change i guess i hope this will be resolved peacefully.
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Saladin
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Posted - 2005.06.30 01:08:00 -
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Originally by: Babs Johnson
Originally by: Garreck
Gotta ask, Saladin...if "pirate" is an over-used term, then what is the chic way of referring to one who attempts to destroy any and every vessel under his guns for the purposes of collecting something valuable in his hold or weapons that may drop?
Or pad his corp's killboard?
So when a corporation engages in the practice of not firing on people with positive standings, and then firing on people with negative standings, this is piracy? Why is it then when entire alliances do it, its not piracy?
I am sensitive to the overuse of this term because Botox in its day did just that, left blue people alone and attacked red people. We got labelled pirates from day one. As for the money extortion, I don't see how that was different from other corporations charging a refining tax, while leaving their client corporations to take the brunt of assaults by enemies?
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Masta Killa
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Posted - 2005.06.30 01:19:00 -
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Originally by: Saladin
Originally by: Babs Johnson
Originally by: Garreck
Gotta ask, Saladin...if "pirate" is an over-used term, then what is the chic way of referring to one who attempts to destroy any and every vessel under his guns for the purposes of collecting something valuable in his hold or weapons that may drop?
Or pad his corp's killboard?
So when a corporation engages in the practice of not firing on people with positive standings, and then firing on people with negative standings, this is piracy? Why is it then when entire alliances do it, its not piracy?
I am sensitive to the overuse of this term because Botox in its day did just that, left blue people alone and attacked red people. We got labelled pirates from day one. As for the money extortion, I don't see how that was different from other corporations charging a refining tax, while leaving their client corporations to take the brunt of assaults by enemies?
And stealing a kid's lunchmoney isn't really "stealing", it's just transfering his money into your posession by the use of force.
You know that there's a ridiculously fine line between piracy and "regular" fighting and that Botox Bandits were very much pirates ;Ě
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Saladin
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Posted - 2005.06.30 01:23:00 -
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Its a shame Masta that you see the post as an oppurtunity for rivalry. I have in the past defended many corporations being labelled as pirates, including ones I fought like the Shinra and even yours.
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0ren Ishii
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Posted - 2005.06.30 01:56:00 -
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Apart of the political question here.
'Piracy' is just a term in my opinion.Shooting/killing neutrals is act of aggression some consider to be illegal,such actions pop in my head as 'piracy',maybe its just a habit.Call it however you want it.In CVA space it is against our law,we try to provide safe grounds for friendlies and neutrals.
If a random alliance claims a territory and shoot anyone who comes around,that would be to protect its grounds.
If a random alliance/corp member goes to neutral 0.0 or 0.1-0.4 space and start shooting random people,imo,thats the so called piracy and it can evolve in bad standings and official war.
Correct me if i'm wrong.Keep that question polite.Thank you.
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Band Zior
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Posted - 2005.06.30 02:31:00 -
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I think it is pretty obvious what's going on.
Some old school stain corps should be afraid...very afraid
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shivan
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Posted - 2005.06.30 03:10:00 -
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Originally by: Cujo
You will not see me make another post unless its an official Stain announcement or if I have a co-processor 2 to sell.
When did we get a co-pro II bpo
Meh, im all confuzzled now 
What was the point of this topic?
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Band Zior
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Posted - 2005.06.30 03:46:00 -
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Of course you're confused. But of course. Nobody knows anything...
Sheessh...
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Saucerhead
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Posted - 2005.06.30 06:19:00 -
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Please stay on topic.
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EVE GODDESS
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Posted - 2005.06.30 07:25:00 -
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Cujo will destroy your Alliance 
It came to me in a vision 
Watch your back stainers, you have been warned.
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.06.30 08:27:00 -
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Originally by: Cujo
I told you we would have a meeting tomorrow to discuss this matter, that was not good enough. So since you choose to make it public I will say this. Trust is earned... Its not given away.
Seems to me that CVA earned your trust way before, when they helped clear and keep clear the Providence corridor 
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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Heikki
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Posted - 2005.06.30 08:39:00 -
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Originally by: Cujo
As I've stated earlier. I don't think this is the way or place to settle the grievances that currently exist between us ..[snip].. We don't need the approval of the forums to base our decisions from.
Actually I think it is good idea to solve some matters on public forums; we greatly do need stuff like this.
Exactly for same reason we see those news arcticles; to give this world feeling of living place. To absord more people into in-game relations, and perhaps even tempt new fodd^H^H^H^H players.
Personally I prefer these peeks in the alliance struggles to be in form of constructive and well formed posts like in this thread, rather than from flamebaiting alts, or official statements with newspeak.
What we might need is selective reading/replying; a skill to ignore useless alt drivel, and focus on constructive posts. Or perhaps /. style moderation. However, don't think it is good idea to refuse write anything sensible in fear of bunch of flames among a few pearly posts.
-Lasse
topically drifting
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EVE GODDESS
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Posted - 2005.06.30 08:43:00 -
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Cujo will destroy Stain
I have seen it in the stars
He cannot be trusted.
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EVE GODDESS
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Posted - 2005.06.30 08:44:00 -
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Cujo will destroy Stain
I have seen it in the stars
He cannot be trusted.
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Ackath
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Posted - 2005.06.30 09:00:00 -
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Even I love PIE :)
Cujo and Hardin for 1on1 whover wins gets to buy the beer
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Sceartan
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Posted - 2005.06.30 09:12:00 -
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Originally by: Ackath
Even I love PIE :)
Cujo and Hardin for 1on1 whover wins gets to buy the beer
Pft, silly Minnie.. hope you saved up enough money to feed Hardin pints!
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Ackath
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Posted - 2005.06.30 09:31:00 -
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Originally by: Sceartan
Pft, silly Minnie.. hope you saved up enough money to feed Hardin pints!
come on...we all know you amarrians are fluffy on the inside and cry to happy endings :) thats why we love you :)
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Hans Roaming
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Posted - 2005.06.30 10:00:00 -
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Edited by: Hans Roaming on 30/06/2005 10:00:19
Originally by: Cujo
So since you choose to make it public I will say this. Trust is earned... Its not given away. At this point I don't trust you to negotiate in good faith because it seems you need the support and approval of the universe. So as of now, Stain will set you as neutral. And to make it clear, we shoot neutrals in hostile or home space because of hostilities currently going on. We are not sending any fleets or anything like that but we'll use this as a trial period to see if there is a way to proceed without the need of the public forums.
Last night (whilst under the rules of engagement outlined above) a small Stain Empire fleet (Priory) engaged without provocation and destroyed a Huzzah Raven in R3 (located in CVA space). This fleet also later engaged CVA members as well as a member from a neutral corp (Starflight Corp, very recently ex Stain). Could someone please explain to me how these actions by Stain Empire relate to the above issued statement?
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MadGaz
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Posted - 2005.06.30 10:05:00 -
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Originally by: Hans Roaming
Edited by: Hans Roaming on 30/06/2005 10:00:19
Last night (whilst under the rules of engagement outlined above) a small Stain Empire fleet (Priory) engaged without provocation and destroyed a Huzzah Raven in R3 (located in CVA space). This fleet also later engaged CVA members as well as a member from a neutral corp (Starflight Corp, very recently ex Stain). Could someone please explain to me how these actions by Stain Empire relate to the above issued statement?
Harrrrrrr!
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Seleene
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Posted - 2005.06.30 10:21:00 -
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Originally by: Cujo
Trust is earned... Its not given away.
Stain and PIE were friends long before the actual Stain IGA existed or Species 5618 was a member. Did your corp even exist back then? My first corp in EVE was Everlasting Vendetta and PIE were known to be friends even back in those days. I think it's odd to say the least as to why this would change. Bah.
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Arud
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Posted - 2005.06.30 10:32:00 -
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sad to see one of the longest friendships in eve go down like this, hope things can still be fixed
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Tharrn
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Posted - 2005.06.30 10:34:00 -
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Stain is dead, long live Stain?
(as in 'the king is dead, long live the king' - same name, totally different thing)
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Hakera
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Posted - 2005.06.30 11:19:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene
Originally by: Cujo
Trust is earned... Its not given away.
Stain and PIE were friends long before the actual Stain IGA existed or Species 5618 was a member. Did your corp even exist back then?
Species 5618
Member of Stain Empire since 2005.06.22
There arnt many of the founders left i see now.
As a pure outsider I would say SE are actively recruiting pvp'ers which include Priory and are willing to comprimise on their members activities in exchange for an army. Priory are well known even to us as pirates in Providence. Thier past cannot simply be erased by becoming members of an alliance, clean slates dont always work with many people and perhaps not so with the CVA who may or may not be able to forgive past transgressions in return for a promise to not pirate again.
I guess the stain of today is not the stain of yesterday. Old bonds may not be so fondly remembered or valued now.
Still an interesting question, which do I more hate a pirate or a slaver...
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Tuijabird
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Posted - 2005.06.30 11:26:00 -
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Stain stab someone in the back or attack what was once a napped alliance or corp?Never heard of that.
I think in the last 6 months you can see many many cases of the them doing stupid crap to neutral or napped people.
Until the the heat got brought down on them, mass n comp. ran off scared and then get heat and run back, then they had to accept other priate corps due to the lack of any real "muscle"...If it wasn't for bob n a few others napped with them they would of been dead..
Now they set a very very very long time friend to neutral... i wouldn't be to comfortable around them if i was u Pie...shyt no one should be or feel safe around them if they r out numbered..
T.B.
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Armetheus
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Posted - 2005.06.30 11:58:00 -
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I believe the thread has ran it's course - it has served as a stepping stone to, from what I can see here, some communication between the alliances in question.
The rest is just anger directed at one group or another, so as a result *click*
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